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I went and checked the Soros thing. http://www.snopes.com/george-soros-controls-smartmatic-voting-machines-in-16-states/ Geddit? About the only credit I'd give you now is if you went down this route to provoke me into insulting you to get me banned. So I'll be clear in insulting you here: go and ask Obsidian to send you on a professional development course in undoing binary thinking styles (that way when people like me show you some courtesy and humour as I have in the past, you don't just ignore them), and when everyone else in the room is bantering with each other and having polite debate's (kinda the way people do on this forum, even when they're poles apart politically) and your the only one with a crash helmet on your head, being asked to walk from one side of the room to the other - think about that impact on you face as the days and weeks go by, and try to relate it to your foot, the garden rake, and your mouth. Chippy these forums are different to other forums you may have frequented Moderators are allowed and encouraged to share their opinions and often get into debates and this has nothing to do with Obsidian rules. Its a good thing, the Mods here dont insult people and saying something like " people who support Brexit are racist " is not an uncommon view, many people have this misunderstanding So in other words just because a Mod gets into a debate and has an opinion that doesnt mean they automatically right or there view is credible but it also doesn't mean we dont debate with them in a normal way or they have some agenda to get people banned Its not like that, I hope this makes sense

Immediately rejected, its Wikileaks Again I will repeat this point because some of you guys keep using Wikileaks as a credible and or authoritative source of information Wikileaks is like a group of people gossiping, similar to Reddit..its hearsay. It should not be used a foundation of valid information. If there is no way to verify or proof check something from Wikileaks why would you concern yourself ? Anything released from Wikileaks that cant be corroborated from another source I cannot in good conscience read and or consider

Had another excellent dinner evening with Bronwynn, she is very fit and is doing a 5 km fun run tomorrow. Its good she is into fitness because that will help motivate me around my own cardio training

Listen, I don't know if you're playing dumb or legitimately so, but do not joke about such a thing with someone who mentions they're depressed. I'm not someone that would act on that (at least I don't think), but plenty would. If someone were to kill themselves because you or someone else made a comment like that? That's negligence at it's absolute worst, so I don't care how seriously you take someone when they talk about depression or suicide, do not make remarks like that. If you can't say anything else, don't say anything period. Why shouldn't he joke about it ? Does Malc have such impact on your life that if he says " you must kill yourself " then you may do it? Is he that influential in your decisions ? Really ? People have been telling me to kill myself since 2001, its just words and it should be irrelevant. Toughen up son, its the Internet " and the whole Internet is a stage and all people mere actors "

Let's break this dumb list down... Ok, so there are three examples here. They aren't clear which party the dead people voted for. Ok, this has more potential. Although it sounds like whoever was behind this fraud messed up by not letting the fraudulent voters know what there job was. How many of them successfully lobbied a democratic vote? 700 people cast two ballots! That's terrible. Who did they vote for? Who organized this? I'm going to stop there, but Pennsylvania actually come up two more times, so it is clear that they've got issues. But are they rigging it for one side? I mean, sure, you could assume allowing illegals to vote is clearly an attempt to get more Democrat votes. Except no one seems to have let those illegals know what their role is in this. It is also pretty clear that the registration is tied to driver's licenses, which is more of an example of dumb bureaucratic paperwork practices than actual fraud. So basically all of these examples don't clearly favor one party, they seem highly disorganized, and in a nation of 300 million, they are still a drop in the bucket. I'm going to go with stupidity over fraud. I didn't say that Hillary is rigging the elections, that link was for Bruce who doesn't think theirs ANY going on. No I never said there was no rigging, in a country the size of the USA that has such a complex political system it would be impossible there was no attempts to manipulate some voting results in some parts of the election I said the elections aren't rigged, meaning the final result is not due to cheating and or rigging as the real rigging that occurs will have a negligible impact to the final results

....this sounds like something I might say

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...the Democrats are going to rig the election....waaaaaaaaaaaaaa Stop whining LK, the election isn't rigged. Its a very tight race based on two very different ideological views of what " makes America great " Its almost impossible to predict who will win, well I wouldnt try in this current climate. But the result will be the fair result. Either Trump or Clinton will be legally elected , you must learn to accept this Bruce I'm having an awful day so how about you take your ignorant bias stance and shove it up your ass so no one has to sit through and deal with another episode where we spend two pages highlighting how outrageously stupid and bias you are again? LK you seem like you in a bad mood? What happened ...do tell

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...the Democrats are going to rig the election....waaaaaaaaaaaaaa Stop whining LK, the election isn't rigged. Its a very tight race based on two very different ideological views of what " makes America great " Its almost impossible to predict who will win, well I wouldnt try in this current climate. But the result will be the fair result. Either Trump or Clinton will be legally elected , you must learn to accept this

Because you make this argument (I think) that a logical person sees Alex Jones talking about human>animal splicing by reptillian overlords as just as ridiculous as CNN making an excuse for Hillary Clinton not knowing that 'C' meant classified. That we should see the facts of Alex Jones reporting that the president of Haiti accuses the Clinton foundation of attempting to bribe him, and defrauding the people of Haiti as just as valid as CNN reporting on the 'hot mic'of Trump saying he can grab a woman by the _____ So you make the case that people have lost the ability to present and acknowledge facts, that views are discredited that don't align with a persons narrative, that facts should be based on profession/life experience. Then you pivot, and say that Hillary Clinton (is perfectly suited for the role) or just as bad as other presidents, and on her worse day/scandal is leagues above Trump???. Do you work for the FBI? Have a way of sifting the facts that support that opinion from those that don't? The real wikileaks and emails that haven't been planted by the Russians?. You seem to be so far to the left, that it doesn't occur to you that people may not see Trump as worse than any other candidate in lifetimes of voting - in fact, take that opinion to any migrants that have come to America from Haiti to vote and see what they think of it. Let me just set the record straight....again for the umpteenth time around my view of Hillary Clinton There are only 2 choices for US president. It becomes a subjective debate about who is better and who is worse IMO and the view of many economists, world leaders and political commentators Hillary Clinton is the better choice for president. I agree and support this view. No this does not mean people who support her think she is perfect or that she doesn't have a degree of controversy around her. It is highly unlikely there is any politician in this world who someone doesn't have an issue with or is the target of legitimate criticism But again the issues people have with Hillary Clinton compared to what Trump says, thinks or his constant demagoguery are not in the same league. So in summary Trump is a much worse candidate for the US presidency Finally why would I take anything Wikileaks says when its clear they have an agenda to undermine the spirit of the US elections by their selective release of emails that ONLY seek to undermine the Democrats and therefore make some people constantly question the legitimacy of the overall election process. Just for the record how many emails have been released by Wikileaks that undermine Trump and or the Republican political campaign? Does this not seem strange to you or are you happy to support a movement that only targets one side. And yes Russian hackers are absolutely involved in these attacks on the US election I hope that clears up any misunderstandings you may have about my support for the Democrats Plus I think the suppression of free speech, property rights, privacy, and big government hubris all enforced at gunpoint appeals to you. Well, the Democrats are definitely your team there. GD it hurts my feelings when you say nasty things There is a role and function for big government. It just mustn't be gratuitous or too intrusive so that it leads to a dictatorship

Vice president takes over, no crisis

But the theme is Western? You can't really expect that to change can you, for me the whole Western theme is just an aspect of the narrative....the real excitement are the other plot developments like ... " what is the Maze" " how influential is Arnold " " how much consciousness and sentience do the clones\robots have in RL " ...I'm sure we all watched the last episode and the awakening at the end, very exciting

Because you make this argument (I think) that a logical person sees Alex Jones talking about human>animal splicing by reptillian overlords as just as ridiculous as CNN making an excuse for Hillary Clinton not knowing that 'C' meant classified. That we should see the facts of Alex Jones reporting that the president of Haiti accuses the Clinton foundation of attempting to bribe him, and defrauding the people of Haiti as just as valid as CNN reporting on the 'hot mic'of Trump saying he can grab a woman by the _____ So you make the case that people have lost the ability to present and acknowledge facts, that views are discredited that don't align with a persons narrative, that facts should be based on profession/life experience. Then you pivot, and say that Hillary Clinton (is perfectly suited for the role) or just as bad as other presidents, and on her worse day/scandal is leagues above Trump???. Do you work for the FBI? Have a way of sifting the facts that support that opinion from those that don't? The real wikileaks and emails that haven't been planted by the Russians?. You seem to be so far to the left, that it doesn't occur to you that people may not see Trump as worse than any other candidate in lifetimes of voting - in fact, take that opinion to any migrants that have come to America from Haiti to vote and see what they think of it. Let me just set the record straight....again for the umpteenth time around my view of Hillary Clinton There are only 2 choices for US president. It becomes a subjective debate about who is better and who is worse IMO and the view of many economists, world leaders and political commentators Hillary Clinton is the better choice for president. I agree and support this view. No this does not mean people who support her think she is perfect or that she doesn't have a degree of controversy around her. It is highly unlikely there is any politician in this world who someone doesn't have an issue with or is the target of legitimate criticism But again the issues people have with Hillary Clinton compared to what Trump says, thinks or his constant demagoguery are not in the same league. So in summary Trump is a much worse candidate for the US presidency Finally why would I take anything Wikileaks says when its clear they have an agenda to undermine the spirit of the US elections by their selective release of emails that ONLY seek to undermine the Democrats and therefore make some people constantly question the legitimacy of the overall election process. Just for the record how many emails have been released by Wikileaks that undermine Trump and or the Republican political campaign? Does this not seem strange to you or are you happy to support a movement that only targets one side. And yes Russian hackers are absolutely involved in these attacks on the US election I hope that clears up any misunderstandings you may have about my support for the Democrats

How did I shoot myself in the foot?

Well it's a whole cluster **** TBH. It's driving home to a lot of people that the media is not un-biased and depending on ur party is which news station to watch. It's also a election where 2 people are SOOO bad that people are voting to make sure the other one doesn't win, not that they actually think theirs is a good candidate. The ones who DO think theirs is an actual good candidate for the most part is being selective in what they hear and agree/disagree (aka meaning "it doesn't matter to me that such and such has done this bc the other has done so much worse!" or "what they doing isn't so bad or it's just lies even when it's there in their face"). This whole election has been dirty from both sides and each side doesn't wanna admit that theirs is dirty bc then they'd be "wrong" and not a "winner".Then people gonna realize that their votes don't actually count and that it's up to the electoral college who wins, not the voters. Also this is basically our national anthem when it's election time. Red...at least we can still get stoned That never lets us down

No I dont ignore any news story I disagree with...whatever gave you that idea ? I am the opposite, I only believe stories that can be proven or are irrefutably logical

Well if you've been reading my posts you know what I think. Trump is a political neophyte who does not have the temperament, character, the education, or the experience to be a political leader and should not be anywhere near a positions of real power. He seems to have no idea what the President actually does and can't do and has no core philosophy that motivates him and drives his actions. He is wholly ill suited to be President. Hillary Clinton is irredeemably dishonest and thoroughly corrupted. She embodies every negative quality of the cartoon caricature of a bad politician. She will say anything, stoop to any level, kill if needs be to obtain political power. And not to achieve any end in particular, just for it's own sake. She lies without even thinking and then denies ever doing it even when confronted about is. She is wholly ill suited to be President. One of these two will be the next President, God help us, and we will all be damaged by that. Not from them. We've had bad Presidents before. They seldom do lasting harm. But the level of nastiness in the electorate against the folks voting the other way seems worse now than ever before. And the worst part is it is not done in favor of a candidate most of the time but in opposition of the alternative. And neither of these two are worthy of the passion and acrimony this is ginning up. And that is the saddest part of all. GD lets say you had to define which candidate is worse in certain ways Dont you agree you would be more embarrassed as a US citizen under a Trump presidency? As you correctly say " He seems to have no idea what the President actually does" ?

Nothing, Clinton is one of the most qualified and experienced candidates to ever try to win the presidency She is very suitable

This is a very good post and offers some accurate insights, the paragraph below is particularly annoying when people keep repeating it An example in these very threads is the whole "Clinton has laughed at a rape victim" statement, which is easy to debunk, and has been debunked here, but that doesn't everyone and their mother of rolling out that utterly baseless statement again and again.

Nah, the media isnt so bad GD you just need to be selective in what you view and choose to believe, you can always verify stories and reporting perspectives ?

Its awesome, you wont be disappointed and its got brilliant actors like Ed Harris and Anthony Hopkins

Its excellent, I am loving it. It makes me think of those alternative realities where we are also not real and everything we think is real is in fact controlled Anything from HBO is normally good in my books

Links ? You consider it normal for a politician to believe and support something like a campaign around " gay conversion therapy " ?

wait what I meant emaciated, well spotted

Thanks for the kind words, I look back now and I have learnt so much about how you are suppose to help that type of addict. But end of the day a person needs to want to stop heroin and more importantly they need to be booked into a proper rehad ....not a house. And there stay must be mandatory You can blame the Nigerians, in SA the majority of Nigerians are involved in crime and most South Africans want them all deported because they blame them for all the crime But if you go to Nigeria, and we do a lot of work there, you will see they not criminals, they are a intelligent and proud nation but due to decades of government corruption some Nigerians leave NIgeria and commit crimes but they see the crime as business Anyway in SA what happened to Nicole is rare because very few Nigerians sell Herion because it has such a terrible outcome It does happen to be positive I suppose ?

Ah the British. Please don't make us kick your asses a third time. Its a terrible thought, your niece working in the sex industry. The reality is much worse than you can possibly imagine WARNING : Guys I started writing this and I realized I have never written all this down. I had to complete this but this story is not a positive story. Dont read this if you want to have a laugh One of my nieces ended up in the sex industry. Her name was Nicole and she was my favorite by far, she was 10 years younger than me but we got on so well. She was intelligent and kind and sweet and always had time to chat to me for hours . She had these distinctive blue eyes and cared for things that no one else seemed to care about. She always reminded me her older uncle " one day us girls will be truly equal in society...you never known there may even be a female as the leader of the free world " ...and the reality was 12 years ago this was inconceivable and I never considered it possible She experimented with drugs at the normal age 16-18 but it was all innocent, then when she finished school and went to Pretoria to go to Varsity she had a new boyfriend who was 7 years older and a tattoo artist and a real lowlife. She fell for him and he got her into heroine...none of us knew but her life came apart. 8 months later I tried to get her to stop the heroine and leave her scum of a boyfriend who she claimed " really loved her " But the addiction of heroin is inhuman and I had never encountered or understood what I was suppose to do to help her, she dropped out of varsity and even stole from her very wealthy parents to support her habit. Her boyfriend became a drug dealer working for a particular Nigerian syndicate. Her family basically cut her off and everyone avoided her....her mother did say " I will pray for her safety " ....like that helped I have never forgiven her family for how they reacted , I suppose its hard to address this kind of failure I never turned my back on her and tried ineffectively to help her but heroine controls you and it takes everything that resembles your humanity. It wasn't a few months before the inevitable happened, her boyfriend convinced to work for Nigerians as a street hooker ....of course he got free drugs. Over the next 6 months I must have received 10-12 late night phone calls and it was always the same ritual and outcome I would drive into JHB, into the slums where the NIgerians and other criminals lived and find her on some dirty corner crying.. She use to come back to my house and always promised to go to rehad and how this "time she would stop " and after 1-2 days her withdraw symptoms would become too much and she would leave my place, it was always a different excuse " let me see him one more time ". It may seem like I could have forced her to stay but its not like that, the third time I did try force her and physically restrain and she burst into tears and told me " men must never use violence against women " ....she left my house as usual I didnt hear from her for about 6 weeks but I had a friendship with her friend another young heroine addict who had no one caring for her but somehow respected what I was trying to do and told me she was now working in a strip club owned by the Nigerians But this wasnt your normal strip club. this was in the apartments and had no official address. No white person would ever know this place existed. Only the Nigerians, there guests and the girls worked there. It was dark and desolate, this awful techo playing with the odd Nigerian in some corner and maybe 6-8 girls all addicts walking around high on smack and having to service multiple customers. Heroine and HIV were rife They called her I remember and the one guy laughed when I told her I was looking for her, he thought I was a client. Anyway she came up to me, she looked emancipated and she was very thin. She had started spiking by now but yet she was strangely cogent Its weird I have never written this down before but I remember everything she said " Brucie : ) what you doing here " " I have come to take you home., lets go. It doesnt matter about what you have done ...lets go " " you silly billy. You want to take me home. I want to go back to the beach, I want to see Puff the Magic Dragon and hear the sea in the shells ( her family use to sometimes join us for Xmas at our beach cottages and she loved the song Puff. She use to sing it all the time...its ironic and relevant The last time she was at the cottage she was 17 and she was with her friend, neither of them knew the old story that if you place a sea shell against your ear it makes sound like the sea and waves, its just a trick of sound but it does sound like the sea. I told them convincingly it was the sea, Nicole knew I was joking but played along ...shame to this day I think her friend still believes it ) " Can you take me there ? My father wasnt ashamed of me, remember what he said to me " you girls can do anything you want with your lifes " " Dont worry about what your family think, you can get better. Everyone misses you " ( this was true as my family cared ) " oh Brucie, you silly billy. I cant go home, I can never go home ...this is my home now and I cant walk in the light again. I love you and I always will, you never gave up on me and its not your fault. Tell my family Im sorry I embarrassed them. But dont ever come back again, I dont want to see you again " She could see my devastation and utter frustration She smiled and the light returned to her blue eyes " dont be sad, one day a girl will be the leader of the free world ...and we will dance and sing " I left her and got into my car and drove home in a state of misery...this song was playing She OD three weeks later, everyone except her dad was at the funeral. Everyone was so sad yet no one had cared for her the last year, I was appalled by the hypocrisy and since then I dont go to funerals Thats the story, its not all bad because I made several changes to things going forward I have never forgotten that life of how some girls end up on heroin, most hookers dont do Heroin so dont think what I saw is the inevitable outcome for all hookers. I have helped several ladies through the years when relevant and I am always prepared to try to help. Some girls do really leave the sex industry but most women dont need people like me saving them I have learnt you can reason with most addicts on drugs like crystal, coke and even rocks but I walk away from heroin. I am not going to try to help someone who cant be helped, fortunately I have never had another person I loved get hooked on smack You need to get the family involved, it matters to the overall impact I blamed her boyfriend and he got his justice in the end He moved to Cape Town and worked with the Nigerians there until he was directly implicated in this mass murder https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/21/2 Several people were arrested eventually for this and he was sentanced to 25 years in Pollsmoor prison. This is the worst and hardest prison in SA and is dominated by the coloured gangs, not black but colored, but these gangs are hard core and sexual violence is normal so the thought he would be sodomised on a daily basis made me very happy, watch the videos to see life in pollsmore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrkcpEgsqhs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollsmoor_Prison