BruceVC

I have a good suggestion: Stop doing shady crap you want to keep secret so that wikileaks becomes pointless. So you happy that Wikileaks becomes the selective arbiter of personal and confidential emails, Diplomatic cables and anything else relevant to the USA that the rest of the world is not suppose to see? For me the real issue is the hacking and the external foreign powers trying to get involved in the US elections....surly this is much more of concern than the support members of the DNC had for Hilary Clinton?

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/techtank/posts/2016/07/25-what-does-us-know-russia-dnc-hack-hennessey?utm_campaign=Brookings+Brief&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=32073053&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--XxRZ5il5E44YA925pKUYZ-h9E4egvgjLeO4_UIQmQaSwI797Yq9EOo1y-rKesHys5ChwYYEzwg_8gPMvaqgFIoNMygQ&_hsmi=32073053 More information about Russian interference in the US election, the part below I find particularly interesting The leaked DNC emails have already cost Debbie Wasserman Schultz her chairmanship of the DNC. Julian Assange threatened in a June interview that the leaks would lead to Hillary Clinton’s arrest. There is certainly nothing close to that in this batch of emails, and there is reason to doubt the validity of Assange’s claim; he has wildly exaggerated about the content of leaks in the past and there are strategic reasons to lead major leaks with the most damaging information. But we are almost certain to see a number of leaks aimed at damaging Hillary Clinton over the coming weeks and months. This means, put simply, that actors outside the U.S. are using criminal means to influence the outcome of a U.S. election. That’s a problem. The question before us now is how to construct a response to mitigate damage to our democratic institutions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-would-be-trumps-banana-republic/2016/07/21/f652820a-4f57-11e6-a422-83ab49ed5e6a_story.html Here some interesting insights into the Republican Convention and Trumps general comments and views

Whats wrong with Donna Brazile? She has an illustrious and proud history of political service, she worked for the Al Gore campaign in 2000..she is very professional and will be an asset to the DNC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Brazile

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-campaign--and-some-cyber-experts--say-russia-is-behind-email-release/2016/07/24/5b5428e6-51a8-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_dnchack-315pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory Guys its appears Russia could be behind the release of DNC emails....if this is true then an important question needs to be asked to all Trump supporters and Americans " Why would Russia want Trump to win " ?

Yeah, they must be 'phobic to criticism' or it might just be you're a total ****. Yeah, it could be either reason but if I was betting man I would say its the latter

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/23/politics/who-is-tim-kaine-spanish-harmonica-catholic/index.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/23/tim-kaine-just-killed-it-in-his-first-speech-with-clinton.html Tim Kaine has been very impressive, very few people on this forum seem to be recognizing his selection as a positive decision for the Democrats . But I think it is, I didnt know much about Tim Kaine but what I now know I really like The Clinton\Kaine Democratic ticket is a good one for sure

Trump also doesn't believe in political correctness....maybe that's another reason you are supporting him But of course Islamic Extremism exists, it represents a small percentage of Muslims worldwide but its real and ISIS is responsible for many attacks against the West But our friends in Germany also dont want to associate every single terrorist attack automatically with Islamic Extremism as they dont want to promote Islamophobia and fear mongering unnecessarily. So I understand there caution

Hilary Clinton will win, this is obvious I will hold you to your commitment, I admire someone who is prepared to make himself look foolish based on an inevitable outcome

http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/election-2016/trump-s-campaign-calls-hillary-clinton-s-new-running-mate-corrupt-kaine The Trump campaign has gone to far.....again. They are calling Kaine corrupt, surly Kaine can sue Trump for deformation of character? Even with the liberal US laws around freedom of speech can a person in politics just say another person is corrupt without any evidence ? And if so why end there...why not just call a person a pedophile ..or a rapist. The point being if its okay just to make baseless accusations and say " person x is corrupt " why not just say anything else ?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html It appears the shooter was German Iranian so it doesn't look like it was ISIS inspired as ISIS is Sunni and Iran is Shia

We have Asian American members and they would be descendants of Chinese people, I can ask them?

All European police are definitely not better than all US cops, I have had personal experience with both and overall I think US cops are better trained and experienced as they face more criminal activity But of course there are EU countries with excellent police that could be better than many US police but not all US police Germany, France and UK probably fit this profile

Okay I see your point, yes of course we cant blame all crime on Apartheid because I imagine certain types of violent crime should naturally reduce as time goes on because these perpetrators would get older and I do believe the worst crime is committed by people who actually lived through Apartheid And theoretically as time goes on the whole Apartheid legacy should get less and less

Here is one crime statistic link, I am not sure if you think this a severe amount of crime as I'm not sure what you think would be normal http://businesstech.co.za/news/government/99648/2015-crime-stats-for-south-africa-everything-you-need-to-know/

Yes so Shady is right in his assessment Even some black children born out of Apartheid could suffer from the Apartheid legacy and be born in poverty. But I am not suggesting all black people born in poverty commit crime, its always a smalll percentage of people. But there is always a solution, you will definitely reduce many levels of crime by reducing poverty. So there a link between some crime in SA and poverty

Look I dont want to exaggerate but we do have an almost unnatural level of crime but acting out and trauma are relative words

But is that the intention ....to fix it Malc trust me, sometimes its best just to move on in life

I still think you need to move on....you wont like the answers

So to explain in more detail, the worst crimes and unbelievable violence in SA is committed by a small percentage of black people who dont understand the reality of the country and have literally lost any sense of moral compass or compunction When these guys are interviewed after being caught they almost in all cases have the same background and reality Uneducated, unemployed and a complete lack of human emotions. This is not normal and Apartheid absolutely created or contributed towards this type of lack of humanity Its not an excuse, this is the result of 50 years of trying to mentally rewire people Bruce, you're going to have to explain to me how a thing that ended a long time ago is affecting people that were born afterwards. Apartheid lasted 50 years, it only ended 27 years ago But for those 50 years the following terrible injustices were inflicted on black people, Apartheid was truly horrendous Orog, it wasnt just about separation of the races. It was a scientific experiment designed to rewire the psyche of black people. Another 15 years and they may have succeeded...the list is just some of the things the Apartheid system did The black family structure was stripped apart, fathers had to work hundreds of miles away in mines and the children were raised by grandparents or moms There was a state concerted effort to not educate black people or to educate them as little as possible, Hendrik Verwoerd said " There is no place for (the Bantu) in the European community above the level of certain forms of labour " The Apartheid state encouraged black men to believe they were superior to black women, this institution was called the Patriarchy https://siyandawrites.com/2012/08/19/patriarchy-is-the-parasite-that-african-culture-must-rid-itself-of-in-order-to-survive/ A very effective and brutal police force and a highly trained military ensured there was no real effective forceful resistance I can say with 100 % certainty that no one on this forum could be subjected to this type of mental and physical system and come out after 50 years normal and mentally stable ....you will have some form of mental ailment. We call this sickness the Apartheid Trauma So some black people who suffer from this will commit the most horrendous and violent acts and crimes yet as I said they cannot explain why they did it, they have this strange state of confusions about them all the time Its like they actually died during Apartheid and only a shell is left behind .......an automaton

The Young Turks are the more extreme moron Youtube version of MSNBC, Alex Jones is a crazy conspiracy theorist that runs kind of a Youtube Libertarian Fox News and somehow has way better production values than TYT. Basically TYT is everything thats wrong with the leftist media, and Alex Jones is everything thats wrong with right-wing media. I think best way to describe them is that they are something that you get when you take worst bunch of traditional leftist and right wing media and cut that final string of fact checking and substitute it with great amount of emotional bull****. Elerond I am glad he also annoys you ...and also he keeps telling people how rich and successful he is but he keeps doing it Its like he is some kind of child who constantly needs self-vindication

It was normal Trump demagoguery. I find much of what he says insincere, he had his normal crowds of clapping sycophants...most of those people would cheer and clap if Trump said " you people are all fools and I hate you " He is also trying really hard to mend the damage he has done with women in the USA so we have to listen to his daughter and other lady friends constantly sayings irritating things like " My Dad was the best dad and use to write me positive notes for school ....he was always so supportive of me and other women " Its theater for me and false , he has offended far to many women when it suited him and he will pay the price in the election ...his family cant save him and the sexist reputation he has

OK. What the hell is with police in USA? This is not the first time I read about police showing to a potential suicide and they straight up kill the guy. This is not how you help a suicidal person! They can't commit suicide if they're killed. Guys no need for outrage, the article clearly says " it was an accident " So lets move one about this one...accidents happen

Yep, and he effectively destroy Turkey right now. Westlings can't into strategic thinking. :lol: Well Bruce, he is currently the biggest pain in the ass for Europe... If EU will support him despite all of what is happening, then there will be even more anti EU sentiment rising, because this is direct pissing and ****ting in the face of the basic principles of democratic foundations of Europe... It also amuses me how are you defending the equality among people, but on other hand, we should just support Erdogan and his lackeys and overlook his purges, because Turkey is "important strategic partner" *mindblown* Okay lets unpack this because we clearly not looking at this Turkey importance in the same way Can you explain first, just summarize why you dont like Turkey and why they a pain for the EU? You have mentioned this before but I just want your latest opinion Do you really think, that after sacking 60000 civil servants around the country, because they have taught the children how real western democracy looks like, there is need to explain anymore? Also according some Turkish journalists, which are not yet gagged, the State of Emergency, which is currently in place, the biggest reason, is that these 60000 people would during normal days have pretty big chance according to Turkish law to get the jobs back in trials against the state. In the State of Emergency, Erdogan just can do issue decree and be gone with them. I would not be hesitant to say, that this State of Emergency will last much longer than 3 months, because Erdogan has now all the power, which he wanted as a president, but was unable to change the constitution... And Turkish importance my ass... Putin is big enemy of the West, and Erdogan is big friend... Where is the ****ing logic behind this, when Erdogan is much much worse than Putin ever was, especially to his own people... If you really think that a dictator like him, who has no problems with reinstating Death Penalty, so he can kill-off all of his opposition, is a good ally of EU or west, then there is absolutely no reason to discuss about it with you anymore. Because throwing away everything, what is sacred to the basic principles of Democracy, is the biggest reason why the EU project is losing more and more support among common folks... Mamie I like you and I appreciate the effort you put into your posts. I have learnt a lot from you about topics like Slovakia and your views on the EU. You are a sagacious and interesting person But if you want to debate with me please dont make points and then suggest if I dont agree with you on something then " you wont debate with me anymore " ....especially when you haven't heard what I may say. It comes across as irrational and contradicts the purpose of a debate which is the exchange of different views ...not telling the other person how they need to respond So now Turkey, I know some Turks who live in SA who are good fun and there are some good Turkish restaurants in SA but I dont really care about the social conditions of the Turkish people I dont really like Erdogan I cant get involved in moral outrage with how he is treating his citizens because as I mentioned I have no meaningful connection to Turkey and I dont want to have one. And to be honest Turkey doesnt care much about me either I care about the EU, UK and the citizens of the EU. I dont want the EU to be negatively impacted by instability in the ME So based on this view Turkey and Erdogan have strategic value, thats it ...its not emotional or personal.. Erdogan is using the EU on certain levels and the EU is using Erdogan, its a practical relationship I have to be honest I thought you said you never cared much for Turkey either but now you seem upset about how Erdogan is treating his citizens. Of course I respect your view but I dont share it. Erogan just needs to continue his business and military alliance with the West ...what he does domestically cant really be changed. I do believe in regime change but after Iraq and Libya and all the various complaints and criticism from people blaming the West for the failures of the new governments in those countries we only implement regime change when there is a credible and competent government that can manage the new political reality Erdogan may be disliked but he is inextricably linked to the stability of Turkey especially after the Coup so we need to work with him, he cannot be removed from power by the West even if it makes political sense like you suggesting So in summary Erdogan is not a real friend to the West but he is needed ....consider him a political acquaintance Putin is not an enemy of West, he has unintentionally created friction through his paranoia of the West and NATO and now he has over committed Russia on various military campaigns but Russia's economy has been neglected and is in a recession Putin and Russia have much greater long term importance than Turkey but Putin needs to fix the Russian economy before he embarks on more plans of hegemony. This is a journey only Russia can go on, the West cant help here either unless he pulls out of Ukraine

I just finished watching Wolf Hall, its a very good 6 part historical series ....its grows on you so dont get put off after the first 30 minutes