Orogun01

Good to know that the guys who did logistics for GI Joe found job after the show tanked.

Crackpot theories about Cerberus intentions....this is starting to become BioBoard thread. Best reasoning; and in all likelihood the main cause, for Cerberus chasing Shepard is: the Reapers are too big to have a shootout with, they need some smaller enemy to fill the game before the grand finale. Collectors are all done for, BW decides ok let's make it Cerberus, because sentient life its stupid enough to fight each other in the face of complete annihilation, no matter if is someone that created the biggest Pro-Human group ever.

There are plays where the audience plays a large role in how it develops, are they not art? There are art installations that require interaction and make the user(s) the center around which the piece revolves, are they not art? http://www.mam.org/act/index.htm Whilst they do require interaction, it's their beauty which it's being observed. Nobody cares about how good the participants are, they care about how beautiful it's the effect that they create. Games do not follow the same measure, they follow performance based on score rather than beauty. I feel like a broken record here.

Without interference from the audience, games on the other hand require that interference. They don't make you a spectator, they make you the center around which the whole story revolves. I wasn't referring to multiplayer gaming only, achievements, in-game scores, percents of completion. Games are measured on proficiency, they require you to have a certain amount of skill in order to progress. But this skill its measured by score and not artistic/aesthetic value. No need to get offensive, I thought I gave enough reason when I stated that games are judged on performance and not aesthetics and the fact that they are interactive. Just because people see modern art being devaluated doesn't mean that the door its open for every pretty new thing to become an art. Playing games its not an art and playing its required in order to experience them. Only one of those games from this year, this should tell you how artistic the medium really is. Even so when you look at it the most permanent games, the ones that had an impact on the industry are all because of technological reasons and not artistic ones. This brings us to another point: permanence, Mozart is as great now as he was on his time. New generations find Mozart and realize his talent. PS:T its hardly revised by new generations, now most of the classics stand a chance at survival thanks to GOG. But despite being available the game won't reach many people due to the fact that we are technology obsessed. In a few generations a lot of these games, even the current ones will be obsolete and with no impact other than whatever engine was used to create it. Crap sells so more crap its made, that's the famous invisible hand. I like art, so I will support an artist that only I enjoy because only I perceive his genius; that's Theo Van Gogh. That's taking a chance on the artistic merits of someone despite the fact that there won't be any financial reward. The game industry it's profit driven, and the sad part is that game developers need the industry. Just because a lot of artistic mediums are involved in the making of games doesn't make them art. Look at illustration or comics, games are very close to comics in regards to public opinion.

God I hope not, Obsidian has taken their first 2 step out of BW shadow. This will only drag them back in, nice selling point though

Plays,music, movies, they all unfold before the audience. Games are the only medium which requires active participation from the spectator, they are also not judged in term of aesthetics but on performance. Games are closer to being a sport; since there already are championships, than an art. There may be lower forms of art or higher, the point it's that they all are part of a medium that it's art. Games; no matter how evocative, are not an artistic medium. Something that I agree on, I would like to see it happen without it necessitating to be art regardless. The fact it's that what its holding the industry back is 2 things; first there isn't a model for writing for games. Most writers come from a different medium and fail to account the fact that games are interactive, simply putting dialog and creating a setting it's not enough. There it's a very pervasive element to dialog when you want actions and get info dumping instead. The second one would be the immaturity of the audience and the lack of supportive publishers. I see this as the same problem because it has the same result, the M ratings are for boob obsessed teenagers and has nothing to do with actual maturity. The mandatory romantic interest, the same twists, plots and settings. The publishers treat games as a business because that's their business, and they are going to keep pushing crap because crap it's what sells. This it's the #1 reason that games are not art, because everyone making that claim will go out and buy a bunch of blockbuster crap and never ask for more artistic games. They all take art at face value, and it's becoming a ****ing buzz word.

I'll also would like to see Obsidian tackle other IPs, SQ bought off a ton they are going to be making splashes on the western market.

Ok let's put it this way, the number one reason that videos aren't art it's because they are competitive and their measure it's not based in aesthetics. Making games may have artistry, all of the artistic pipeline of making the characters and the environments. Playing games has no art whatsoever to it, therefore games are not art because they are interactive.

I always though of PTSD as a failure to adapt to society after a dangerous event. The same defense mechanisms that would protect you in that situation are hindering your ability to function in a different environment.

Maybe they'll skip several arches into the future and kill Johnny Storm. Can't be worse than what Bryan Singer did to the X men.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I suppose that this it's good news for anyone trying to make it in the game industry, but the price it's too high. Now every self absorbed **** that can program will be calling themselves an artist. Will the NEA ever stop devaluating that term?

Interesting theory, but subtle verbal recall errors isn't really proof.

You don't see those 2 groups do a lot of stuff together, maybe they won't have to. Plus it wouldn't be the first time and actor had double roles on a film.

No. It's heavily implied that she's a (former) Warden. Given what he says, the fact that she's a Warden, and the fact that we see another ghoulish character pledge to join him, the implications become somewhat obvious. Even without all those things... it's a ghoul hanging out with a Darkspawn. Seems somewhat normal. Correction it's two girl ghouls hanging out with a Darkspawn. The architect be pimpin' it on the tunnels, respect.

Bigger as in a bigger hit (under rated?), more gameplay/things to do or bigger environments? I was interested in the game but I never got around to it. I mean that it's a bit underated. The concept it's truly attractive; a Diablo clone with FPS mechanics, it's just one of those things that make sad that people are so obsessed with top notch performance that they can't look past it into the finer points of games. The good news it's that it will be making a comeback....in Korea

Why wouldn't it make sense?

Ah yes, the famed euthanasia coaster. Also known as "life"

I'm currently replaying Hellgate:London with some mods installed. Really, this game should had been bigger that it was.

this x1000 do not put main plot stuff in side content. it is a BAD idea. almost always. But then how would they get you to buy their DLC/spin offs?

I'll be sure you get nominated to an Oscar for that.

Yes, but you weren't informed of them. Now stop fishing for comments.

Isn't those temperatures like summer to them?

Tig, this it's the entitlement age. Some gamers have the emotional maturity of a 7 years old that thinks that they are entitled to stuff. No matter how minimal the changes are, there it's going to be an outcry from them. That said I did get an European version of the original Witcher, just because of the censorship.

Moral relativism doesn't really apply to this case, we are fighting Jihadists. These men believe with all of their hatred that we are the enemy, they go to superhuman lengths to cause harm, all because of their extremists views. There is no reconcile here, we are may or may not be the good guys. But we sure are the sane ones.

The clothes or the food?