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How is that relevant? Is baiting only prohibited on national holidays? Also we've established Cinqo de Mayo is not a national holiday, though it may be a nationalist holiday for some people. And you'd be sued for violating their first amendment rights. Also there was no disturbance, and even if there were, it's the people who are causing the disturbance that need to be punished. There are plenty of schools with bans on clothing with political statements. Sorry, bud. And he didn't even say he'd force them to remove the clothing - he simply said he'd inform them that it's not entirely appropriate. How, exactly, is that violating first amendment rights? And, even if we were to forget all that, you have to realize that this wasn't a group of people wearing flags for the purpose of showing their national pride, it was an organized attempt to bait a response. There's a big difference. No, the kids should not have been forced to remove the clothing, and no, it would not technically be their fault if a disruption were to occur, but what they were doing was still obnoxious and irresponsible. There's not getting around that.

I'd send them home for having an awful taste in music.

Why do I get the feeling I'm going to go freelancer first playthrough.... I lol'd irl at that backstory, but I think I'll be going field agent for my first playthrough, which will be professional/aggressive, focusing on (unsilenced, silencers are for wusses) pistols and martial arts with a bit of stealth. Second playthrough will be suave/aggressive freelancer focusing on SMGs and shotgun.

Still not convinced. Going without food for two weeks, sure, I could see someone conditioning their bodies to handle that. Without water? No.

I don't speak German either, but the graphics look fine.

We already established that the assaulters would be at fault, not the assaultees. That doesn't change the fact that the action of provoking the assault was obnoxious.

I don't think anyone can reasonably doubt that it was an intentional attempt to bait a response.

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh. Do you actually read what I post, or do you just enjoy ranting?

Because it's your obligation as a human being to be nice to other people. I seriously doubt they "hate America," I think it's much more likely that they're just naive and haven't really thought about how ridiculous their reaction is. These aren't people who bear you ill will, regardless of whether or not they react irrationally to something that shouldn't be offensive. It's not self-flagellation at all, it's what's expected of you if you want to be successful in any social interaction. You're oversimplifying the situation. Anyone who thinks that this is a serious danger to our country is deluded.

No it's not, there's a fundamental difference between a national flag and yellow polka-dots (unless the national flag happens to be yellow polka-dots of course). In the context of being decent to other people, not really. The people have an irrational dislike for the American flag in a certain context. Intentionally wearing it in that context for the purpose of irking them is being obnoxious. Anyone who doesn't see that needs to learn some social skills. Put your nationalistic pride aside, they don't "hate america" and aren't going to ruin your country.

And now we've gone in a circle.

That's a rather large logical jump there. Being unreasonably offended by the American flag on a certain day because you think it's disrespecting your culture is one thing. Hating America is something quite different. Did you seriously compare them to Nazis? Come on, you can't be serious. If a group of people at your school have an unreasonable hatred for red shirts with yellow polka-dots, and a group of kids all wear red shirts with yellow polka-dots on the same day for the purpose of annoying them, it's obnoxious, but shouldn't be punishable. This is essentially the same situation. I don't think you're in the position to judge what people "deserve to be offended."

Talk about seeing things in black at white... Trolling is obnoxious, even if the thing you're using to troll shouldn't be offensive; what they were doing was not some valiant stand against the degradation of our culture, nor was it civil disobedience. It was trolling. If you can't see that, I suppose you're hopeless. They're not people we should endear. There's nothing wrong with wearing an American flag in America, but there is something obnoxious about a group of kids planning to wear them on a day on which they know it will offend people, whether or not being offended is a reasonable response. That said, punishing them or forcing them to remove the clothes was a stupid thing to do, because the fault of being offended lies solely with the people who are offended by something that shouldn't be offensive. That doesn't make it any less obnoxious, however.

There's no "bashing" going on here. You're ranting against absolutely nothing.

Very blurry, and yeah, the commentary sucks. Still, voice acting seems fine, and it looks fun.

Then they could have asked for them to remove the bandannas without being unreasonable. However, as far as we know, there was no school-wide policy against wearing flags. They should not have been forced to remove their American flag shirts. And if there were a policy against flags, that would be ridiculous and would warrant discussion by itself. Yep, that's why I said the administrator messed up. Then we are in agreement.

Then they could have asked for them to remove the bandannas without being unreasonable. However, as far as we know, there was no school-wide policy against wearing flags. They should not have been forced to remove their American flag shirts. And if there were a policy against flags, that would be ridiculous and would warrant discussion by itself.

Is it full of spoilers?

You're taking the term "real" too literally. You know what he means.

I'm not defending their reactions (nor have I seen anyone in the thread say something that ridiculous), but these kids were not partaking in civil disobedience, they were trolling. It's an obnoxious thing to do, regardless of how unreasonable the people they are trolling are. If there were a known school policy against wearing American flags which they were flaunting, I might think differently, but that's simply not the case.

If this was their intent, then there is still the problem with the forum they have chosen for their political stand. Schools have to be very cautious when it comes to political messages. That's why I keep saying the administrator handled this terribly. Instead of opening a dialogue with the students about their intent and how it might be perceived by others, he tried to shame them. There are really three sides to this argument: - The 5 students side - The administrators side - The both sides are wrong side Or the "both sides are wrong but some are more wrong than others" side. In any reasonable school policy, there should have been no punishment for the kids wearing the flags. Those who are offended should suck it up and move on, because it's not a flagrantly offensive thing that they did, whether or not it was obnoxious. If I wear a "legalize gay marriage" shirt to school (which I probably wouldn't, as advertising political views on your clothing is retarded), should I be forced to remove it because conservatives find it offensive? The only reason for forcing them to remove the clothing would be if there was a school-wide policy banning flags on clothing (and not just on Cinco de Mayo), or if there was genuine danger of violence over the shirts (which itself would be ridiculous and reveal some shocking problems with the school).

I do hope you're trolling. Criminals exist in every society, and I highly doubt these murders are at all related to Western economics. Not that the earlier posts were reasonable, mind you.

Comparing the kids to Rosa Parks is ridiculous. They weren't trying to bring about a social revolution, they were most likely being typical teenagers. It was a rather obnoxious thing to do - even if people shouldn't have been offended, the response was predictable and baiting a response in that manner when there is very little to gain is not a commendable thing. I seriously doubt they had intended to be thrown out of school that day as a sacrifice to show that people are unreasonable. The world is not black and white, and there is a very large difference between civil disobedience and attempting to bait angry responses from unreasonable people.

To be honest, their intentions were probably to get some sort of response, or at least to make a point. It's kind of hard to deny that. The simple fact is that it really doesn't matter; their intentions are completely irrelevant, and the only thing that matters is the sad fact that an American citizen would, at any time, be offended by an American flag.

Well Mark Meer has an incredibly lifeless and bland voice acting from the little pieces I heard. The italian voice actor felt much better to me, and usually video game VA is crappy here. He was notably better in ME2, but he's still not particularly good.