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I'm not even going to enter into the adequacy or legitimacy of rules written in ancient religious texts. I'm just going to point out how this is another example of the defining trait of fundies - the belief that everyone must think as they do and abide by their rules, or in this case, the rules laid out by their holy book. If they were to become offended by me having some pork chops, would that make me a bigot? I have no problems with them not using Qur'an passages in music or whatever, but why should their religious rules apply to everyone, everywhere, for all time? Please. This whole double standard thing regarding fundie sensitivities really sickens me. People need to start growing some balls (sayeth the Internet Tough Guy from the safety of his basement).

Really, you need to give it up. Nobody cares about your personal grudge against MMOs. Did they steal your only friend? Boo hoo. Get a job, and you may see things in a different light.

I think you just defeated the point of having a closed scale. lol/10

I thought you loved Diablo 2. Owned!! It is. Diablo bosses you can kill on your own. MMO bosses often require a group of people working together to stand a chance even.

Lol. You know, as a reference... you know? Just like no game ever gets a 0/10. EDIT: ya, I'm starting to feel stupid now. 10/10

Heh, the same discussion popped up when some mag or other gave GTA a 10/10. You'd have to be a moron to give any importance to some arbitrary rating by somebody you don't know, anyway.

Yeah, but I'm betting they aren't going to focus their PR efforts on that. And of course there's always a chance for an outcry-triggered patch to enable it later, or even a community patch.

Just some random n00b here, nothing to see. Move along.

Hilarious. There are very few games that fit the description "repetitive grind" better than D2. It's basically a limited, scaled down MMO, only with an 8-player limit. only good. Fix'd. Yeah, I guess that, with your extensive experience with MMOs, you could tell the difference, eh? Get a clue and stop trolling. Or at least stop sucking at it. Hey, you said it kid, not me. Interesting claim. I went and checked my copy of The Fellowship of the Ring, and found it unchanged. So, how exactly is it "ruining" anything? Also, lol @ "bestest book evar". But considering you hold SW crapterature in such high regard, it's not really surprising.

Hilarious. There are very few games that fit the description "repetitive grind" better than D2. It's basically a limited, scaled down MMO, only with an 8-player limit. Of course, it's free over BNET, and that's all that matters, right?

To be honest, that's not the case. From what I've read, it looks like the OP is mostly pissed about the difficulty of certain encounters. This isn't an issue with the mod itself (save for the insane amount of HPs given to the random HK encounter droids), but with the game's own autobalance system, which is one of the most gleaming examples of the unpolished state in which the game shipped. It's really easy to fine-tune the game to suit your preferences, anyway. It only takes five minutes of editing 2da files. Probably less than it took the OP to write his pointless rant and subsequent replies. And I say pointless because no-one here has any degree of control about how TG judge what is an adequate difficulty level. And yeah, Atton's scoundrel levels rule. Give him a keen lightsaber when you jedify him and max his crit strike, and he's murder incarnate.

Yeah, problem is, fundies always manage to find a way to get offended by seemingly innocuous and trivial stuff. I have a hard time believing that SCEE would commission a product that could be viewed as openly offensive by anyone who isn't a total crank.

What the hell are you talking about. Getting the superior version is the superior choice. Superiority > yu0 Ooooops. But yeah, console FPSs tend to have varying degrees of autoaim depending on the game. Vegas 1/2 have none, while the Halo aimer will 'follow' badguys strafing your vision if you get it over them. The CoD5 one will move over badguys within a cirtain area of your screen when bringing up the Iron Sights. This might seem lame, but having played a lot of Red Orchestra (the best WW2 PvP shooter out there, period) pinpoint aiming became more of a sideline frustration to the cover and flanking than 'the game' and i'd really rather that losing in said game was a function of poor tactics and teamwork than poor aim on an individual level. It's not that i'm a bad aim either, it's simply that minute pixel clicking being make or break isn't my idea of fun. As such, in these games, i'll tend to use more close-combat based classes/weapons at which point the autoaim becomes fairly irrelivent either way. All right, I'll be honest. I was just trying to grab your attention. Slam Dunk! Seriously, though. I didn't know about the assisted aim thingy in console shooters. I guess it's just a more forgiving mechanic to place the emphasis of the game on teamwork rather than m4d skillz. In principle I have nothing against that, it just so happens that I grew up on Counter-Strike, so to speak. As I said, I like my pinpoint aiming, but I'm not blind to how that sort of gameplay is unbalanced, unforgiving, and not easy to get into for some. And of course, there's the whole controller thing...

That was a blast. I remember Eru's "Father Cruz" character. Awesome!

Yay me!

If I remember correctly it is just utilizing splitscreen with online play. Guesting is what Nick calls it here on the forum and I guess it sticks even though the word is horrible at actually explaining what it is. The PC is a runner up at best because it has less option than the lolbox, I can't really say anything else. The failbox has autmoatically working mics and options for cramming more players into less machines. You might not like those options yourself but that doesn't matter as I never argued that it was better for you. And yes as far as I know splitscreen hasn't been implemented for the PC. Valve mentioned that splitscreen is integral to the lolbox so I don't know why they think it wont/can't work on the PC. Yeah, guesting sounds interesting, if that's it. As for the more players/machine thing, well. That's always been one of the biggest points for consoles. I just don't think all games lend well (as in, superior to PC counterpart) to the splitscreen scheme, anyway. I love a game of PES with a few friends on my PS2, but I'd much rather set up a LAN for a game of L4D under the same circumstances. What for some is a plus (splitscreen), for me is a big turn-off. Wha-? It's been quite a long time since I've tried a console shooter, so I was asking in a non-facetious, non-inflammatory way. Whatever.

No, splitscreen is a major deciding factor for me. As in, if I can avoid it, I will. What's the advantage of playing on half a screen, again? I don't know what you mean exactly by guesting, though. In my case, getting it on PC is a non-choice because I don't own a 360. I'm not saying it's the better choice under all circumstances. But I fail to see how the PC is "a runner up at best", either. Will do. Thanks!

Yeah, and people are even more likely to accept it after they have the game up and running, without any apparent problems whatsoever. Which was kinda my point. Yeah, I made the same assumption too... but back then HK was using some shopped Viconia pic as avatar...

It seems to me that you're making a generalisation based on how things are here. Yeah, I can see how for the OE boards crowd, the 360 is the best choice. But only because in this case, the Live group is already up and running while the Steam community failed to take off. And the mic? Heh, anyone who's played any reasonably modern online game has one... or Skype.

I think there's a good chance that the Fallout fanbase will expand greatly with F3. Which means that "hardcore" (read: rabid) fans will be even more insignificant in proportion and their voices will be drowned in the inevitable tide of "WOOOOAHHHH COOOOL". Yes, that's a good thing.

I'm not really interested in revisiting the tiresome "Consoles vs PC" polemic, but how do you figure that? There's plenty of PC games that show that close cooperation between players is possible on the PC - take Planetside, CS, the BFs... etc. And if you're thinking of people getting together physically, there's always laptops (which have their own advantages and disadvantages).

Wait, console shooters have a sort of integrated aimbot? I like my pinpoint aiming D:

That's a good point. I try not to influence the purchasing habits of people around me (I'm obnoxious enough on the Internets already), but I do tell people I know of this when the issue comes up, because for most people, gathering information about DRM in the products they are purchasing is not a habit. I wouldn't need to do this if the conditions and limitations of DRM were clearly specified on the box - but they aren't. Why do you think that is?

Funny you'd use that particular word, because business is what the game industry is all about. They outbid Troika or Obsidz or whoever was also interested in the license, and that's that. It's all about biz... What, you mean how Lucas didn't direct ESB and it turned out better than anything he's done before or since? And for the record, he didn't direct ROTJ either...