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The rumors I've heard suggest that the project mentioned here http://www.lucasartsbioware.com/ is being developed in Austin, TX and is a KOTOR MMORPG. Now, that doesn't mean that even if it's true that it's a sequel to K2 exactly, it could be an MMO set in any of the 4000 years of the "Old Republic" empire. However, I could see it very easily being set up as an MMO if you go with the following plot line: "The exile has followed Revan to the unkown regions to fight the threat of the true Sith. She has left her new Jedi companions behind to recruit and train force sensitives throughout the galaxy. You have been recruited. You must finish your training and then follow Revan and the Exile to the unknown regions and join the campain to save the galaxy!" Of course, I think that would be a giant cop out to actually telling the story that needs to be told, but I can see it happening. I'm gonna go cry now...

Well, I chose Bao-Dur and Mira. I've never actually gotten Hanharr before because I love Mira *SO* much, I can't stand not to have her even if I'm attempting a dark side game... not that I've ever finished one of those, mind you... I absolutely adore Atton as a romantic interest, but as a character Bao has him beat to pieces. There's just so much more depth there. I really don't think the characters in K2 are all that cliche, at least not compared to the original. Yeah, they're sort of archetypes, but you really can't create good stories without realistic characters and I really think the Obsidian team did a good job making all of the characters pretty real... even if not fleshed out as much as I would have liked. Disciple is probably the least "real" but I think they could have done a whole lot better with him if they'd just gotten rid of the stupid ren faire accent. I think Obsidian probably needs some female writers for romantic interests... because they soooo missed the mark with Mical. I know what they were going for, and I hate it that it didn't work... but it didn't. Not at all.

Theres a mod for a topless Carth? I GOTTA get KotOR I for PC now! Oh yeah and a new comp that can support it! But this just makes it worth it that much more! I would be more excited about the topless Carth if I didn't recognize that lovely chest as belonging to Canderous. And no, you may not ask me what I was doing stripping Canderous down to his undies... :D

Eh, you still have to deal with the mouse and keyboard though... using the xbox controller is much more conducive to sprawling out with a blanket pulled up to your ears...

Right. I finished every tiny side quest, walked in and out of the landing pad zone a hundred times, paid the little mouse guy - the exchange wanted my head... and I never got the message. It was really frustrating. --edit-- I actually do like playing on my xbox better than my computer... it's *much* more comfortable to kick back on the sofa and play for hours on end than it is to try to do anything at a desk. Now that I finally got a laptop I've installed the PC version and am having fun playing with the cheats... I'll have to look into mods soon.

Yeah Mira's hideout. I have gone back twice now and "interacted" with the door. I think i'm just going to try and go to a different planet first and hope that I don't run into this problem again! Thanks! Ugh... I'm not sure I'd do that if I were you... My first time through on xbox I got into a bug where the Goto scenes never triggered on Nar Shaddaa. I went on to all the other worlds, thinking I must have just missed something and then came back and tried again to figure out how to end Nar Shaddaa... never could get it to work. I ended up having to start over after almost 40 hours of gameplay... better to start over now.

That room is Mira's hideout, right? Have you tried interacting with the room at all in your previous save game... I know the door is magnetically sealed, but maybe if you interact with it somehow it will reset? Just a thought though, no idea if it would actually work.

lol, that's all right... I somehow managed to kill off Bastilla in the original game... which was a much preferred ending... :D

OK, I finally took the time to look it up on the TGRP site and see that it says Which is about what I understood it to be... *phew* thought I was gonna have to be upset there for a minute... :D

Woah, wait a minute... are you sure? Because it would make *way* more sense to me for that to happen if you didn't choose to romance him but chose Mical instead... you know in a Tale of Two Cities Sydney Carton kind of way... So, I guess I'm just wondering if it's just speculation or if you have a reliable source for that notion... Look at the cut dialog or the TG Restoration Mod logs. I'm aware that there's cut dialogue... and what that dialogue is... I guess my question is if there is anywhere that actually shows what the trigger would be? I certainly don't see it anywhere in the .tlk file, but I'm not very good at looing through it... All the cut content is a real touchy subject for me anyhow. As a writer, I have a ton of notebooks filled with events / dialogue that never makes it into my stories. Why? Because it doesn't work. It doesn't accomplish what I'm trying to do. Yes, I understand that most of the cut content in K2 is because they ran out of time to finish it, but it doesn't change the fact that it was cut.

Woah, wait a minute... are you sure? Because it would make *way* more sense to me for that to happen if you didn't choose to romance him but chose Mical instead... you know in a Tale of Two Cities Sydney Carton kind of way... So, I guess I'm just wondering if it's just speculation or if you have a reliable source for that notion... Now, on topic, I seriously need GOTO conversations for my current fic... I've tried digging through the .tlk file, but I haven't gotten very far yet... anyone know if there are any transcripts anywhere?

We'll have to disagree on this one, I guess... unless you want to look at it from the aspect that the Jedi Order had become so corrupted that it wasn't really light side any more either... which is a valid way of looking at it, I guess. But I will adamantly stick to the idea that the Force wanted the Jedi Order cleared out and started over.

Whose mission? It was what the Force wanted of him... just as the Force wanted the Jedi Order destroyed in the KOTOR2 timeline. The Will of the Force will be done! This is why Kreia hates the Force and is why K2 is such an incredibly interesting game.

And both fail at fulfilling their destinies, but please...never use that comparison again: It's like pissing into Mr Herberts coffin. Anakin did NOT fail at fulfilling his destiny in any way. He did exactly what he was supposed to. He brought balance to the force. He wiped out the Jedi Council AND the Sith Lords. He was the Chosen One after all.

Being curious I looked into finding more images of Okona and have decided that if anything, Okona is loosely based on Han, as is Atton. He is missing Atton's trademark fingerless gloves, his shirt is much too puffy and he has a pony tail, for goodness sake! http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/seri...sode/68366.html

And I think this goes back to the Gray Jedi discussion in the other thread. The Jedi council would pretty much have you believe that any deviance from their way of thinking would be "falling". We see that especially with the way they treated the Exile. As far as saying Revan was an "inexperienced student" goes, you do have to remember that these people are basically monks who do nothing but study from a very young age. By the time you hit 20ish and become a full Jedi Knight, there should be very little that you don't know, especially in your area of expertise. I can only assume that Revan's primary area of training probably was military strategy. It would make sense. Now, where Revan would have been inexperienced would have been in dealing with the rest of the world. This could be an advantage to a true strategist, and could also play a part in Revan's fall. He wouldn't be the first person to toss aside a life long ideology as soon as he gets a taste of the real world. I didn't call Revan that. Makes it seem like your talking to me when you quoted me then didn't say you were responding to someone else. Good points, though. Ah, yeah, it's a bad habit I have to respond to a particular point in someone's post and then respond to the thread topic in general in a separate paragraph... I'll try to do better next time...

And I think this goes back to the Gray Jedi discussion in the other thread. The Jedi council would pretty much have you believe that any deviance from their way of thinking would be "falling". We see that especially with the way they treated the Exile. As far as saying Revan was an "inexperienced student" goes, you do have to remember that these people are basically monks who do nothing but study from a very young age. By the time you hit 20ish and become a full Jedi Knight, there should be very little that you don't know, especially in your area of expertise. I can only assume that Revan's primary area of training probably was military strategy. It would make sense. Now, where Revan would have been inexperienced would have been in dealing with the rest of the world. This could be an advantage to a true strategist, and could also play a part in Revan's fall. He wouldn't be the first person to toss aside a life long ideology as soon as he gets a taste of the real world.

Atton>Bao-Dur>Carth>Jolee>Canderous>HK-47>Disciple

KOTOR 2's storyline while incomplete had so much more potential in it. It was like Empire compared to A New Hope. Those who wanted nice wrapped up stories were miserable and hated Empire when it came out. I know I did (but I was 7 so it's understandable). And perhaps it was K2's open ended, unfinished qualities that drew me in, left me wanting more, so I replayed it and replayed it. It will never satisfy, and even if it had been given time to be completed, it would still be open ended and feeling "unfinished" because it is the middle chapter in a trilogy. My only hope is that one day, the last chapter will be told and told well. That being said, the game is buggy as all hell and frustrating. I got stuck in a bug on Nar Shaddaa my first time through and had to completely start over after over 40 hours of game play(I went and finished all the other planets first thinking I just missed something). I enjoyed the bugs, though, that let you level infinitely on the Hississ and allowed you to duplicate crystals and completely trick our your lightsabers. KOTOR was a much better game technically, but I got the story and moved on. It didn't make me think, it didn't make me ponder the nature of the force and it didn't make me want to strangle someone for not finishing some of the romantic options. (Though Carth's declaration of love in the middle of the party was pretty lame and disappointing).