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This is a perfect example of another problem. Not just people being jerks, but the reason behind it. You see, Being a jerk isn't what mac people are known for, being a jerk is what you know mac people for. I think one of the biggest problem, is that some people have just not come into contact with the right people. If all you ever comes in contact with are jerk mac people, then of course that will be your opinion of them. Is it a correct opinion? Absolutely not, but really, can we blame you? If you're only exposed to a certain kind of person, you begin to assume that that's how the majority of them are. The media will do this too. Show you a worst case example, and people take it as the norm. Part of the problem is that the jerks on all sides of the computer argument, are usually the most vocal.

(Hades is suprised that someone shares a similar veiw on people commiting crimes.)

Shame on you

If I can't get into music I want to work for Lego.

They came out with a brief Jurrassic Park "line" It was really a sub section under the Studios line, it was three or four sets, although they were geared more towards making a movie with them then anything, but they were still pretty cool. Lego really only recently got into doing a lot of non-original properties. It started with the Star Wars line.

Hahahahahaha, yes. Any contept or secret negative feelings I've held towards you because you haven't grown on me yet are all gone.

Hahahahahaha, yes. Any contept or secret negative feelings I've held towards you because you haven't grown on me yet are all gone.

Bill frisell - Strange Meeting

Actually, I don't.

I'll jerk YOU

That's what your dad said last night! Am I right fellas? I mean, am I right?

The lack of controversy I apparently created hurts me. Bill Frisell, Dave Holland, Elvin Jones - Outlaws

Part of the problem is people viewing it as an argument. That's irrelevent to the point I was making. For the purposes of this forum, I used argument, because that's usually what happens here. If you want, just replace the word argument with discussion or debate or somehting similar. Whatever you want Tale. The point still stands. I think my point still stands. Jerk or no jerk, when people come into it determined to convince others their beliefs are wrong, that's usually when it gets out of hand. That point is true, but it isn't about people veiwing something as an argument. It's true regardless of what you're going to call it, and I agree that it's part of the problem. I just don't think you should single out arguments. People can have religous arguments, and religous debates, religous discussions, religous talks, all of it. Your point can be applied to all of it. I disagree on that point. I consider debates academic, discussions social, talks social as well. Arguments are specifically about trying to make someone else believe your point of view. Often emotional, aggressive, and not based in reason. They are anti-social, anti-productive. I cannot say the same of debates, discussions, or talks. It is when such transition into an argument that they become a problem. Wait, what point are we tossing around here? What I'm trying to say is that we both have a point, it might have just lost a little in translation. We could sit here and say stuff about what debate and argument and discussion mean to us, but in the end, we both have valid points.

Part of the problem is people viewing it as an argument. That's irrelevent to the point I was making. For the purposes of this forum, I used argument, because that's usually what happens here. If you want, just replace the word argument with discussion or debate or somehting similar. Whatever you want Tale. The point still stands. I think my point still stands. Jerk or no jerk, when people come into it determined to convince others their beliefs are wrong, that's usually when it gets out of hand. That point is true, but it isn't about people veiwing something as an argument. It's true regardless of what you're going to call it, and I agree that it's part of the problem. I just don't think you should single out arguments. People can have religous arguments, and religous debates, religous discussions, religous talks, all of it. Your point can be applied to all of it.

Part of the problem is people viewing it as an argument. That's irrelevent to the point I was making. For the purposes of this forum, I used argument, because that's usually what happens here. If you want, just replace the word argument with discussion or debate or somehting similar. Whatever you want Tale. The point still stands.

There really is a little bit of me inside all of us. This is a perfect example of another problem. Not just people being jerks, but the reason behind it. You see Hades, Crusades aren't what religion is known for, crusades are what you know religion for. I think one of the biggest problems with religious debates, is that people have just not come into contact with the right people. If all Hades ever comes in contact with are crusading religious people, then of course that will be his opinion of it. Is it a correct opinion? Absolutely not, but really, can you blame him? I mean, I know it's Hades, and as I type this, I really feel he should have known better, but really, if you're only exposed to a certain kind of person, you begin to assume that that's how the majority of them are. The media will do this too. Show you a worst case example, and people take it as the norm. Let me give you an example from my point of view. I'm an athiest, bordering on agnostic. But right now, I'm just an athiest. I don't tell most people that though. Do you want to know why? Because out of all the athiests I have met or seen, only a handfull of them are people I would want to associate myself with. The rest of them have been jerks. ****. Do I assume all of them are like that? Well, no, but I'll tell you what does happen. I no longer like discussing religion, because I'm afraid if another athiest is present, he will start going off like a jerk athiest will always go off, bringing the discussion inevitably to how much smarter and more logical they are than everyone else, and I just don't want to be associated with that. Even if another athiest isn't present, I'm afraid more people equate athiest with jerk, and I don't want people to think I'm a jerk athiest. Is my view of athiest's tainted? Of course it is. When you are discussing something rooted in logical and rational thought, the last thing you'd want to come off as is an illogical irrational jerkface. Part of the problem is that the jerks on all sides of the religious argument, are usually the most vocal.

It was just a simple X-Files refference.