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LOL, kissing is simple to do, that isn't the reason, and those pointlessly long corridors tell me they would have liked to found another way to stretch the gameplay time even further. The fade to black is a refernce to sex, if it was just a massage, why can't you get a same sex massage But KOTOR did fade to black for a kiss with Bastila

I would agree....I didn't hate her or anything....just preferred other characters in the game.

I voted 25%. I wouldn't miss her if she was not in the game. As far as characters go I didn't really care much for her. I did like her quest with her mother though, as internal conflicts always seem to be the most interesting. But I preferred Jolee, HK-47, Juhani, and Canderous quite a bit more than her. Bastila was not bad, just not too deep IMO. As for my thinking she'll be in the game...I think there is a small chance, but since there is so much that could have happened with her, I think it would be difficult. I think she will fall at Revan's hand no matter what. Either you killed her on the Star Forge, or something happened after the fact that made Revan kill her. That's the way I see it anyhow.

Once I learned the true nature of Force Pull, it was the force power that got me through Jedi Knight. Every one I stumbled into I would pull their weapons out of their hands and get them at my leisure

How offending other people isn't wrong? I propose a short therapy in the asylum for you Nighclevear, becouse you apparently don't get the rules of living in the society. Do you understand english? It doesn't look like it. No, fine, it's wrong, but what came after that was far more wrong. To be honest, I've heard plenty of comments coming from women that said something mildly offensive about males. What I'm trying to tell you is that the offensiveness wasn't as bad as you think it was, and wasn't intended to be as bad as you seem to think it was intended. And it certainly wasn't so show-stopping to bring up pages upon pages of nonsense, culminating in word-support (I say that because I know it wasn't intended that way) of rape. Regardless of intent, THAT is not as innocent as stating your love of cupcakes. Offensiveness is a subjective matter. What is not very offensive to you could be very offensive to someone else.

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Considering how aggressive she had been up until that message, I figured this one was just as aggressive. And proper "netiquette" would have someone putting smileys around that comment to indicate that she was in fact kidding. It's one thing to defend someone's right to say something, but I think a veil has been pulled over your eyes. For the most part I have just been reading this thread, and from what I can tell, she came busting in saying how much she hates men. You mention that people get reactionary when they are defensive and defend her based on that, when everyone else "ganging up" on her was a defensive reaction to the stereotype she put forth.

They could easily do something like that in some sort of minigame....although they would need to either make it skippable or extremely easy for the non-twitch gamers. How about a way to skip it by having the PC suggest who drives....if you choose not to drive, show a cinematic or something to fill it in.

Or at least a boost in Intelligence......I'm thinking on being a Consular with higher intelligence my first go round. As for being alone on the Ebon Hawk, they could always change that of course. As for Treat Injury being useful somewhere else....I hope so. I hope they make all the skills have something special about them, even if it is only limited to the PC having it and not caring about whether or not the NPCs have them (some work around to make sure the PC is always alone at a point when this happens perhaps, just so it doesn't seem so silly?). I think it would add some replay value to the game (although I will most definitely be a persuasive Consular when I am a Consular). As for awareness, where did you hear about that Ender? I would imagine it would be similar to the Intelligence checks in Fallout or something, where you could get the idea that someone is not telling you the truth or something.

So? Why should Bastila come back just because she is a woman? I prefer the more interesting characters over what sex they are.

You goaded him into it by taking things so personally.

Yes I did. I own both the expansions for Morrowind. But you have to remember that Morrowind is lot more open ended thatn KotOR. Even though you could visit the planets in KotOR in any order, you still had a linear story to follow. That is not the case for Morrowind. I haven't played IWD. As far as I can tell, Morrowind's story is just as linear.

If games didn't appeal to the casual gamer, then all PC games would be niche games, so publishers wouldn't approve development of them anyways.

Just a comment: definitely no I....but whatever.

I like milk. Wow?!?! Me too....drinking some right now.

My favourite characters were Jolee and HK-47. Having said that, I don't know how anyone can really say any of the characters in the game were really "deep." Especially all the support for Yuthura. She was interesting, but there was not enough interaction as far as I'm concerned to make her deep, nor really any of the characters. The characters in PS:T were much deeper IMO, which has me all geeked up for KOTOR II.

Maybe that's why he got booted out of the Order?

I agree Hades. While playing the game I rarely stop to admire my characters' looks.

Amen to that, the Qel-Droma robes are very nice for their wisdom bonus without having to wear that damned ugly thing from Kashyyyk. I stuck that off on Juhani usually, mostly becauase she lacks force points as a guardian, while my high wisdom/charisma scoundrel/consular always has enough for whatever happens. I gave that ugly mask to my Consular still. I had like 20 wisdom and charisma by the end of the game....even stuff that was "immune" would still fail saves against me (which was wierd...but whatever )

I quote messages as I read them. I hadn't read anything in this thread since I was gone for the past few days....so when I saw something I would make a comment. On occassion though, there were actually times I did edit some of my posts to add to them.

I think that's why the characters from the first game cannot make that big of a deal.

Maybe a vast majority of Star Wars movie fans (like myself) do not read the EU. "Darth" makes more sense in their eyes.

I seriously doubt she will be left out completely. She had enough fans out there, and she was pivotal to KOTOR's storyline (maybe a little too pivotal). I don't think she was that pivotal actually. It was something Revan had to deal with. Was she really THAT big of a deal? She is a Jedi that turns to the Dark Side, and Revan deals with it by recruiting/redeeming her and killing her. I guess she did have the Battle Meditation......

I'm under the impression that the devs have said that Revan will play a vital role in KotOR II, thus Bastila will aswell. Please correct me if i'm wrong about this (with links or quotes ). Forgot to add that part. Sorry. A million things could have happened to Bastilla to prevent her from being with Revan. I guess she should have looked both ways before crossing the street. Maybe she tried to betray him (if Revan took LS, then she never fully became LS and fell to DS again...if Revan took DS, then it's only inevitable that she would try to eventually become Dark Lord of the Sith). In any case, I think all the characters can be unmentionable in the entire game, with the exception of Revan. Since he did do something with the Star Forge, there should be a mention of him at the least.

Jedi Knight 2 would NOT have been the same game it is today if they somehow incorporated two endings. Besides, since you play Kyle Katarn in both games, obviously they need to consider something like that much more strongly. However, since we do not play Revan or Bastilla in this game, it is much simplier to deal with.