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Proof please. Of course the fact that Bioware is still in business has absolutely nothing to do with the huge sellers they've had previously. I mean, the entire success of Bioware rested solely on the shoulders of Jade Empire. If the game didn't sell at all, then Bioware would have crumbled. R00fles! Most people at one point thought the world was flat too. Didn't make them right. Just because YOU don't know of one, doesn't mean that it's not possible. When a lead designer for the same developer says that sales pretty much need to exceed a million for the high quality games, it's funny that you just toss it aside. I'm pretty sure Jade Empire is not an exception to that rule, but nice try. You certainly don't have "hardcore proof" though. You yourself have admitted that it's not possible to get hardcore proof. Mind you, this is all coming from the guy that makes claims that JE exceeded expectations too, so we all have pretty much hardcore proof that you'll say anything to make Jade Empire seem more successful, even if it's flatout lying.

You don't know that. Please list to me all of the games that have sold 500k copies so I can verify your information. Perhaps it was somewhere in the article where you state that Jade Empire's sales have exceeded expectations.

That has nothing to do with the "new" NHL though. Even if it was still the "old" NHL he'd stand a good chance of retiring.

Steve Guttenberg would probably accept the offer too. Haven't seen him tearing it up on the big screen in quite a while.

That's not proof. It's still guessing. At the same time, our proof is that throughout the history os business, companies have still given out positive assessments to failing products in order to try to maximize the sales out of the product. Companies still like to maximize their return on investment, and stating that a product is a failure financially doesn't do much to help make up the return on investment either. Typical that you expect me to give hard evidence, yet speculation is all you need. Tsk tsk.

I'm still waiting for the proof that it's more than just marketting

So what you're saying, is that just because someone says something, doesn't necessarily make it true?

The "new" NHL has little to do with Messier's retirement.

Which is why people call you a Bioware fanboy.

It was the fact that he flashed right before punching you. And one uppercut is all it took!

Oh, I think it could. That Fallout 1/2 Dual Jewel and the PS:T and... something one sold at Walmarts for years with a prominent place on small metal racks - I saw the same layout in multiple states. I assume other similar retailers sold it the same way. At $10 for well-known and attractively packaged games I could see them selling an awful lot of copies. Not three million, though, and I don't have any particular numbers to back my presumptions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I suppose. I would still assume that, like most games, the majority of the sales still occurred when the price was greater than $10.

For a second there I thought you were talking about me ^_^

The rosters are still pretty outdated unfortunately. Had to make some moves to put Palffy/Leclair on Pittsburgh, and Hamrlik onto Calgary, as well as Lindros onto Toronto. Too much movement this summer for poor sports game developers to have accurate rosters.

Hades One has h4x0red Ender's account!

I liked listening to him whine when .

We know that. But Tel Aviv mentioned Walter Simons from the first one, so the discussion evolved to the original Deus Ex.

I'm not quite sure what you were trying to say there.

I just beat it again!

"Motormouth" Jones. :D I loved him in Spaceballs too!

I haven't seen many games that require the latest and greatest computer equipment. Even Half-Life 2 only requires a DirectX 7 video card to actually play the game. You won't get the beautiful shaders or anything, but you can still play it. Having said that, the majority of people that do own the latest and greatest computers still use a Microsoft Windows OS, so it's still part of the largest marketshare. Also, towards Mkreku, if DirectX was the only thing that made games OS dependent, then I'm pretty sure that a game like Neverwinter Nights would probably have made it to Linux as well (Neverwinter Nights engine is OpenGL). Also, just from experience this past year, the difference in compilers alone makes "recompiling" code more difficult. The work I did this summer utilized only open source libraries on Linux, and we repeatedly broke the Windows build when making minor tweaks to the code. Eventually it got so broken we just said Fark It and continued with the Linux build exclusively.

Maybe I was young, but I didn't mind 1-6 all that much. #5 did have a babelicous Janet Jones :D But Mission to Moscow....wow....just wow.

A lot of the perennial big names are getting pretty old. Yzerman and Sakic to name two. I had a feeling Moose would be retiring this year. A lot of the older guys I think, given the year off, have experienced life without hockey and have gotten used to it. I'm still surprised that Yzerman is going at it, but I suspect he's the type of player that didn't want to end his career with an injury. Just seems like something he would do.

Thing is, if the game sold a million copies, then it sold quite well. I can't see a game being "modestly profitable" even if it's just in the long run, if it sells a million copies. Jade Empire has only sold 500,000 copies, albeit in a shorter time frame. There's no way the game sold anywhere near 3 million copies though. To suggest that it's even close to selling half of what Starcraft did is rather bold in my opinion.

6 or 7 digits??? I've never seen anyone (including myself) acquire more than 100,000 bucks in the game.

"Somehow I doubt that Planescape: Torment sold more than the original quake. Otherwise we'd have Planescape: Torment 2 and Planescape: Torment Arena as well" There's a world of difference between 1 and 2 million, let alone 3 million. If Planescape: Torment sold anywhere near eve 2 million, we WOULD have had sequels.