Walsingham

If Fox is simply producing dross then I don't know that it's exactly news...

I also have to wonder about that. We had the Soham murders in the UK a few years back. How does a couple like that get together. Or there was Marc Dutroux. Didn't he have a wife? I mean, most wives have a go if tehir husband's hobby is golf! What are these women thinking? "Oh well, at least he doesn't go on about football all the time"?

Gentlemen, the answer is obvious. You must start your own strip joint which gives a superior service. With blackjack. And a theme park.

Yeah, but do kids frequent here though? Sure some people are pretty childish, but I think we established, some time ago, that the average age here was around 25. Obsidian has asked us to retain a child-friendly atmosphere, so obviously no we don't get any kids in here. They're all off reading forums about boobies.

I hope you'll be very happy together. May I suggest you buy an old Soviet nuclear sub and while away time beneath the tranquil waters of the arctic circle. Protected from the vicissitudes of modern living, like moving around without chafing against all your vests, guns, knives, and tinfoil hats. . Yeah real proffesional, walshington yeah your real cool now buddy making fun of mentally handicapped people. wow grow up what are you like 23 and still havent [put ur weinr in a girls vicinity ok buddy go back to work or w/e it is you do jk but seriously you gotta admit i got you pretty good Cultural disjunction: you can't zing an Englishman with that kind of spelling AFTER an edit. Also, I never meant to make fun of the mentally handicapped. Just Soviet submariners. And youse two.

Well, I forgot about that second one, but I don't believe that the other three are enough that the government needs to send someone to get involved in your business. Fair enough. But I do think that if you want to retain the freedom to the last of these things you have to accept more monitoring of the first three. That or accept these sorts of incidents. Which is your prerogative. Edit: (didn't see the next page) Social isolation is a serious co-factor in aberrant behaviour of any kind. It cuts the individual off from normalising influences. It also can lead to them descending into a subculture or subcultures that exacerbate latent tendencies. It's step one in cult brainwashing 101, and suicide bomber grooming. I have to say that I can also see that if the man was cut off from normal world interactions and existed in a cognitive space dominated solely by shooting people for years on end it might have some effect. But we're talking counterstrike like Morgan Spurlock ate Maccy Ds. Also I think you may be misinterpreting what I said in terms of govt coming into your house with SWAT teams and making you talk through childhood issues. According to a friend of mine who runs a young persons institute here in the UK you'd be amazed how many people will come to you if you make it clear there is nothing wrong with doing so, and that you care. Of course there may be instances where you need to oblige the person to get help, but that's what the courts are for. In this case when he started stalking people, setting fire to stuff, and phoning in bomb threats.

MY favourite political cartoon:

If I could discretely remind members this is a family forum? Good. Sounds like your standard incompetent administrative behaviour. The wood is full of wolves and you are at home, kicking the cat.

Aram, it's not about being weird. its about: Weird + History of actual criminal damage + social isolation + deadly weapons. At least so it seems to me. Like I say, although far from perfect the UK has at least some mechanism whereby this could have been nipped in the bud. Certainly at the point he was referred for counselling someone would have been on the case.

I challenge you to determine how much corporate tax he pays. I doubt HE knows; the hundreds of corporate entities that cross-invest in each other defeated international financiers years ago when he bid for some new asset ... But I'm more interested in your definition of nationality, if it isn't citizenship, what is it? Which beer you drink?

I hate to admit it but I can't think of any Donnesburies I've laughed at since the '70s.

I hope you'll be very happy together. May I suggest you buy an old Soviet nuclear sub and while away time beneath the tranquil waters of the arctic circle. Protected from the vicissitudes of modern living, like moving around without chafing against all your vests, guns, knives, and tinfoil hats. .

Legislation being pushed through by the notorious telescopes and binoculars lobby.

death threats to a guy who was already reported as dead? Sheesh. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6564653.stm Reports that he had in fact already been referred for counselling, but that no-one seems very bothered about whether he had gone to it, or what was done for him. I see it seems he also set fire to something in his dormitory, was an unresponsive loner who stalked women and was generally known for railing against the 'corruption' all around him. Sounds like your bog standard star-spangled forebrain to me. One more black mark against the university. Having said that I do think it's going a tad far to suggest that mental health care is the whole solution. It's a complex issue. What's your view then, Gorgo?

My training and dieting continues apace, although my knees are feeling sore and pulpy.

Sand should be pinned to a desk by winged monkeys and force-read Slaughterhouse 5.

Eddo, you can't be seriously advocating that everyone should wear body armour everywhere. For starters it doesn't make you invulnerable. Then there is the small matteer that perhaps the citiziens of the US should aspire to - I don't know - living in a condition more conducive to civilisation than downtown Mogadishu.

No, he was South Korean. And if you want to ban guns, why not ban fertilizer and bleach so IED's can't be made in car bombs? It's worse than any gun. Ever considered maybe finding some more healthy hobbies in light of whats happened ? What was that report-a-loon telephone number again?

*Enters systems science frenzy of rage* No country is self-sufficient because we happen to be interdependent. Moreover it is perfectly possible for countries to exist in peaceful and largely amicable interdependency, rather than committing the grand equivalent of hiding in the closet sucking their thumb. Indeed I would go further and suggest that embracing our interdependence is at the heart of every major advance in the human condition of the past 2000 years! You insistence that the US should ignore the rest of the world completely ignores its dependence on the rest of the world for marketing its goods and securing its raw materials. Taking an active, and at times even unwelcome interest in other countries is precisely what has underpinned your growth from a marginal colony to the World's greatest power. Every time you have goen into isolationism we have had a World War. Need I continue? This is quite beside the initial point of this thread which was to observe that we are in danger of losing everything that was promised by the fall of one of the 20th century's most odious dicatators. And if that does not move you there is the small matter of our being undeniably the instigators (but not the perpetuators) of the mess Iraq is now in. Can you honestly be so bereft of both honour and compassion that you can calmly turn your back?

Says you. Youve obviously never seen how much bleach and fertilizer a double leg amputee can cary around in those hollow prostetics. Of course, that goes out the window if they only have peg legs. You forget that peg legs can become a handy incendiary by the subject spinning around very very fast on a wood floor. I must say it seems a little odd to blame everything on the modern youth. You think Bugsy Seigel, Sammy Gravano, and Kate Bender were all post baby boomers?

I think you chaps hd better calm down. You'd live longer on average if you improved your diets.

What cases would everyone like?

You appear to be stuck.

*dim bulb* Er... I guess... _Was_ that why you raised the issue, Eddo?

On reflection I think the key is BOTH psychological and material avilability. Thus Japan has a bonkers culture of gun lust, but no guns. While Switzerland has all the guns and no gun culture. I don't know what the ruels are in the US but an individual can be sectioned over here under the mental health act if they are believed to be an imminent risk to public. However, I am talking about the far less controversial step of ensuring that people in the process of losing their marbles have counselling and other support services available to them in a culture which does not stigmatise their use. However, I think there is a far more wide problem of a certain types of young men being drawn into extremism for want of anything in popular culture that can satisfy their spiritual/actualisation needs. This is hardly an original observation of my own, but I was wondering what people thought.