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Yes, I remember that damn day. Hopefully Obsidian can come up with something to whet the appetite thats actually palatable, or maybe even Bioware....maybe. heh. Obsidian certainly has the people to do it sometime. Until that day, heres to Age of Decadence. Its becoming quite a full basket of eggs of late in the TBC crowd. :D

Noceur: In that case, I would think you would like yet another great Fallout game in the vein of the first two. If your happy to snack on anything given to you by Bethesda, thats fine too. I was merely answering your query above since you didn't seem to understand what I was talking about.

Metadigital: Numbered answers to your comments. 1) So, if a part # of your favourite game was coming out, you would be quite happy that it was entirely different type of game? 2) Though I am sure that you were not particularly pleased by the fact that Highlander 2 sucked hard, right? Would you not have preferred it to be better than it was? 3) Favourite series is perhaps a better way of putting it. I have enjoyed playing the first two umpteen times. I would like another please. Of the same type if not exactly the same to a T. 4)Commercial success means little to me. The only thing the success of Oblivion means to me is that I get to see more and more 'Oblivions' on the market. Not good. As for Deus Ex, it was Deus Ex. It had not previous fanbase. It was a new IP and I and nobody else had any right to put expectations on what the game would be. Consequently it was and is a wonderful game. The sequel sucked, like highlander the quickening 5) Please. Don't insult either of our intelligence here Metadigital. Apart from reading what Bethesda have already said (Pete Hines 'We will make a game the way we do best, and Turn based top down games are not what we do best') If I am wrong on this one, you can send me your mailing address and I will buy you ten bottles of whatever you enjoy drinking. Or something equivalent if you don't drink. Noceur: Please... How will they delete my copy of the Fallouts? What are you talking about here? I am talking about Fallout 3. An addition, presumably as it will have a three in front of it, to an existing IP. Read my thread again and try to imagine your favourite game series suddenly becoming a type of game you absolutely hate (in my case, Oblivion) and then answer what I have said.

Metadigital: Whats wrong with making Half Life 3 into a Turn based, top down RPG that looks like Ultima? Whats wrong with making KOTOR3 into a side scrolling action game instead of a space opera RPG? Whats wrong with making Elderscrolls 5 into an RTS? Its the same as whats wrong with changing an actual sequel to Fallout into a damn action game with guns and nothing between its ears. It won't be a Fallout sequel. If I want another type of game, I will go and play it. I expect that when I want a Fallout game, I will get a damn Fallout game, not a Soccer simulator; Not a FPS; Not an RTS, etc, etc. If somebody wants to make another Fallout: BOS (POS) then good luck to them! Thats fine. I know it won't be something I want, and can safely steer myself away. However what many people don't realise is that I, like many others, enjoy Fallout how it is. I am not asking anyone else to change their favourite games, but it seems everyone else wants me and others who think like me to accept what 'they' want to do to a game I loved. Forget it. I agree Fallout can be given a Facelift. Given a more indepth Turn based combat model along the lines of Jagged Alliance 2 perhaps, or Silent Storm. But it should be added to, Not subtracted from, the originals. I don't want the Fallouts to go the same way Bethesda has steered their own Flagship; Away from Daggerfall and Morrowind into the soulless trash that is Oblivion. Oversimplified. Less of an RPG than its forefathers. In summary: I want a Fallout RPG. Not a FPS. Not an RTS. Not an Oblivion with guns. A Fallout RPG. That is all.

Sand pretty much summed up everything for me. As for the guy who didn't mean to disparage Bethesda, by all means do so, they suck when it comes to RPG development these days. For myself there are only two major RPG dev studios left today. Bioware and Obsidian. Unless one of the promising Indie groups steps up after some success (the nearest to doing this may be Iron Tower, we shall see) thats all we shall be seeing until the Dark ages are over.

Lets see. NWN2, MTW2 and Gothic 3 when it gets to this cesspool of a land. Barring any decent indy game that gets released shortly, that is my list.

I will definately be getting this game. Too hard eh? Sounds perfect to me. The bugs. That is very stupid, I have no idea why they put this game out early. I thought PB was a fair sized developer? In any case, some people have reported a LARGE increase in performance from getting a no CD patch. Apparently Jowood used some horrid copy protection system. Be careful though, its still early days so beware fakers hiding a virus.

Many thought Gothic 2 sucked at first too. All the Gothics have been mongrels for new players at the start. Eventually, they open up into a brilliant game. Tell me, this new faction system. Is it any good? does it make sure you cannot be an 'everyman' like in Oblivion? Does it have consequences?

Metadigital summed up what I had in mind. It takes a lot more thought, and allows lower level enemies to have an impact for longer. Vampires, Dragons, those kind of things were the badasses I always imagined them to be. In the newer games, these creatures make up the new 'Goblins' because your level rises so damn fast. More tactical options are needed at lower levels as well. BG pulled this off quite well in not handing out a level every five minutes, and it felt like you were adventuring around, taking time to earn these levels and powers. In NWN, levels were like candy. You can become on the verge of Godlike after a couple weeks of adventuring (In game time). And this was after learning how to swing a sword in the academy at level 1. I think DnD games on PC's should start looking at taking advantage of the technology along the lines of 'Rogues being able to climb the wall instead of fight a guard foozle', various ways of completing quests that take advantage of what older computers couldn't have in them. I will stop rambling now

Darth, I agree with some of your points. However, I cannot agree with you about the 'change' in the way things are done. I am not saying anything along the lines of '3D sucks!' or anything like that. But from looking around at best selling games, the sims certainly isn't what I would call cutting edge in the graphics department, yet its the biggest selling game of all time. No cutscenes, no mega-killer graphics. Actually, I believe that many would forgive lesser graphics if the gameplay is there. GTA SA sold a gazillion copies. Not for its graphics and cutscenes. RPG's have a lot going for them, and cutscenes is not what I had in mind. Large explorable world,great Character interaction, many classes to choose from, various ways of completing goals, varied settings. You name it, RPG's can have it. And having the best graphics engine is not one of the things that is necessarily needed. If the game itself is awesome, and it has 'decent' graphics, the crowds will come running. See above games to know what Im saying.

If anyone here has G3, post your specs. Maybe some correlation will point itself out. Also say when your drive was defragged.

I agree with Volourn about the compromising. This has already been done before, I fail to see why any compromising is needed in this case. Do any of you think that levels are being given out a little easy in DnD games on PC's? I remember playing the old SSI games and getting to Level 8 in Pool of radiance. Fireball was Godlike. :cool: Now it seems Epic levels are the norm, for a game thats 60 hours? Perhaps if they kept levels lower, this would allow sequels to add to the first game better.

TOEE with the Co8 patch. Very nice.

Odd, I have been seeing many people with similar specs to yours playing the game quite well. Have you defragged the HD? Apparently this game is a bit of a HD thrasher.

Well No 1, I don't mind Startrek. As for the uniforms, they are kind of like Kirks being yellow and all. They should have used red shirts. Its always an 'extra' redshirt that gets used for the dirty jobs, like getting killed, etc.

The French Surrender monkeys. At the start of WW2, France was a nation split between hardline political factions, mass changes of government, poor military doctrines and weak foreign affairs based upon British appeasment models. The US were, at the time, nowhere to be seen. Even as the war progressed, party politics did their usual thing, decaying the state from the inside out. Progressives like Paul Reynaud and Charles DeGaulle were either too weak or too junior to really have an effect before the calamity struck. Britains contribution to the early war was pathetic and slow. France itself was the same as any nation outside of Germany at the time, it used the current methods of warfare that all other nations used, and payed the price. Some younger commanders in the French, British, US, etc were eager to adopt new ways, but they were, as stated, young commanders without power. A leading book, that was actually read and used by the Germans was 'The army of the future' by Charles DeGaulle, at that time an unpopular colonel in the French army who was a little too modern for the French military establishments tastes. Ironically, the french and British thought the book was trash. A German General staffer, Guderian, was thrilled by it, and expanded upon it in his own book 'Achtung panzer'. Long story short, France got smashed. General Weygand and Marshal Petain, French war leaders from WW1, took control of the nation and ordered the government to capitulate to the germans and started a government of collaboration with the Nazi's. One man didn't. Charles DeGaulle. Throughout the war, DeGaulle, with only minor help and massive interference from the British and especially the US, retook large amounts of the french empire and remade the french army under Free France. Without allowing anyone to take advantage of Frances weakness, he quickly recieved mass support from French people everywhere, even while under a formal death sentence 'in absentia' from the Vichy collaborators in France. Constantly kept in the dark by his Allies, and with constant attempts to supplant him, gain influence over france, and be dictated too by the British and US governments, he managed to weld france together and give some fairly large assistance to the Allies with limited resources. It can be fairly stated that without DeGaulle, the Allies would have ****ed France over and given the communists a real chance of tearing the nation apart after WW2. By all means, check out the history of DeGaulle and the attempts by the allies to take advantage of france at every level throughout WW2, you will no doubt have a little understanding as to why they viewed the US and Britain the way they did for so long. Any race that existed in france during 1940 would have suffered the same defeat. It needed experience to realise just how good the adversary was they were facing and how poor their own doctrines were. The first time the US armies faced the Germans in North Africa they were handed their own arse. I believe todays problems between France and the US stem from those encounters during and after WW2. Both sides took petty political revenge on each other every chance they could, thus leading to the current impasses that have happened. IMO, both sides and both populations need to look at the childishness that they have done to each other over the past 60 years and learn to get over them instead of constantly berate each others flaws and mistakes. Both have a lot to offer to the other. That is all. :cool: PS: Im not French btw. Just a historian. PSS: I noted someone here asked why the French don't respond often to English forums: first of all, the english language is not taught to the same degree as in many other European nations and second, how many of us know French (Or any other language besides English)?

I Prefer KOTOR2's storyline. I enjoyed being the Exile more. Yes, I wish there was more character play in the endgame. And I wish the fate of the travellers were gone into better, and i wish there were more planets, plots, bigger worlds, etc. Ultimately, I prefered the more Personal mission of the Exile. KOTOR1 is no slouch though, its just that I have seen that movie before.

This McloudCorp sounds like an Ambulance Chaser looking for work to me. He has stated all of the obvious catchalls, including 'Big Money' rewards for the Suers. Im sure LA have plenty of lawyers that work for them Macca, and I would say if you had any knowledge about the heads of Obsidian, you would realise they are not really the 'quick, sue em!' types. Best of luck finding a victim in the future.

Well, another way would be starting out as some other class. Like Kotor 1, though having a choice whether to go Jedi or not. This way it might be more interesting to players, giving more endings depending on your class and having specific missions for various class types. Taking on Darth Evil (generic name) as a scoundrel might seem impossible, but that would depend on your skills, and characters in your party.

Hard Decision. I would have to go with Kotor 2, mainly because I enjoyed the stories of the characters better. Honestly, I would have found 2 a leap ahead of number 1 if the game had been fleshed out more. To me, it showed itself being a great sequel that some top mad scientist had to break his neck in order to get out in a finished state. The worlds seemed a little stunted, some quests seemed quickly wrapped up, however, the (to me) excellent storyline showed its potential. I loved being the Exile more than Revan. However, that being said, I can't take anything away from number 1. I bought it fairly early, and left it on the 'to do' list, and when i got around to playing, slapped myself silly for not having a go sooner. Great game, Fun story, nice RPG. great fun. My vote goes to number 2 though. Replayed 1 twice. (Light/Dark) and played 2 three times through on light side alone, it must have made an impression.

Daniel, Much like yourself, I made my first post here wearing an anti flame suit...and the second post in my first thread was a flame (w00t) . As for what you have written: When you wrote 'Kotor 1 saved the Star Wars franchise in my eyes' I cannot agree more with you. The new movies ( I have not seen 3), while being entertaining, are a laugh! However, Kotor2 I found to be an excellent game. And writing a sequel that was so far removed (100 years) would have been a success. I however believe that it is also a success as it is written. Obsidian themselves have really tried hard to accomodate both Revan;Dark or light, into the story depending on the players choice. I would argue that the one flaw with a sequel being so far out of touch of its forbear is the question; why is it number 2? It could have been just another Star Wars RPG. This would be the problem with a 100 year gap imho. It may add in tidbits about the first Kotor, but really, its relationship with the first game would be virtually only in name. And, even then the story given about the events of the first game may still upset someone who disagree with the outcome. What if, for example, this different kotor 2 made up a storyline similar to the current kotor 2's to cover the legend? Revan went off to find the true sith etc etc.... Icewind Dale 2 really had little connection to the first game. It could be said that it shouldn't have really been a sequel, instead just having its own name and based around a similar area to Icewind dale itself. Anyway, thats my opinion. The flame throwers will probably be getting up soonish. :D

I have no idea how long it takes for newbies to be trained... Luke Skywalker certainly didn't take all that long, and he kicked Vaders Arse. Just saying that its not impossible for this to happen. I personally enjoy the storyline from the games, though that is just my opinion. Goto and Remote:This is my thought and a possible solution. somone 'fixed' goto earlier in the game if you remember a certain cutscreen...Perhaps he fixed him in a certain way.. Goto is just about to deliver the coups de grace to remote (add in various Goto like threats etc), when remote initiates a terminal protocol that was added in along with the maintenance earlier in the game.

Grunker: I thought I forgot something...Being a constant light side wimp I always make this mistake in my one sided view of the storyline :D Does uh...Someone else pop up in a ship if you take the dark side? Any way it can be salvaged from a 'any side' viewpoint? Possibly a working crashed ship? Kreia and co must of had a ship to get there for example. ahh....Remote and Goto...This is my thought and a possible solution. somone 'fixed' goto earlier in the game if you remember a certain cutscreen...Perhaps he fixed him in a certain way.. Goto is just about to deliver the coups de grace to remote (add in various Goto like threats etc), when remote initiates a terminal protocol that was added in along with the maintenance earlier in the game. A dark side expert would have to add in a alternative scenario if things go differently that way, as i have only played light side (3 times). Cloris: I see your point of view regarding the Revan/Exile look. Just trying to sway the judges to my opinion I think that, whatever the gender and look of Revan/Exile will be, it will eventually grow on you.

Hello all, Having read many of the ideas for K3 on this board, I have since decided to sign up for this forum and speak of my own ideas regarding the storyline for K3 could possibly work. Please bear with me. At the start of K3 your party should consist of 3 Sith Lords characters (Atton, Bao-Dur, etc). These characters should be the 3 \'non injured\' characters from the entire party, not including T3 who left with the Exile. The other party members made a camp away from the ship and heal the injured members (meeting up with Mira after her \'friendly\' reunion), only to notice that T3 had went missing. Shortly the sound of engines reaches the camp and the Ebon Hawk is seen flying off (Add discussions of party members where appropriate). One of the Party members notices a canister that is lying on the ledge near where the Ebon Hawk crashed. Opening this up, the party notices a holodisk containing the coordinates of a ship. This turns out to be Hanharrs ship that was used to get to the ending (won\'t name the last planet on this forum for obvious reasons). Suddenly, chaos, earthquakes, planet starts breaking up, etc. The Party immediately sets off for Planet X (Have not decided on good location for \'new\' Jedi sanctuary, please give ideas). There they consolidate. Some members heading off to investigate where Revan and Exile might have went (checking old entries in galactic libraries, looking for clues). The others starting new Jedi Sanctuary and training facility. At this stage, we jump ahead one year. The character creation screen comes up, and you build the new \'You\'. A young, successful Padewan of the new sanctuary, along with a small group of other classmates, just about to graduate (not sure of proper star wars term). The masters being some of the Exile\'s gang, possibly including Atris (I am uncertain as to what happened to her, though i remember having the option to save her of sorts) as the Librarian/Reformed guide. Your first missions are of a normal variety, Jedi type missions. You outperform your other classmates and are selected for a special mission to Onderon. The Queen has asked for assistance regarding an upsurge of \'Vaklu\' supporters, who, with strange powers, managed to wrest many outlying townships from government control....Supporters sporting possible Jedi-like powers and Red Light Sabers... The Rest of the game I have not thought of in too much detail, so I will outline a few views of what I think may be good ideas, please feel free to debate them and add to them/improve them. Planets: These should consist of many \'normal\' worlds (Outer and possibly inner Rim worlds) and 1-2 Sith worlds discoverable some time in the game. Revan and Exile: These are only my thoughts and I know this is a contentious issue so please give points. I believe these characters should be given gender and look from the first games. They need to be cemented if they appear in this game, unless they have died, and I believe that many, like myself, would be slightly pissed if this was the occurance. Revan: First possibility; Male Jedi Guardian with the Keanu Reeves type face. Out of a bad bunch of faces, this is the only guy who looks the part to my mind for a male Revan. Female Jedi Consular with the pink lipsticked, two strands of hair over the side of her face avatar. Or the pic of the woman that has only a top knot and shaved head. These speak Revan to me for some reason. Exile: I Really believe the Exile should be a Male, and amid the howls of protest, I will outline why i believe this. The female pics are too young. This guy was a General, which to me, implies that he should be at least 30 years of Age. The Female pics seem to be largely too young to fit this bill so..... Male Jedi Blue lightsaber one handed Guardian, my personal favourite Exile. The Bearded Obi Wanish white face. This guy has always been \'The Exile\' in my minds eye. Definately General like, and looks older than almost all the other faces. 2 other possibilities; Black bald face with light beard. Again, this guy speaks General to me. Looks experienced. I have other ideas on the rest of the story, but would like to formulate them a bit more first. Thanks for reading.

Thanks Grunker, I am just wondering what the inconsistancies would be? I am no Star Wars expert myself regarding histories, etc. My knowledge of Star Wars is gleaned from Watching The original trilogy god knows how many times. The new movies, of which i have only watched 1 and 2, did not fill me with much confidence apart from a few of the characters performance (Obi Wan, Windu, Obi's Master). And the first time I heard about Anikans 'Holy' birth, I almost ripped the video out and hurled it in disgust.... I have enjoyed both of the Kotor games, and they saved my perception of Star Wars.