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So the answer then is 'No a Dev hasn't actually confirmed it.'? I know about the things you listed,and I agree that more then likely Nar will be in there. I also think the most likely answer is that the areas with the Snow are from some section of Telos. However until such info is actually confirmed one way or the other by a Dev there is room for speculation,even if the speculations made are not the most likely answer. Which is why I asked if a Dev had actually said that Nar was in.

Was Nar Shadda actually confirmed? By a Dev? I know it was mentioned in a mag article and there's the one Vid with the save or whatever called Nar,which all point to it being there,but has a Dev actually said it was in?

Interesting idea,has merit,could be possible. You seeing a "death scene" and then a "HaHa fooled you" scene? Or something else in mind?

There's 5 or 6 depending on how you look at,Dxun and Onderon are listed together. I thought they were considered different and each counted as one,but maybe they don't. As for the 6th/7th,Nar Shadda has been mentioned though I don't think it was confirmed. Possible maybe that if this place is another planet it's set up like the Unknown world and you visit it at the end of the game. Notice the one screen that looks like it was taken from a cut scene,the PC is walking away from the screen alone,where's the group?

Horth? I believe you mean Hoth.

Ahh,I see.

Visomething....the dark handmaiden Visas Marr. And they're not the same I though Akari said? Or were you just using the term for the hell of it?

I didn't mind Zal,wasn't my Fav but was okay. Here's a thought though,if you focus on hand to hand you're suppose to be able deal out some decent damage. A Wookiee would make a great character to do this on. ((Thanks for the Info BTW.))

I'm thinking he means characters given a lot of Force Powers,and used in locals that you wouldn't normally see them in. Just to test codes for the characters and powers out. A lot of early screens for Knights showed a giant Rancor on the Unknown World and HK on Taris. Could be wrong though.

As in the powers they're using? And having certain characters in certain locals?

A)They're just screens so they don't show what people can and can not do with their characters once they have the game. B)Everything he's said I tend to agree with,to a point. However he does seem to want to try and 'jack damn near any topic in here. But if it makes him happy whatever,he's welcome to his POV like anyone else.

You have this need to 'jack every topic don't you? As to your comment,sure does.

Hk-50((Spoilers)) (w00t) Been said before but you never know,might still be a spoiler. Hk-50 is was said to be done after P.station,was said in the same article that there would be more of the HK series droids in the game. Though take that for whatever you want because it was from Game Informer.

I work Security. :cool: Other personal type info:23,married,father of one.

Heh,I'll trust the Devs and their info on the time over the article. The number of times they've taken things the wrong way when they post up info is kind of sad.

The one they had with Battle Med on made it look like they were in a club,with the dark background and bright colors of the actual power and the sabers. But yeah there were a couple of nice screens I hadn't seen before.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/l...reviewid=440397 I haven't seen some of them,might be old news though.

Hysteria0730: The thing here is that the Jedi was desperate. And its okay to think that he used his power in fear of losing / in fear of losing his loved one / etc. If the Jedi acted out of desperation of fear,the Jedi wasn't in control of their emotions and ther for would be different from the then what I'm talking about. And which is why I've said that it would take a powerful Jedi who has the control to do as such. About lightsabers I don't know much. But its not aggressive or light ot dark or defensive force we use when fighting with a lightsaber. Its the same force. Windu's form needs much control of the force and he does so. The force used in all of the forms is the same. I phrased that kind of funny,my mistake. You are correct it is the same Force. It's the same Force used no matter how it's used,both sides use the same power for different reasons. It's intent behind the use that make it dark or light. Windu's form is an aggressive form,because of how close it is too that line between dark and light,is the reason for the control. Which is in the realm of what I've been saying. If the Jedi has the control needed,they can take an aggressive stance against the DS and for the protection of life. Windu took an aggressive stance against Jango when he played Barry Bonds with his head,he didn't fear his actions depsite the aggrressive approach,he didn't look for another options durning that fight because there weren't any. Meh! the force is complicated. Yes it is,if it were black and white as some say,it wouldn't be. Thank you! Have some Tatooine(sp) Ale on me Thanks. Ameorn: I find this topic amusing. Everybody says they're right and none will surrender... Hah, tis' funny it is Can't speak for anyone else but I'm not trying to change anyone's mind with this. I simply enjoy these kinds of debates,people don't want to buy into what I'm saying that's more then fine by me. All in fun. 213374U: Welcome Back You are considering Luke the perfect Jedi, when he's far from being so. I am? When did I state that? He acted in fear in the cave of Dagobah, he acted in anger against his father on board the DS, he tried to strike down an unarmed Emperor after failing to resist the taunts. He was this close to falling to the DS. That in the movies only. In fact Luke's own struggle to keep the DS at bay was one of the movies' plots. You're correct,I know these things. However I look at each situation as an individual. The things above he did do,and they were DS in some way or form. However the scene ROTJ was not like the above,no Vader,no Pal,noting for him to be afraid of nothing to to set up to the point that the anger comes free. He simply had one purpose when he walked into the Jabba's,to save his friends,the protection of his friend's lives. I saw no lack of control,no anger,no fear,just the understanding that an aggressive stance was needed. Much the same way Windu took off Jango's head without blinking. Maybe it all would have come down to a fight in the end, but he didn't even try to avoid hurting them. That's not the way of the Jedi. Time was more important then saying please. A Jedi isn't wasteful of too much,time would have been wasted trying to talk to two people who would not have moved no matter what was said. Luke grew up on Tattooine and knew all about the Rep Jabba and his crew had. I believe Jedi regard Force skills such as lightning and hurling objects at a target as deviations of the dark side. Using them is inherently evil. No Jedi would ever use those. Pushing away others with the Force is a different matter, since there is a risk of causing major injury or death, but that is not the intent of the Jedi when doing so. Therefore a Jedi might choose to take that risk if the situation warrants it. And where I respect that,I believe that in certain situations,certain individuals would use a more aggressive defense,as has been shown to be done in dffierent forms in the SW universe. Every Jedi? No,Every situations?No. But if there's a rule there's an exception,if there's an exception someone will use it. phyre: A weapon is tool used to cause harm, it will always be offensive. So a Jedi can never use their Lightsaber for defense?It's strictly offense? Wouldn't that go against the code you're trying to tell me they follow? A weapon is not only offense,a weapon is not only meant for harm,a weapon can be used to defend those who can't do it themselves,and has been a number of times. You can't have one without the other,a weapon is both. Every weapon in the history of mankind was abused. Something being abused doesn't change what it is,or the facts around it. And weapon can just as easily be used only in defense as it can offense. How could you possibly use the gun to shoot the rapist if you did not feel some negative emotion toward this rapist? Sure, to use the gun you need to know how to pull the trigger, but why would you use it in the first place? You would shoot him because you were angry at what he did, or maybe because you hated him for being an animal. Large assumption there,if I myself were then that case,my main thought would be protection of the person being attacked. I would neither feel hate nor anger towards the attacker,simply a need to stop the attack. Not everyone reacts the same or has the same feelings in a given situation. People are individuals. Using it to kill is wrong, no matter the how or why of it. That's correct,using it with murder in your mind is wrong. Using it as a way to defend someone else is not. A Jedi could use the Force in such a way to remove the threat,not try an kill the attacker, yet still take an aggressive stance towards stopping it. And again,I'm not saying anyone/everyone could pull such an act off. It is close to that line bewteen the dark and light and would need someone with a large amount of control to do. Nor am I saying in every fight the Jedi is going to go off frying people with lighting or something. I'm saying certain situations. How much harder, then, would it be for a Jedi to master such techniques that use the Force to directly hurt or kill someone? If only a handful of Jedi can barely manage to master a lightsaber form that flirts with the Darkside how can any Jedi possibly begin to suggest using offensive Force techniques? Restricting any offensive use of the force is meant to protect the Jedi who do not have the will to resist the Darkside after tasting it. Heh,which is exactly why I'm saying only certain very powerful in control individuals would be able to pull something like that off. Would it be hard? Without a doubt,hard doesn't mean impossible. I and understand why the restrict it,but look at Windu. Did the council kick him out when he started learn his saber style? Or when he mastered it? Heh,a Master can get away with pushing a few limits more then a Padawan can. Qui-Gon was another Jedi who could be aggressive in certain situations,not such much on the battle field,but with the Council. Jedi,even though it might fit right into their little line of teaching,have aggressive individuals with in the order that don't fall. e didn't have to choke them. He could have used the Force to paralyze them. So many options, so many alternatives, but he resorted to violence. Why? Because it was the easy way. It was not the Jedi thing to do. Perhaps,but as I said above,time was more important then saying please. First of all, what says using an offensive power against an opponent so much more powerful would even suceed? Although I see how an opponent would be surprised to see such aggressive use of the Force by a Jedi. But why would the Jedi even consider using the Force for offense? Is it because he is afraid he will lose? Fear?No. It removes the threat the most effective way possible to save a life in a situation where little time is had. And there is no 100% reason to believe it would work,I never said there was. But sometimes an aggressive offense needs an aggressive defense to stop it. 213374U(again): ? For a Jedi, there are not many cases in which the only way to protect themselves or others is using the Force in a harmful way. They are trained in other, less offensive, ways of wielding their power. Agreed,but not every situation can be planned or trained for. Hint why I'm saying certaint situations. Spook: The one that is in need of protection from harm from aggressors. Exactly. So why would the concern or respect from life stop a Jedi from protecting an innocent? The use of the force as it has been descibed in SW does not follow normal moral codes. Force powers that harm is DS no matter what the intent was, but if your intent was good you might slide to DS slower then the one using it in anger without care. But slide you would never the less. So Windu was sliding towards the DS? He needed the Force to control not only his emotions when was fighting but also his saber? He called on the Force to do very aggressive actions that cause harm. The fact the Force was focused into his saber instead of a lighting makes a difference? The Force is needed to preform an aggressive action,the Force plays a role in harming or taking another's life. Not really a difference. Like shooting someone and saying you didn't kill them the bullet did. Weiser_Cain: His corruption shows in the way he dresses going from white in the first movie to black in the last. That line of thinking died with the Purge. Luke brought a more,shall we say,modern line of thinking to the Jedi. The color of one's outfit doesn't reflect the person on the inside. :lol:Well this was long....

Ok, so in any game we can have offensive light side power. But since the game tries to depict the force as it is done in the Starwars universe, it is wrong to have offensive light side powers. It beign wrong or not is pry a debate that will go on until the end of time. That's why they say "there is no emotion". It depends. I don't think a Jedi will use offensive force to take a life from a person to save another persons life. Like Phyre said a true Jedi Master would intervene by forcing the attacker into submission by using either the Force to remove the attacker's weapon or prevent them from attacking or using his saber to incapacitate. There is always an option. Yes,but if you're facing a very strong individual,both in the physical and in the Force,it might not be so easy to force them into submission or remove their weapon or prevent them from attacking or using their saber,without a little aggressive defense. Wait to long and the fear of their own actions cost the life of another when they could have done something about it. I'm not saying every time in every situation every Jedi should or would use this as an answer,I'm saying in certain situations it could be done. I think it does, it will take them closer to the dark side. Why?If the action was not based on fear,anger,hate,or any other emotion that can lead to the DS,they've done exactly what they're sworn to do. They used the Force to protect life. I am not sure about lightsabers, but the jedi mostly use it for defence. They don't fight for the sole purpose of killing. That will make them emotional or hateful and angry. You're right,I never said that. What I said was they use a more aggressive style of fighting,they do so to protect themselves and others. Aggressive can be used without killing and in some cases without hurting. But they still tap into a more aggressive side of the Force to allow for a more aggressive style of fighting,to win the fight and make sure life is protected. See Mace Windu. If he used choke then it must have brought him closer to the dark side. Could even have played a small part in the angry lashing out at his father near the end (well it took a little goading on Ani's part too). But he always had a choice and in the end choose the light path. His reaction at the end of ROTJ was due to his father's threat against his sister. He was baited into a reaction at the idea of a threat as such causing him to snap. His use of choke on the guards in Jabba's palace I doubt had anything at all to do with it. Of course they can do that but using the force in an aggressive manner will always be related to the dark side. Aggression is not a DS only trait,aggression is almost always used when ever a fight takes place,on both sides. It's the amount and reasons that play the big part. Someone who can not control their aggression someone who can not keep it in check is danger of falling. But certain situations call for an aggressive responce ,not blood lust aggression,not murder aggression,but aggression none the less. Attacking someone because the made you angery and making damn sure someone can not harm an innocent of defenseless person are two very different forms of aggression. Oh,and welcome to the Forum.

...The more a Jedi uses the force as a weapon, the easier it becomes to abuse it... A weapon is both a tool of Defense and Offense. Saying that using the Force as a weapon will lead to abuse is slightly off. In order to perform any attack through the force, whether it be a choke or a blast of lightning, there must be negative emotions driving it. The Force in the SW Universe isn't broken up into a power tree like it is in a game. To mannipulate the Force all you need is skill and training to do so. Lighting could be used as Defense as easy as Offense,how it's used would decide which it was. He would never manipulate the Force in such a way as to take the life ... One should never say never. Besides one can survive a blast of lighting,or a choke or a push or a throw,just as examples. You're right that a Jedi most likely wouldn't go out of their way to kill someone if it could be avoided. However that's not the same as not using an aggressive defense,if it could protect another's life from harm. Who's the Jedi going to have more care for? The attacker or the one being attacked? That doesn't mean the Jedi doesn't value life,but they're sworn to proetect the innocent. If doing so meant using the Force in such a way as to remove a threat via some kind of aggressive defense,some would take it,others would not but that doesn't make it the DS option. The Force is used in lightsaber combat,think it's the same thing or not,the Force is used to help the Jedi fight. They don't want to kill or hurt with their saber but will if need be,as you pointed out. Some have used more aggressive style of saber fighting,as such using a more aggressive side of the Force,to help them protect life. They're still Jedi for doing so. Is it something any Jedi could do? No,it would take a large amount of control to do something like that,which some simply wouldn't be able to pull off. Think about it, how could you manipulate a power as awesome as the Force, to use as a weapon against another sentient being unless there was hate, anger, or a strong desire to cause harm, all of which are strongly associated with the Darkside. So Luke,in ROTJ,was using anger?Hate?A strong desire to cause harm? Didn't seem that way to me,he didn't pick the fight,he didn't make them stand in his way,however he was going to get by them. He didn't seem to be filled with anger or hate. Aggressive is not something that only DS have,LS can be aggressive. They don't start fights,they don't go out of their way to harm others but that doesn't mean,in certain situations,they won't react in an aggressive style if the reason is the protection of life.

attacking a rapist or another form of criminal is still attacking Technically it's not an attack unless it's done after the threat is removed. IE,in your example if the Jedi pushed/used lighting/some other agrressive means of the Force to remove the threat from the innocent,it's defense. The very moment the threat is removed however it becomes an attack. Which is where that fine line I've been talking about comes in. The aggressive use of the Force would need to be stopped the moment the person holding the blade was away from the innocent. And no other agressive action taken unless the person presented himself/herself as a threat again. Would it be dangerous to do so? Yes because the line can be crossed in a heartbeat and that could be trouble. Not something I would think young(in experience not age) Jedi or Padawans should try,however I have no problem thinking a more experienced Jedi Knight or Master could do so if need be.

nightcleaver: Your post on the Jedi Code was an interesting one,nice. I would agree over all that reasons behind the Jedi Code and how strict it is comes from trying to prevent people who don't fully understand what they're involved in. But sometimes having too many rules,no matter how the good the reasons,can cause more problems then good. In the attempt to protect the young Jedi you leave them with out the know how to deal with a part(s) of life they're bound to come in contact with. And on top of that you cause the to miss out on parts of life that help people understand better what they're fighting for and life is something that should be protected.

Well mate, the Jedi code isn't perfect or easy. And while that loss may well lead to the darkside through grief and anger, but all those emotions must be removed. True that is how the Jedi are trained,but*gasp,I'll bet you're surprised by this. *I never really agreeded with that. Cutting yourself of from all your emotions makes you nothing more then a droid IMO. Now I understand why it was done, that very thin line that can be crossed in an instant,but I think teaching stronger control,while still being allowed to have them,would have made a better teaching method. Maybe a certain well known fallen Jedi turned Twisted and evil could have avoided falling if something different had been used to train him. interesting ideas nightcleaver and Sorall Loskannen,both sound interesting. And is Battle Med Light? Tought it was considered neutral...

Jedi's respect all life, good or evil. Respect is good,But in certain situations which life gets the most respect? And of emotions there is always fear, fear is one of the biggest failures of young Jedi that fall, a Jedi will fear being unable to protect those around them, fear failure, and then call on the force to help them quickly - fear leads to the dark side. If they were not afraid they have turned to such a quick violent solution. Agreed,to a point. Sometimes one has to make very quick choices or someone dies. The fear of one's own actions,which then costs a close friend/famliy member or innocent person their life,could send some down the path of the DS a lot fast then a little use of the Force to stop a bad situation.

I have read quite a few things on self-defense myself, and AFAIK, you would be hard pressed to justify the use of something as deadly as a back-breaking technique, no matter the circumstances, since the only aim of such a move is to cause serious and/or permanent injury, if not death. I believe that could be compared to using the Force in an offensive way. Heh,'bout the only thing that would pry justify something that would be the person was crazyed and simply would not stop attacking you,you'd also have to be able prove that in a court which could be difficult. And if that is how you view using the Force for an agressive Defense then I can see why you hold a strong stance against it.