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Ummm, you do know that Libby did not out Plame right? It was Richard Armitage. Ironically, he was not prosecuted. I think your half right actually, it was Richard Novak right? That was who she was outed to, Novak is a reporter, Armitage told him she was Wilsons wife and CIA. ten-four, thanks.

Ummm, you do know that Libby did not out Plame right? It was Richard Armitage. Ironically, he was not prosecuted. I think your half right actually, it was Richard Novak right?

Of course you have the right to that opinion. And you are not the only one who thinks that way judging by the approval ratings. But to return to topic, I was only pointing out that the people crying over Libby not going to prison were the same people who had no problems with Clinton not being punished for the same offenses. And had no problem with anyone he pardoned. Valerie was working on Iran and their Nuclear proliferation during her outing right? If so, Libby outing her out is a Major blow to national security since they think Iran is a "Axes of Evil" Country. I understand perjury is perjury, but there are min and max penalties for perjury. I think we should make an example out of him for risking everyones life for this... Administration. Its over, i understand and i think it was bad judgement on Bush's side but it is legal. Bush just has no moral or intellectual capacity. Hes stupid, mediocre at best, and hes my president, even though I didn't vote for him. Looking down at New Orleans I can't wait until budlight gives a radio commercial thanking the president. The last one was hilarious, it was about the taco salad inventor, the maker of the 12 thousand calorie salad.

Just wait until it starts to get into WW2 again. it aways comes back to the Nazis!

The war was legalized by congress, but the facts in the report were manipulated. Where did the facts come from and who sent them to the congress without checking them? The white house administration has become a mafia almost with so many buffers that its impossible to charge someone. This goverment is not right if we cannot check it. Our founding fathers told the future generation to overturn the goverment if it came to this. Article 1, section Nine of our Constitution Habeas Corpus was rendered useless. This is HUGE. The legal concept of Habeas corpus is a fundamental right, the right to go into a court of law and have it proved that the authorities are detaining you with proper cause. If this right is denied doesn't that necessarily mean that the state does not answer to the people, and is therefore a dictatorship by definition? On October 17 president Bush signed a bill essentially repealing that right. It barely made the news. Congress has no right to be worries about Clinton's *genital region*, that whole idea is complete lunacy, a trap by the republican party to win votes for their own political agenda for the next presidency. In fact Newt Gingrich the guy leading the impeachment is a Hypocrite because he was having an affair while he was impeaching Clinton. Well Republicans got the white house somehow and look what they did with it. With the crippling of Habeas Corpus. repeatedly wrong intelligence on Iraq that was manipulated. The terrible idea of preemptive war that goes against even bushes ideology technically on Just War by Augustine. Ill reasoned fear mongering for 6 years. and the longest string of disapproval rating's I've ever heard of/ Living in the US of A i feel that i have a right to my opinion and that opinion is that President Bush, his vice president and the rest of his administration is a corrupt embarrassment to the United States Legacy, I vote No Confidence.

One resulted in juicy tabloids, the other resulted in 3,600 US soldier deaths, billions of dollars spent , losing liberty and cutting out constitution so two religious groups could fight it out and create more terrorists. I do not know much about law, but does a person that lies about being gay to the court get the same punishment as a person who lies about brainwashing children into an occult? Hypothetical question. Do they get the same sentence?

Gabs give Bok a hug While Teeth silently sneaks behind and grabs the ultimate Gaming rig tower and jumps out the 2nd story window with his spiderman pajamas on. :ninja10:

My family are all Christians though, so it is definitely religious to them, at least presumably. I'm not affiliated with a religion, but i do celebrate Christmas. Why turn down fun!?

Fixed my game too with my new system. Cheers! Playing with any mods? Same patch i am using. Works great I think!

250,000 fine and 2 years probation is what Libby gets now. I guess I'm not surprised either, although i wish i was, because that would mean that the country wouldn't make as many stupid actions. President Bush is not the brightest crayon in the box, i bet his IQ is something like 84. His highest grade in college was something like an 80% in college i believe, but his average was what, a C- right? Born into power. What the heck kind of person is a libby supporter? Libby is a douche bag, and so are his supporters. The white house and its staff has become a sideshow, every week they come out with another crazy act that shocks us again and again. I would not call our president courageous, i see this action as a sign of impudence. With freedom comes responsibility, and like every other citizen of the United States even its officials get the same treatment from the courts, at least in theory, and our presidents are disrespecting our system and over reaching their power. Bill Clinton did this too right before he got out of office too, and i think it was equally disrespectful. I think it goes against our constitution and checks and balances.

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Well I've been playing for a couple hours, and it runs fine, no slow downs. I did have to reinstall because the unofficially 3.7 patch didn't let me use 3rd person and it didn't have the action icon that goes above people heads... weird so i am using the TRUE patch now. Words great so far!

I'm going to give this game another play through!!! I've installed the 1.2 and Wesp's unofficial 3.7 BASIC (its supposedly like the TRUE patch but has more fixes. Their the same size though about 45 mb. I'm going through the music folder changing some of the stuff right now. Do i have to install the editor to open the command so i can dump the cache (memory leak) when it gets out of control and stutters eventually to a crash? anybody know how to dump it?

EEEWWWWW Anyway, I've said all I can say on this subject. Teeth, Taks, Tale, Sand, Wals, Gorgon, and all the rest, it was an enjoyable debate as always. Same you too Guard Dog, thanks for your inside viewpoint on the gov.

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I think it would have to be set up something similar to what UK has, where the countries (states in the US) had their own version, but they all treat UK (US) citizens equally.

maybe its more pessimistic? Its possible to do a smooth transition, no matter what their will be criticism, just look at our educational system. Partlly the reason why its doing so bad is the criticism alone, and people taking their kids out forgetting the reason why there is one in the first place. btw: I can't believe brown Vs The board of Education was overturned...

uhhh.... Yeah some of the federal money does go to school. Look at stupid programs like No Child Left Behind, who funds that? EDIT: btw i do how know schools work generally and I know these programs the feds made are not required by the schools, but the schools get so little money they have little choice.

Individual State run health care. As I posted earlier. If the State of Washington desides to subsidize health care for it's citizens, then I applaud them for it. I'm not opposed to government run health care. I AM opposed to FEDERAL Government run health care. @Calax, you are correct. The words "health care" do not appear in the Constitution. Therefore the 10th Amendment forbids the Federal Government from involving itself in it. At the same time it empowers the State Governments to pursue it if their voters approve. The states run our school system too, and the federal has certain requirements that we have to meet for our education to keep getting the schools funded. I would be fine with it, it can work just fine. Why can't that be called universal health care? There obviously would be a general consensus on how it should be ran (if it came to be at all.) Does it really take a war (like ww2) to recognize we are all in this together, so we should work together?

Con: The Constitution does not allow the Federal government to do it. It's just that simple. So what are the other options the US has other then the Universal then?

Did you guys know Franklin Roosevelt Proposed a second bill of rights that included with many other things: Universal health care. It actually sounded much like France's system. But now that the greatest generation is mostly gone now, we lost that unity the United States had. We were still headed in the Universal health care direction until Nixon got in office though. CLICK HERE!!Wiki link

Never the less people need health care, and there not getting it due to the current system. Politicians are being payed off, Prescriptions are through the roof, people are getting dumped off, poor choices are being made, and 50million do not even have health care, this is all mostly due to greed. So what are the other options the US has other then the Universal then? Pros and cons of a universal health care are Pros -Everyone gets health care(care and prescriptions), granted taxes are paying for it. -Health will be the main issue, not profit, more preventative maintenance done. -Less bankruptcies cons -Pay with taxes; The people who make more will have to pay for the people who make less Government might also screw it up like privatized is too -speculation: health care quality might decline -US privatized medical corporations testing for new medicines will decline. Please feel free to critique this all you want, I would like the best pros and cons list, and other suggestions possible to make the most informed decision. EDIT: Medical bills are the number one cause for bankruptcy in the US.

uh, the veep isn't really "in charge" of the legislation. he only has a vote if a bill is tied. even with his vote, the dems still have a majority right now, as a result, cheney has zero power. checks and balances were not designed to counter party differences, though people often assume that is the case. bush also doesn't have any control over alito nor roberts, or the supreme court in general, since they are appointed for life once approved (that's precisely why it is a life appointment). keep in mind, reagan appointed kennedy and he's been anything but conservative. Wasn't clear on the Vice P but I know what Checks and balances are for.

I agree, and thats why having a small government is efficient, so its harder to cheat, and presumably MUCH easier to find the problems. The biggest problem i think we have right now is checks and balances because it doesn't work correctly right now. Presidents got the Attorney general his job; Vice president is the head of legislation; Bush recommended Judge Alito and Roberts to the Supreme Court. So the executive branch has power in all 3. Checks and balances turns into pointing fingers and denying.

which has absolutely nothing to do with this thread and is nothing more than your sorry-ass trying to be cute making an otherwise ill-informed, nonsensical, political statement. i tried to be reasonable with you earlier but your obvious adherence to dogma and ideology gets scorn instead. a) educate yourself. b) shut up in the mean-time. taks Taks try to share ideas, not hate.