Volourn

"I guess the characters weren't good enough for someone who likes Deekin." This proves you can't be trusted as you have no idea what you are talking about. I dislike Deekin. That's Hades youa re referring to. "But someone with the attention span of a goldfish" HAHAH! My attention span is fine. In fact, my attention span never ends. Consideirng the fact, I have spent like 24 hours straight playing D&D (hah! me = geek) or read books for hours on end, or play sports for hours one end; my attention span has never been described as short.. well.. except by the likes of you who know nothing anyways. "who keeps claiming Jade Empire is a long game" 1. Define long. 2. I never claimed JE was long. I claimed JE was longer than what some claim it to be. LOL Again, you mistake me for Hades who took 40+ hours to finish JE. HAHAHAHA! Bottom line is DQ8 is an overrated, boring game that insults all previous DQ/DW games. It adds nothing to the genre or the series. Nothing.

WOW! I'm an introvert, and that's got be one of the most arrogant pieces of trash I've ever read.

They don't owes an explaination. Period. Do you have stock with them? No. So, they owe ya crap. And, Obsidian interacts with the fans A LOT.

Huh? Who says I dislike you? I certainly don't. In fact, you are usually cool. But, your attack on those who prefer shorter games by simplifying their opinion by referring to them as 'fanbois' was the attack. Don't get mad because I pointed that out. "Sounds to me like you quit before you got any skills." Perhaps. Don't really remember the character system all that much.

So, let me see, you boycott a company because they do something you disageree with morally than proceeed to steal or do soemthing else underhanded? R00fles!

"If someone said they played Jade Empire for 20 minutes and said it sucked I expect you would have something to say about it." LOL According to some around here 20 minutes of JE would mean half the game! R00LFES! :D "Just how far did you get in your "few hours" anyway ?" It's been awhile, and like I said the game wa sso boring and pretty much forced me to quit and also attempt to wipe it from memory. I beleive I made it to some castle. The biggest problem with the game for me was that it keeps the worst parts olf the Japanese RPG while getting rid of the charm which is engaging characters, and decent combat.

"I know that's disgustingly arrogant of me (the above), but you're the type of person that wouldn't know quality if it ran up to you and hit you in the face with a 2 by 4. I mean, you think that Neverwinter Nights in single player is a good game.." Yeah, that's because we all know professional reviewers do such a wonderful job. Oh, btw, your colleagues sure LOVED NWN including the OC. In fact, I believe one of the major sites when they did their 'we overrated series' admitted that they likely went overboard with their praise on NWN's mp, toolset, and DM client yet still continued to call the OC 'great'. So, yeah, the fact you think professiona reviewers are awesome. I'm sorry; but if bad taste equals thinking that the ES series is garbabge while 'professionals' eat it up; I'm happy with my opinions. Exactly what's good about DQ8's story? Let me guess, like SP says, the first few hours sucks and then it amazingly gets better. HAHAHA! How *convienent*. The story brings nothing new, the characters are ALL cookie cutter, and their is no heart or soul. In simple tersm, the game gives nothing to care about. It's a kiddy game; but without the fun or decent story. Even Mario has a better story! HAHAHAHA!! "Next year we'll be seeing developers bragging about a game that took 5 years to develop but delivers TEN WHOLE HOURS of gaming goodness, and the same bloody fanbois screaming, "That's great! I don't want no stinking 20-hour game anyway." So, people who view things different than you are simply fanbois? HAHAHA! Hello, Codexer! To point, I personally prefer longer games myself; but there's nothing wrong with someone wanting shorter games. There *is* soemthing wrong with people looking down on those who do, however..

It's not an opinion. It's a fact. I have played HOTU in MP. P.S. They may not have designed it with MP in mind; but that doesn't mean it's not playable in MP. Afterall, NWN was not deisgned with PWs in mind; but there's no disputing the existence and popularity of PWs. Checkmate. You lose.

"Maybe in the same universe where Hordes of the Underdark was released with MP support." Bottom line is I played HOTU in MP. It must have been magic spell that accomplished that.

"No they didn't." Yes, they have. Repeatedly. Over, and over again. Verbatim. In interviews, on the message board, and on, and on, and on.

"I'd be surprised if they changed very much with the team at all." Even the best team make chnages year to year. Can you name even ONE professioanl sports franchise that had the EXACT same roster as the year before. I surely can't. On top of that, if a Jagr or a Thornton - both guys who are point producers - played an entire NHL season without gaining even one point they'd likely retire. And, if the team they played for somehow managed to win 82 games it will be because in spite of them not because of them. Even the best teams have bad players.

You mean like them trying to break his neck? <>

Yup. Like I wish they used their beautiful world map more!!! Hopefully in JE2!!!

And, then you ended up enjoying it. Go figure.

Not to mention you continuing to buy their games. Heck, you bought an x-box just to play JE. And, don't try to make an exuse of 'I bought other games too'. We both know you bought the x-box for one reason - to play JE. The other games are bought by you because they are there.

No. Not relevant to us. But, we're not that important anyways.

"Is Volourn implying something bad about Bioware? That would be a first for Volourn. And yes a 75% on the OC is a good score not a bash. lol" No. I'm implying that the Obsidian fanboys jumping on Ferret 'cause he 'betrayed' them and went over to the 'enemy'. LOL P.S. I think I scared those types away from this thread.. at least so far.. it's been too positive... so far. P.S.S. Haha! I type that and somebody had to be funny! :D

Maybe. I didn't play it so I don't keep mind of it.

"It's kept me reading for 30 pages" We do this because we love you! :D

"Well, better that than console mech games. Congrats." Didn't BIO make one of those before!?!

"So he expected JE to sell like BG/NWN/KOTOR? I believe that even less." I gave two possible reason. IIRC, Je's reasoning was that he believes the game cost over 10 million dollars to make (if not 20 million) and the 600k+ copies sold (at the time) wouldn't be able to cover his suspicion of what he felt the game cost to make and market. Remember, he's making an educated guess. that's it. He doesn't have the actual numbers - BIO and MS do. Now, one can make up things like BIO would 'lie' about it; but MS doesn't need to. If JE bombed finanically, MS could shrug their shoulders, take the loss, dump BIO, and move. But, nooooooooo.... They've dedicated their resources to BIO for at least ANOTHER 3 GAMES. Seems to me that MS is quite happy with BIO and JE's performancies. Go figure.

Now all you Obsidian fanboys can attack him for sucha 'betrayal'. Found at NWN2 Boards linked from NWN Vault: http://nwvault.ign.com/ (scroll down to see it) "Ferret Baudoin, former Lead Designer for NWN2, and his wife Alice, were kind enough to send word that they are moving to Edmonton, Canada, where Ferret will take up a Senior Designer position at BioWare. Unfortunately he couldn't speak as to the circumstances behind the switch in companies nor what project he'll be working on, however it's good to hear that he will still be in the gaming community I cover." At least he's in Edmonton; not Texas so it means he's likely working on one of their RPGs not their MMORPG. Congrats Ferret! It's too bad in a way 'cause he was cool at Obsidian so hopefully he'll remain cool at Bioware!!!

Early 30s I believe. He's far from old. And, it's not like Jagr is injury prone.. he did play all 82 games this year even after the stupid Olympics tried to cripple him... just like the Devils tried to break his neck yesterday... yet he gets possibly injured on what look liked an innocent play. LOL

"Wonder what anti-Bio feelings J.E. Sawyer had then As I already mentioned: Reread it..." I didn't say everyone who felt JE was a financial failure was anti BIO. Read that quote again. The bottom line is those who actually invested money in JE, and whose money was on the line thought it was a success. That's all that matters.

"would ask you to reread "Jade Empire is a Total Financial Failure...and I mean beyond your opening post..." I took part in it so I already it. There was no proof that it was a finaincail failure to the only people who matter - BIO and MS. More than once they have stated quite clearly that they are more than happy with JE's performance. The only ones who claim JE was a 'financial failure' ar ethose who have a hate on for BIO or for some reason expected it to sell as much as NWN or KOTOR or BG. "They got the job... yes. But the same time? Threatment? Support? Not a chance... I was more talking about the way Publishers go around with Devs than 'giving them projects'... And sure, they ain't newbies, but games like PS:T, while giving them a rep of making excellent compelling games, didn't gave them a "bestseller creator" rep..." Before Interplay's crash they had some darn good successes for over 10 years. "obsidian were struggling to cut content as they had their release date moved up by a number of months. never did get a reason for why the kotor2 release date got changed, but the situations were obviously different" KOTOR2 was originally scheduled for a Christmas release then was pushed back to February than the x-box was deemed 'finish' by the PTB and was released on schedule at Christmas time and the PC version at the pushed back date of February. I don';t get where people get this diea that somehow the game was moved up. The game was no doubt hurried; but thee was no lost dev time. Christmas was always the goal from all the signals.