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Enoch wins.

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"That Kanada football rulz." Nahz. Kanada footballz suckz.

Uhuh. You are. L0LLERZ!

Question: If all these non gamers are suddenly playing the Wii... why is xbox 360 still outselling it? From the talk here; this must mean gamers aren't playing/buying the Wii at all.. Hmmm..

"I doubt you can identify most players without help" Absolutely right. And, I'm proud of the fact. I don't care much about the unknwon crap passing as NFLers. "we'll just have to agree that I know about football and you don't and leave it at that" No, you don't. Anyone who thinsk that Shockey isn't one of the best TE doesn't know football. Period. "mean to not even know who you're looking at" Hey, it's not my fault he's so bland, boring, and 'just there'. It's his job to make himself memorable; not mine.

Sure he did. You must have missed all his speeches where he dared the US to attack him, and how the US would be wiped out by him if they did. You musta forgot his constant breeching of UN Resolutions. The guy asked for it, and he recievdd it. And, the game is over for Saddam. Permenately. He played Chicken with a Superpower, and the Superpower won.

Did so. Anywyas, this is about the patch not my perosnal NWN2 problems of doom. The patch itself looks cool. :cool:

You know what? I am a tard I didn't connect the dots until now as I'm picturing his face. HAHAHA!. It's like he's wholly different person on PTI then. LOL he's loud, opinionated, and doesn't show extreme knowledge; but on MNF; he actually acts like he's football smart and isn't so bland. LOL HAHAHAHA! LOL It only proves my point that he doesn't really try on Pardon the Interruption. L0LLERZ!!!!!!!!!! So bland; I didn't even realize it was the same person though, in my defesne, I only casuually watch PTI ocne and awhile. A while back, I watched it all the time then they simply bored me enough to leave... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! "And people who talk about football are all the same." No. Some, even when I disagree with them, are obviously knowledgeable. Others are simply not as much.

Yes. But, I had to go reinsatll it.. Or try to... Didn't take too well the second time. First time, it installed perfectly, and ran rather smoothly as well....

The addition to hot bar son screen is a greta ddition. Too bad the patch didn't make the game installable. If it did, I'd gobble it up. P.S. At leats they are patching the game still. Thumbs up for that.

What channel then? I don't recall him being on any of them? I must have missed him 'cause he wa sso bland then... WOWSERS!

L0L PTI Those guys are a joke. Are they your exmaples of 'kowledgable football people'. L0L Gates, and Gonzales are both greta; but Shockey is up there with them. And, he does dominate against anyone. "but neither would want him to play for their team." 'Cause they aren't about passionate football playin'. Or winning. L0L PTI I'm talkin' relaly knoweldgebale football people. ie. the ones who actually do football orineted programs. You know, the ones who announce the games, the ones who analyze the games in the pre and post games shows on FOX, ESPN, NBC, and CBS. The ones who actually have former players on their shows. Not two dinks - entertaining dinks mind you as I find PTI fun to watch (and, even agree with 'em sometimes) - who randomly spout nonsense to hear themsleves talk. I don't take them seriously as they apparanantly don't.

Yeah, 3000. Heh. The war was justified. Saddam asked for it, and he got it. Game over, SADDAM MAN, game over.

"most people around football would agree." Really? Do you listen to the announcers? They pretty much gave Shockey verbal sex on air on Saturday. And, if people around football would agree with you mostly, why is Shockey a perrenial Pro Bowler? *shrug* "The reason Shockey makes the probowl has just as much to do with playing in New York and having their fans in his jock then anything else." False. He made the Pro Bowl because he's one of the best tight ends in the game. His numbers are impressive espicially with Barber being a ball hog. "but my god, Burress is soooooooo over-rated." Meh. he's undderrated. I do agree, hwoever, that burress 9unlike Shockey) does have a habit of whining once and awhile. But, overall, he's a darn good wide reciever. Maybe not 'one of the best'; but definitely up there. Did you see him on Sunday? He WAS the Giants' offense. "Cooley, Smith, and Whitten, and Shockey" And, Shockey is arguably the consistent best out of all 4 which is why he is consistently in the Pro Bowl. "Coughlin is a proven winner" Stop living in his past. Coughlin is the moron who came in, and pretty much right awya fined one of the most popular Giants ever for being EARLY to a team meeting. Bullcrap like that is what cost him this team's respect. He also supposedly has a rep for having disciplined teams yet the Giants' biggest weakness is most likely the silly penalties they take which is directly linked to poor coaching. Not to mention retarded decisions like going for a near 60 yard field goal with a kicker who has NO CHANCE of making it which leads to a TD and made a agme that was actually close into a blow out. The guy is a moron. Perhaps, the game has passed him by. I was happy when the Giants first signed him; but right away he proved how much of a joke is. "IF I was the coach and he got up in my face calling me out, I'd send him to the showers. Than I would give him some time off." Then you'd be a poor coach who'd rather have drones and not passionate players who actually care about winning and losing. Sports is as much about passion as it is about skill hence why I say good riddance to Barber. "but you're just completely wrong again, and most people around football would agree." Back to this very asanine comments. The facts, and the evidence illustrate otherwise. 1. Most knowledgeable about football do nothing but praise Shockey. Did you watch the game on Sunday? 2. Most football analysts think that burress is a great reciever; but they all agree he is prone to 'whining' at times. And,. after Sunday, I don't blame him. When Manning went looking for Burress, the Giants put points on the board. When he didn't, they didn't. Coincidence? I think not. "so was Fassel when he was with the Giants, what happened, whining players turned the fans against them." I liked Fassel a lot; but it's not whiny players who turned the fans against him (I never did, anyways) or Coughlin. With Fassel it was simply a poor record, and with Coughlin; it's a combo of dissapointing record and the simple fact is that it's hard to support a coach who brags about discipline yet can't follow through on it, and is very stupid decisions ala FG, silly fines, and general moronicy. If a coach is just getting one player claling them out then maybe it's the player acting up; but when it's basically an entire team... perhaps, the coach *is* the problem. Imagine that? If we are gonna give creddit to coaches like Paxton, Smith and others for doing good jobs; we should be able to punish coaches when they do poorly like Coughlin did this season... just like we do with players. It's not like NFL coaches are underpaid, afterall.

I do. How is sending more troops over gonna get more troops killed? It's not like every solider is gonna die. Hundreds of thosuands of soldier shave been sent over, and 300 have died. Do the math. Sending more troops over isn't going to by itself increase the number of dead soliders. If anything, it'll likely decrease the death rate. *shrug*

No. You are wrong.

"lots of players do the same job just as well without as much self-promotion" Really? 'Lots' of tight ends in the NFL do the same job just as well as Shockey/ That's baloney. there's a reason why he's been a PB nearly every year he's been in the league. Sure, he's very opinionated; but that doesn't make him evil. It means he's not afraid to give his opinion. he has ballz, and isn't a coward. "The Giants currently have a culture that promotes losing, and players like Burress and Shockey are just as responsible for it as anyone else," Bull. The Giants' problem is their pathetic coach. Burress, and Shockey promote a culture of winning. Burress pretty much did the last TD drive for the Giants solo (with an assit abrley by Manning). In fact, Burress is responsible for 17 of the Giants 20 points. The reason why the Giants didn't score more is because Eli forgot for some reason who the best receiever is on the team. Shockey always plays hard, and has a drive to win that is outmatched by pretty much everybody as evidenced by him fighting for yardage even after losing his helmet while alreayd playing hurt. How the heck does that encourage a 'culture of losing'? Burress is awesome. Of course, he wnats the ball. Because he knows what to do with it. The game would have been a blow out if it wans't for him. Not that stupid loser, patheticly coward Tiki Barber. Calling Shockey a turd just shows you know very little about what makes a great football player. Shockey doesn't whine. He tells the truth. It sure beats playing tiddlywinks, and acting liek you don't care. btw, I've seen Whitten thump his chest plenty of times.And,d eservedly so when you make a good play. It's not like Whiten's team did any better either. :crazy:

Shockey is awesome. Any coach who disses Shockey should be FIRED right on the spot. That's why Coughlin was at least smart enough to take it from both Shockey and Barber when they called him out. Not to mention, 3/4 of the rest of the tgeam. Burress is awesome. He enarly won that game for NY single handedly. Yes, I said. Burress was the Giants; not that piece of crap cowardly Barber. Though; I'll take Cowher any day over Coughlin.

Great. The loss to Philly was for nothing. Bah. Stupid Giants. How do the Giants expect him to do his job when the players 9depsite their protests) simply don't respect him as their coach. The guy is simply dreadful. He's done exactly one thing I approve of since becoming Giants head coach, and with Tiki retiring anyways; that one thing means nothing now. Bah. Another so-so year is coming up despite the talent the Giants have. Anyways, my 2nd round picks: SEATTLE over CHICAGO: Until the QB can show he won't turn over the ball a dozen times per game; the more experienced play off team is favored depsite their struggles this year. PHILLY over NO: Philly's offense simply doesn't make mistakes with Garcia on the field. As great as Brees has been; he's prone to mistakes from time to time, and his defence isn't strong enough to bail him out if that happens. INDY over BAL: Close game; but Manning will not give up 3 INTs this week. SD over NE: NE is always hard to go against in the playoffs; but theya r eon the road, and SD is just too strong. I tuink they'll win with a reasonable lead.

Please. Don't remind me. The day Quebec leaves this greta country is the day I will finally get gloriouslyd runk for the first time in celebration. P.S. I am, by blood, French.

"what is Canada's history of civil wars, revolutions, and devastating conflict?" Read up on the Kanada-Indian Conflict. People seem to forget that the US is not the only NA country with their own racial problem. Though we luckily didn't need to have a major war for our Independence from Britian mainly because Britain didn't want a War of Independence 2: Kanadian Edition. I think they learned their lessons from the beating the Amerikans (with their French allies) did to them.

"Do I like the fact that we started a civil war?" No, 'we' didn't. The Iraqis did. And, it didn't just start recently. It's been happening for DECADES. In fact, I dare say, it's likely bene happening since the split between the Shiite and Sunni Muslims. There's a reason why Saddam favored the Sunnis. Let's face it, Iraq has been in a civil war for a very long time. The only difference now is that one side used to have all the power. Now, the other side can actually effectively fight back. To somehow blame the evasion for the hatred between these two Iraqi sects is nonsense.

Oh SNAPIO!

"World War 2 we were directly attacked and so were our allies. Who did Iraq attack just prior to our invasion? The U.S.? No. Any of our allies? No. Did Saddam and his cronies even capable of attacking/invading another nation let alone the US when we invaded? No." Saddam had a habit of shooting at Amerikan and British planes that were up in the air inforcing the UN Resolution of 'no flightzone' and the Kurds. Bootom line is Saddam was a threat to all good humans and needed to have his power stopped. He thought he was a Big Shot. He wa snothing more than a gang leader... who started soemthing he could not finish. The world is better off without him leading Iraq. Period.