Volourn

Every Obsidian game has been finished. Whether or not you liked them is irrelevant.

RPG Codex is awesome. Not eprfect but awesome. You are allowed to have an opinion there unlike other places.

"Shipped != Sold Also most of those units that were "sold" were pre-orders, and of those over 60% were returned to GameStop in that first week. Perhaps you should... visit the DA2 forums on the BioWare Social Network before you further shove-foot-in-mouth. It's obvious now that you don't know what you are talking about. " L0L random number alert! "60%" R00fles! DA2 has sold 2mil+ copies and sold 1mil+ copies in the first week. This is fact. Deal with it. Your ignorance of how this all works is hilarious.

For a mainstream game from a mainstream publisher SS and a well known developer like Obsidian, and the 3rd game and a hugely popular series that has sold millions.. that is a very low number. DA2 sold over a mil in 1 week, and some were trying to claim it as a 'failure'. Come on, 162k in 1 week is fail. No way to spin doctor . Thankfully, vghcartz is a joke so these numbers mean nothing.

That's... insane... That has gotta to be the most insane deal I've ever heard .. in any league...

" BioWare/EA BOUGHT the initial high review scores of DA2, while Obsidian are an honest company and take what they get because they earned it." You must a comedian b/c that is hilarious! DA2 is a great game just a s good as DA1 and is better than DS3 most liekly from what i've been reading on these forums. DA2 = 8.5 DS3 Demo = 2 DS3 Proper = Not worth full pirce "DA2 was nearly as much good as in Obsidian games. Nearly..." Better than NWN2 OC, SOZ, AP, and DS. Not as good as MOTB 9friggin' awesome stuff). And, who knows about FO3.5:LV.

If those numbers are accurate (which they are mosta ssuredly not), DS3 would haveb to be considered a bomb. 130 000 in the first week? That means DEAD GAME NOT SELLING. Unless it oplans to kep those numbers the same for the next 3 months it'll be lucky to sell half a mil. Thankfully, it's vghcratz so the numbers are auto bogus.

"God I hope so, otherwise they have gone completely bonkers over at EA. Still a little self effacing/deprecating on their part, and a bad move to associate a new product with a failed one." Only an Obsidian fanboy, Witcher fanboy, or Codexer wouldd are to make the ludicrous claim that a 2mil+ selling game is a 'failure' while CELEBRATING DS3 and AP's 'successes'. L0L DA2, btw, was just as good as DA1. And, vastly superior to the overrated BG1 by twtenty thousand points.

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"WTF? All this people buying the game for 30-40 euros, am I the only dumbass who bought it for 50 euros? " HA! if I were to buy it now, it be $70.

"Geez, Dark Alliance 1 and 2 were even worse than Dungeon Siege 1 and 2. " You jokin right? DS games (not coutning 3 hopefully) are amongst the worst games ever. BGDA series are pretty damn fun games with greta graphics, fun combat, a pretty darn good character system espciailly for an action (light rpg) game, and worthwhile stories. How cna any sane perosn - espciially an Obsidian fanboy like youn - truly believe that the DS games ar ebetetr than the BGDA games. L0LZ

"Obviously DS3 will do better, considering its much wider target audience and fortuitous release date." No, that isn't obvious. Though, it certainly can't be worse than AP quality wise. Can it? I surely hope not. I just wished FO3.5:LV didn't use the FO3 engine or else I'd have tried that since it actually seems to be the only 'recent' Obsidian game that actually gets real praise from non Obsidian fanboys.

" I liked it much more than Dragon Age and DA2 from BioWare. " K.

"Absolutely ridiculous comment. You're saying people know what a fair price for the game is before they've played it? lolz." "Don't be stupid." You both are absolutely ridiculous stupid. If someone sees the price of something is x and decided to buy that is them admitting theyf eel that product is worth it. It's called supply and demand. iIt doesn't matter if you ended up dislking it, or being dissapointed it, you felt the price was worth it or you would not have bought it. period. Plus, as for not knowing you were gonna hate it, tough. There's plenty of ways to figure out if a game is for you. Don't worry, I've made game purchases I've regreeted. I say suck it up. You dont' see me whining about how Obsidian owes me money for AP... because they don't. The price tag for DS3 is very much appropriate for those who boguht it. period. me? i was going to buy it full pirce but I'mm going to hold back on a purchase... this means the current price tag isn't approrpiate for me. See, how that works? Obsidian/SS did absolutely nothingw rongg in regards to pricing of DS3. period.

Just because someone buys a game doesn't mean they neccessarily like it. I wa sone of those make believe suckers 700k sales... I certainly don't like it.

"Alpha Protocol didn't have a sequel because Sega didn't allow it, they have the rights for it as far as I know. Another publisher could have seen that there was something fresh in the design and the cult following would have at least got some DLC. There's an Obsidian interview knocking around somewhere that says Sega didn't want AP2 or further support for AP, but that's not to say that the mechanics that made it such a hidden gem wouldn't find their way into another IP of a different name... " AP didn't have a sequel because it was determined it did not do well enough to earn one by the people paying for AP's production. Seriously douybt another publisher would have green lighted it. If Sega felt DLC/sequel were worthwhile despite AP doing poorly they would have done it. AP, btw, is not a 'hidden gem'. It's a horrible game that sold more than it deserved to, and was Obsidian's worst game to date from the ones I played.

For the people willing to pay the price it was fair.If you slopped down x amount for it, you are admitting that it was a fair price.

VGChartz isn trash. Please don't defend it. "think, as Volourn says, Obsidian has a fairly dedicated- if niche audience that should bring up sales. Alpha Protocol still managed around 700k even with mediocre reviews and as a new IP, I think DS3 should be able to beat that and hopefully get the million mark.": You completely missed my point.

"That is because some gamers always conspires against Obsidian games not only for DS3; mostly to be part of the ridiculous hate wagon." Are these conspiring drivers of the 'ridiculous hate wagons' the same peeps who loved NWN2, KOTOR2, and FO3.5:LV that sold millions of copies? By golly, they sure hate 'em!

"Also, who was ever the market for DS3? Hardcore DS fans? Obsidian fans? RPG fans? To be honest each of those projected catagories are only SMALL PARTS of the gaming industry and player demographics. So let's say that every DS fan bought DS3, and every Obsidian fan bought DS3. As far as anyone should be concerned that means the game has already been successfully permeated in the target audience and the rest of the sales are residual income from sales that have been formed outside the target audience." Don't discuount these 'niche' audiences. DS has millions of fans. Obsidian fans are quite hardcore in their love for Obsidian and this company has made 3 games that have sold 2mil+. RPGs may be a niche audience but 'niche' in this regards is quite large. D&D, btw, is considered a niche non main stream hobby yet it has millions of players and has kept D7D in business in one for or another since the 70s. So with these assumptions... "1) Not much money spent on advertising." Not true. TV commericals are not cheap. "2) Not a high budget project." It needed a budget big enough to pay 100+ of Obsidian's employees for at least a couple of years. 3") A large amount of target audience sales were sold to said audience." define 'large' amount. "It sounds like they at least made their money back plus some. Sounds like a success to me. And the game is still being sold. " Doesn't sound like you gave any evidence - not even half baked ones - to back your theory up. It sounds like an Obsidian fanboy crossing fingers and wishing. Thankfully, Obsidian didn't need to rely on such silliness for the successes of NWN2, KOTOR2, and FO3.5:LV. R00fles!

No ideo games tend not to add new free content continually, though.

NHL 11, NWN, and M&M3.

that's silly. It was pretty common knowledge that NWN2, KOTOR2, and FO3.5:LV were massive sellers from the start. One could have an opinion on their respectvie quality but uit was undisputable that they sold butthloads of copies. here we are getting numbers that are low ()though vghchartz is still crap), and low rankings for a new mainstream release to a popualr series ( I hate DS1 and DS2 but they were big hits) and by alla ccounts its selling rather poorly. Do we have all facts?No. But, to claim we have NO CLUE wahtsoever is intellectually dishonest. There are plenty of clues. Why were people willing to accept the fact that LV was a multi selling hit without actual numbers but won't accept the fact that DS3 just isn't as successful as expected? L0LZ

If you don't l;ike PvP don't use it but why not add it as an option? L0LZ

You'd think a sequel to a popualr series wouldn't even have to worry about this. Espicially since all of Obsidian's previous work on established series like NWN, KOTOR, and FO have all been mega sellers. The fact that DS3 sales are even debateable signifies some sort of failure in this regard. That can be bad news for Obsidian which isn't cool since we need to find out their next project.