Volourn

"an anyone rationalize this game for me? How do you defend this exactly? I guess it's a moot question, since I suppose any of the defenders of DA2 will simply claim they haven't played it, so it's a moot discussion, but to me, it just demonstrates the lack of quality and vision at BioWare. " *yawn* In fact, i didn't play it. Not my kind of game but S;RPgw asn't made for me. It was made for Sonic fans justr like SP;RPG by Obsidian for SP fans and not for Obsidian fans., But, unless I missed it, I don'ty see you ranting and whining and crying about Obsidian's lack of quality and vision. LMAO Not a big deal. i udnerstand not every game is made for me and thank god for that since I cna't play every single game anyways. But, crying about it is useless selfish evil sucmbag piece of crap me me me garabge and is what is wrong about society. It's always about the person not about anyone else. Stop crying because you aren't the target audience for whatever game. GET OVER IT! L0LZ

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"So Alan, do you enjoy defending DA2 on both the BSN and here? It must get rather tiring." Probably no more tiring than those who hate the game going on and on about and even threatening (lol) to replay it just to prove how much they hate it. L0L Games are supposed to be fun and enjoyable for the player. Why replay as game that you don't like. It makes no logical sense at all.

"Choosing 'good' and 'evil' path actually became a very difficult proposition in K2. " No, it wasn't. It was really easy. Kreia made it an even easier choice. No wodner people like ehr though since she is plainly a Codexian - random contrariness just for the sake of random contrariness. Don't get me wrong. She is a good villainess but she is overrated. Master Lin was only 'obvious' because people were expecting some sort of 'twist'. Thats' the problem with twists espciailly in modern times sicne people expect games to have twists (same with movies) . Obvious or not, I loved Lin's characterization, personality, motivation, and voice acting. Plus, the fact there is na ctual ending where he suckers morans into letting him win for such a screwed up reason. L0L I loved the butthurt over that on the forums. :D

Squandered? Irencius is one of the best villains ever. BIS and Obsidian don't have too many great villains. They have many okayish to good villains. The Master was okay. TTO was very good for what he was but wasn't exactly complex (nor did he need to be considering what he was). Kreia had her strengths but she also flopped in her obviousness - I called her as a villain the moment I saw her despite her joining the party. And, her motivastion was rather weak. Sorry, but this tyalk about BIS./Obsidian being so aweesome at vikllains comapred to BIO is silly. Not to mention, Master Lin from JE who was pure awesome as well. Then again, BIO does have some failures - I'm looking at you Ms. medusa and Ms. Marrisan. *puke*

"For the record, I just want to state that BioWare is the greatest company in the world and that it makes excellent RPG video games. It's also one of the few studios that is willing to make games for the LGBT community. Dragon Age 2 was a fine game and immensely profitable. Cullen is also very cute. " L0L This is very cute. I have a little fake mini me. Whose alt is this? Let's not make this Codex 2, guys. "This is very narrow, short-term thinking. It's never a good idea to saturate the market with ****, even if it's profitable the first time you do it. It hurts your future sales of said product." Actually, it's a smart business practice that many use and it works. EA has made an art of this with their sports games, afterall. Even their NHl series which isn't a huge seller (maybe 1mil copies per year if lucky) is profitable. "But it sold far less than DA:O did and it hurt the image of quality BioWare was known for. The way the video game industry works is this: initial game strengthens sales for the sequel. People may buy a bad game the first time, but they will show their support for that game when it comes to buy its sequel. Dragon Age 2 will hurt the sales of Dragon Age 3. It will be an uphill battle to convince RPG consumers that they won't be burned again by BioWare." BIO has had people bashing their games since their inception yet their games continue to sell. The biggest complainers tend to be the ahrdcore players who pretty much buy anything resembling a rpg automatically. *shrug* "And Mass Effect 3 did sell more poorly compared to ME2, or at least, those were the sales projections around April. Of course, EA was also recently caught fudging numbers about the sales of its games on sites like VGChartz, so it's hard to say definitively." VGChartz is untrustwhorthy. ME3 has outsold by a large margine both earlier MEs. It's not even a comparison. And, I say that despite the fact that ME3 is my least favorite of the three. "SWTOR had the biggest budget of any video game in history, I believe. It's F2P this year. I would argue that it did not make the necessary revenue to meet its development budget. It sold under 2.1 million and maintained a subscriber base of less than half that after the first (free) month. It's a ghost town right now. " The problem with the budget talk is it seems to have changed depending on the speaker and how much time goes by. I've heard people prolcioam it cost $200mil to make when it used to be $50mil. 2.1x$50 (even though it costs more than that) is 100$mil and I'm sure it's sold more than 2.1mil by now and it liekly cost most people more than $50. I didn't buy it but at my store it would have cost me $80+. Again, if it failed so horribly, EA would have thrown it in the trash. It definitely isn't as successfula s they hoped it be to be sure.

"DA2 sold less than DA1" Sure, but it was also a lot less coslty to make so it was still highly profitable. "ME3 sold less than ME2" This simply is not true. "SWTOR was a massive financial failure" Doubtful. It is not as scucessful as EA hoeped but it sold well enough and iss till making money. It was likely profitable but not ehavily. If it was a financial failure they would have canceled it completed and not waste time working on it at all. EA isn't afraid to cancel/stop projects when they fail. "It's as simple as that. Whether you disagree with me or not, the numbers don't lie. BW has been making less and less money for EA on each iteration. SWTOR was so bad, EA can't even lie to its investors anymore. When DA3 fails to eclipse DA2's sales, they will be completely justified in tearing the studio apart." You are posting nonsense. If EA was thinking of tearing down BIo why do they keep naming various EA divisions BIO x. If they thought BIo was a doomed divisiuon they would be trying to get rid of all signs of them. Also, if DA2 and ME3 were such horrible failures like you try to pretend they are why are they making sequels to them? Taht doesn't make sense. "lso, Volourn, if you keep it up, I'm going to have to request proof that you don't have a previous history of working in Edmonton Canada. " You beg and demand all you want, I don't obey internet peons like yourself. My real life status is none of your bizness. Stop being such a wannabe stalker.

Or asian. Or white. Or Arab. The storm effect NJ and NY. NY itself has people from all races and culttures. Only a bigot would bring race into the discussion. Storms don't care who tehy target. Then again, I guess it was the white man's fault when that Earthquake devasted Japan a few eyars back. TSK, TSK.

They don't need no excuses for ME3. It was a good game. Not as good as the earlier MEs but pretty solid. For one thing, they have games with worse endings yet nobody whined about those. And, no, EA will not close down BIO because of ME3 'failing' to live up to some random poster's OPINION. Then again, people have predicting BIO's closing since their wear with Interplay a good 10+ years ago. That said, I am dissapointed that you are stuck playing a ghuman. Boooooooooo!!!!!

"We doing this? The whole hyperbole to prove a point without actually providing any kind of justification thing? Very well. " Not hyperbole. Just the truth on how I feel. loghain was merely adequate. Irencius was DA MAN.

"I thought Loghain far outdid Irenicus in terms of characterization and his justifications." You kiddin' right? Irencius is better than Loghain in every way. It's not even close. Loghain is probaly BIO's 4th worst main villain with onlym sou Medusa, KOTOR freakazoid, and Melissan being worse. I'd take the friggin' Archdemon over him and the thing was nothing but a monster. L0L

You hate the game so much you gonna play it again. That doesn't make sense. You remind me of a guy who played a game 7 times yet claimed to loathe it. One protests too much, I say. You won't catch me playing any game I claim is 'worst ever' again unless I tried it in secret and found it enjoyable. Certainly not to prove an unproveable point. I'll wait your DA2 4th Time Through Review. It'll be a doozy!

YWhy lie? That sentence is quite clearly in quotations. I use REAL quote marks not the FAKE internet cool kiddie speak quote boxes.

Stop being a crybaby.

"Skipping SoU?" Yeah. I want to continue with my OC character and SOU is meant for level 1 characters. And, yeah, I know, technically, HOTU is a continuing of the SOu character's story. *shrug* Plus,. I love HOTU and I find SOU supbar mixed up with some decent ideas.

"f you two like Dragon Age 2 so much, go play it again." I'll play what i want. "I was foolish to respond to people coming to this thread to defend Dragon Age 2 - I mean this is a thread that was created for its revilement." This thread is for everyone. It's not private. I guarantee you if I were to start a thread stating 'DA2 is awesome'; there be people - likely including you - charging right in to say it sucks. *shrugs* "You coming here and trying to argue otherwise just shows your trollish or stubborn nature, thinking that anyone who dislikes Dragon Age 2 is just a 'hater', 'nerd', 'somebody who doesn't read an intelligent webcomic like me' or something." As opposed to you and your rude behaviour of stating anyone who likes DA2 is stupid, moron, braindead, and every other nasty thing you can come up with? L0L "kay. Yep. I'm doing it. This thread has convinced me. For the sake of humanity, I will play DA2 again. I will do it with fraps this time. And I'll make a horrifyingly long youtube series which 'pontificates' about every single solitary wrong thing with the game. And I will make every one of you eat your words. I will make the case that DA2 is so bad, anyone who defends it should be locked away in a dungeon forever. No need to thank me. " the only things you would prove is: a) You like to waste time on things you hate. Why not spend time on games you enjoy? b) Your opinion as you will not convince anyone they are wrong in liking DA2 just like I won't convince anyone they are wrong in liking DA2? get over it, and get over your self.

Just finished NWN OC. Going on to HOTU.

"Stop being a troll and ****ing contribute. You can make all the opposing statements you want but you'll get nothing but swear words from me if you can't back them up in any substantial way." When youa ctually contribute something substantial I will as well. nothing i've read of your long posts does anything 'but my opinion is the right one and anyone who has a different opinion is wrong and poppyhead.' Everyone else in this thread has noticed it. One cana rgue my posts (or many people's posts) are like that too but, by god, I've never seen anyone write so many paragraphs to say so little. Why not just post "DA2 sucks and if you like you suck too." That's what your posts essentially do. How in the bejeebers is that substantial? It's not. It's nonense. In conclusion, DA2? BG1 + KOTOR. Prove me wrong. I dare you. btw, You can't. "ut you have to admit, anyone with a developed taste of RPGs will not be satisfied with Dragon Age 2 - Dragon Age 2 does not have qualities RPG afficianados are looking for: great story great characters tactical gameplay variety of character development exploration drama action romance philosophy other-worldly-ness consequences of player choice dynamic living worlds These things are all missing from DA2." Why are you factually lying? "I believe Obsdian just said "**** all these damn publishers, lets make the game we want to make"." Not quite. They are still working with publishers.

"You can like and have fun with Dragon Age 2 but it doesn't change the fact it is a bad game." You can hate and not have fun with DA2 but it doesn't change the fact that it is a good game.

Whinme all you want DA2 is betetr than both KOTOR and BG1 combined. This is undisputable.

"A starting dungeon is a good idea, if it's done right. Bad example: BG2" I disagree. BG2 has one of the best introductions to any game. Except for giving you a few more role-playing moments, it offers everything you should get. Story,a tmosphere, interetsing encounters, some phat loot. Coolio beanio.

"A scientist is not going to lose his job for bringing good news or bad." Kiddin' right? Scientists were just sent to prison because they got blamed for deaths b/c they didn't predict how bad an earthquake was going to be accurately. so, yeah, a scientist can lose his job and worse, Don't be ignorant if youa re gonna accuse others' of ignorance.

So, people are calling MCA a liar then? It's quite clear that PST is influenced by JRPGs and the influence was fully intentional.

"Okay, well now i can see where the joke comes from. Still, the similarities are very minor, regardless of inspiration" MINOR? MINOR? MINOR? The whole of PST, in spite of its DnD roots, is LARGELY inspired by JRPG. And, MCA clearly wanted it to be. Let's look at how PST was 'minorly' inspired by JRPGs - the spells, weapons/armour locked into specifc characters, the story being largely connected to the protagnist instead of being simply an epic fantasy story like most rpgs, the music, etc., etc. MINOR/ MINOR? MINOR? What PST did you play? What JRPGs did you play? But, the inspiration is NOt mkinor,. not by a long shot. Only reason why you are insulted by it is ebcause youa re abigot who hates JRPGs but PST is very much a mini JRPG. Not a full one since it is obviously influenced by WRPGs as well. MCA > U

"Volourn you're adorable." Adorably right.