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Thread closed due (only, really) to length. A new thread to continue the subject can be found here.

As stated, the first thread was getting very, very large. So, following the suggestion of Ghost of Anakin's, I stickied it and this one as well. Perhaps also it will keep the discussion here instead of migrating out to the rest of the board. You can still find that thread here. Same rules apply as in the first one. No badmouthing any developers or publishers. No profane language. No insulting other members. No spam. So far it's been a much smaller circus than I had anticipated, so let's keep it like that. This thread, like the other, is for the purpose of venting the frustration over the newly announced release dates. If you don't want to read about said frustration, please move on to another topic. Thank you.

It's been confined to one thread. If you don't like it, don't read the thread. Thank you. Topic closed.

Yup, that I can and think I will do.

Well, I was thinking of closing it and opening a new one to continue the discussion (along the lines of the Ask the Devs threads) because it's getting rather unwieldy. However, I don't mind leaving it open if no one else does.

Oh, agreed. I do feel that LA should have been up front about the XBox being in a more advanced stage of development, and the reasons why, from the beginning.

Topic pruned. No legal case would hold water against LucasArts, as they have always hedged their bets by saying that they were "aiming for" or "trying for" or "working their very hardest for" a simultaneous release date. That makes them not culpable for false advertisement. You would have to find in a document released BY LucasArts, not reported by another site, where they explicitly promised a simultaneous release date. (Friend is a lawyer.) Extra content for the PC would be superb, but as GoA said, it's not likely to happen. *sigh* Question: This thread is pretty long. Consensus on locking this one and starting a new one with a link to this one?

My sincere apologies, Craftsman brought to my attention that this poll has not been done before. Upon further thought, it does not directly reflect the announcement concerning the release dates. I'm just tired and jumpy. No excuse, but I am very sorry. Carry on.

Snail mail goes a lot farther than emails, and the LA mailing address is listed on their Contacts page at www.lucasarts.com. However, be aware that while they will most likely listen to well thought out, intelligent letters describing how and why you are disappointed, letters filled with profanity and other venting will merely be assigned to the circular file.

Topic pruned. I know of two things concerning international release, but I have no idea of timetables on them, so if someone else knows, I'd very much like to see it posted. 1. Conversion from NTSC to PAL. Again, I have no idea what this entails, but I do know that the PAL version of KoTOR had some very bizarre bugs in it that the NTSC version never saw. 2. Video Game Ratings for various countries. Germany, for example, has very strict rating guidelines for games released in their country, and extensively review any game, then inform the publisher/developer of any changes that need to be made in order to fit a certain rating, the changes have to be made, and then another review is performed. I would imagine this is quite time consuming.

I do not want to lock this thread, if the spamming continues, I will, however, be forced to lock it and not permit any other discussions of this subject.

Topic pruned. Please keep any EU, Ep 1 and 2, JA, etc. discussions in the Off Topic forum, and not in this or any other established thread that does not deal with that subject. And Drakron is correct, I should have stated that K2 will be a PC and X-Box release only. My apologies.

No, K2 will be an XBox exclusive.

There is already a thread discussing a non-Force Adept CRPG. Please continue the discussion there. Thank you. Closed for redundancy.

With KoTOR, PC and International gamers had to wait from July to November in order to get their versions, and even then, the release date wasn't announced until barely before the game hit the shelves. With K2, it would seem that it's gone a step further. While yes, they have always maintained that they were "aiming for a simultaneous release date", at this point it would seem that this was not so. The XBox version has, according to Akari, been ahead of the PC version in development since the very beginning. The delay of the PC version on Bioware's end caused the delay of Obsidian getting the PC coding for K2. LucasArts has been aware of that, and yet, up until last week, they have maintained that they were trying for said simultaneous release date. Rather than being up front with the fans (which, yes, would have started yet another storm of outrage, but at least it would have been known from the beginning) they chose to continue a line of marketing which, at this point, can be construed as being dishonest. Not a good way to treat your fanbase, already jaded by the delayed release to those very same markets by K1. They waited until the rumours about a comprehensive release in December were flying thick, and then came out with the official announcement. I want to believe that they thought that the Xbox fans would be overjoyed, and the PC and International fans would be appeased by the fact that those two versions are still on schedule for the time being. They failed to take into account their promises of "trying for a simultaneous release date", the fact that the Xbox version has been in development longer than the PC and International versions, and the aforementioned let down of the PC and International releases of K1. IMHO, I think the following would have considerably softened the blow: 1. If they had been up front about the disparity in development between the Xbox and PC versions. 2. If they had not said they were aiming for a simultaneous release date at all. 3. If they had clarified that they were aiming for a simultaneous PC and International release date, but it looked like the US Xbox version would be released first. While I understand that very rarely in the gaming industry things go according to plan, I do believe that LA put their foot in their collective mouths with the simultanous release date claims. It should have never been said.

I don't think it's so much the fact that the PC and International versions are coming out on schedule, but the fact that people feel like they've been manipulated and strung along by LucasArts. And I'm sorry to hear that, DJ, but I quite understand it.

Discussions of XBox emulators are not allowed on this forum. However, private messages we don't have much control over.

Heh heh heh, well, I won't delete those, but let's return to the topic.

Topic has been pruned. This thread is for the sole purpose of people venting their frustration over the latest release date announcement. If you don't want to read it, then go to a different thread. Obsidian does not condone, nor ever will condone, the illegal receipt of games (i.e. piracy). Thanks to Akari for posting what he did. It is much appreciated. I have to agree with the poster who said if LA knew that the XBox was so much further along than the PC version, in point of fact, to being actually in development first, why did they from the very beginning promise that they would "try for a simultaneous release date"? Very disappointing. And btw, one nitpicky detail, the actual quote is "LOVE of money is the root of all evil." Almost forgot. The K2 fora will be divided in order to prevent spoilers. K2 will most likely have at least one huge twist in like K1, and I will do my darnedest in order to see that the PC and international gamers will NOT have that ruined for them here at Obsidian.

As stated in the other thread, no other threads will be permitted regarding this subject.

I understand that, Hades. However, this is Obsidian's boards, and as I stated in the first post, insulting companies will not be tolerated, not even in this thread. Saying you're upset and why is fine, but it does not have to and will not be allowed to degenerate into insults.

As there is an identical thread about this in Suggestions, I'm locking due to redundancy.

*sigh* I can't believe I'm admitting this. A minivan.

Walking the line, everyone. If this gets turned into insults agains Obsidian, the thread will be closed.

Well, they're rather closed at the moment....