The Great Phantom

Kreia and the Jedi Masters all say that the Exile can feel the Force through others... It's like living through your kids, and can be unhealthy ...

No, I don't mean Sidious as in plotting. I mean Sidious as a Sith. I understand that a lot of people here think that the "true sith" are a bunch of Nihilus's but that would be dumb since they care nothing for power and just want to satisfy their hunger, that's not very Sith like. When I think of "true Sith" I think of someone like Palpatine who was not trained by Jedi and then fell but was trained by a Sith and was evil to begin with. Yeah, that's the obvious explanation given what Canderous says in K1. If you think about it the Mandalorians were located on the Outer Rim and started their war on the Outer Rim. I'm pretty sure that the "true Sith" contacted them out there to get the ball rolling. My question is did they anticipate Revan finding out about them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm going to say one thing. DUH! The Sith's whole goal is power, and their hunger for it! Palpatine wasn't a True Sith, he was part of an order of convoluted Fools that thought the Force was a limited resource, and should only be used by 2 people to preserve it in the Future. As for the Canderous thing: I've already said this, but people NEVER listen to me...

Malak held to the Sith Code, Traya served her own 'insanity'... Just saying. :ph34r:

Atton killed Jedi, well. Actually, he said that he hurt them (a lot), then killed them. But, one day, a Jedi woman (I wonder how he hurts the Jedi again? ) found him, showed him the Force, etc.

They sorta kinda almost got the shape right... Hey, you only use it once, so it's not like there was a battle with them. THAT would have bugged me, with the slight incontinuity... I'll let slight errors be, and pretend that the Valley of the Dark Lords is in the right shape... Oh, well, videogames are never perfect...

Use it on the Lords, and only a Marauder (2, usually) can even touch them. It's quite slow, but REALLY funny. If you play it right, then you can jump out and use Storm. If it's a 1 hit kill, your lightsaber remains unactivated, so you Storm, then restealth before anybody realizes your there. Just be sure that nobody is right beyond the wall, or they get hit with it, and come after you...

It's supposed to be a sky blue blankie? Now I know what I did wrong...

YES, MORE!

I prefer Sentinal/Lord, just so I can go stealth, Force Confusion, and watch as the Sith Code does its job (Survival of the Strongest)

You try to figure out which dialogue option will gain you the most influence with your parents. :ph34r:

Nihilus could have been a Sith, or still is... I think that what we may see in Kotor III will be an army of Nihilus like entities, only ARMIES of them... Notice the Atris Holocrons keep referring to Jedi... Just pointing this out...

Nihilus is dead. "Nihilus was a beast that revived himself on Malachor V." Perhaps he was a Jedi or Dark Jedi that found a way to feed on peoples' connection with the Force, sucking both Life and the Force out of them. This is because he has to fill in BOTH gaps, whereas the Exile only fills in one. This would also make it necessary for him to do it, or suffer and die. I say that he feeds on whatever connection the Force has with Life because he tries to do it to the Exile, but can't. Visas also elaborates on this. The Exile cut himself off right after the Malachor Tragedy. He bonded with most of his army, and felt all of them die, like when Kreia had her hand cut off. BUT, this was death, and thousands of times over. Like a NORMAL man, he disposed of what was hurting him: His connection to the Force. However, he did it differently. When the Jedi cut people off from the Force, they build a PERMANENT wall of light around them. The Exile RIPPED himself clear of it, and created a vacuum, like when you pull a plug out of a bathtub. These are my ideas, and they are supported throughout the game... I may have missed a few details, so feel free to point out any inconsistencies and I'll try to fix them with more in game proof. :ph34r: :ph34r:

She sees a graveyard world if you ask for the Mask. Otherwise, he's 'just a man'... Perhaps his mask is a symbol of his long-gone humanity...

I like Kotor III: The Unknown Empire, now that I think about it... How about Kotor III: Hidden Empire... ???

The Exile lost ALL connections, whereas normal people like Kyle Katarn keep subconcious ties to it. He 'ripped' himself out of it, and needs to be around a Force Sensitive to bond with, so that he, once again, has access to the Force through them. (Kreia says that he feels the Force through others, as do the Masters)

Mandalorian 'space' could be considered Dxun, as that was their HQ in the Mandalorian Wars...

Here's more elaboration on why Revan might want him dead. He's the leader of the Echani, and the greatest of the Echani can predict the outcome of a battle before it starts. He fought alongside Revan, and has seen his true nature. Revan possibly did not want either of these used against him, plus the Echani are warriors.

He was the King of Echani, so to speak...

That's how I killed her! She can hurt them, but they don't die...

How would you like to become the Captain??? I think that your final statement was partly because of their bond, and how anybody around the Exile was literally DYING to serve him, because of their bonds. Her logic was flawed, as stated blatantly by virtually EVERY key Jedi and Sith, and her methods echoed her flawed-ness (What would the term be, flawdidity?). She started off with brilliant inspiration (How the Jedi were restricting the very humanity of their Order), but her constant torment by pretty much EVERY living thing twisted her goals and ways, until she was the Traya we all know. @ Zilod: You said it was out of context, but things in the Message Screen aren't uncontext-able. If it says that, then that is what is going on. She did it, she knew she did it, and it fit one of her many purposes.

wait this is out of context, she is telling that after Exile failture on dantooine when he turned out to be just a murderer.... She almost kill the exile saying that something like "you learned nothing" "you are responsable for all of this and even now events will lead to the destraction because you where unable to listen, to undertand" "of all i said you have not learnt to listen.." "you where my only last hope the only one that chould change the future" then she speak about the echoes that the Exile created and she says "If the echoes do not stop, then all that hear them will or be deafened." and then something like "chose the right moment, create the right echo and all shall be destroyed" she is not explaining her plans.... she is blaming the exile because he haven't understand what she taught him! all of this will result in the destruction of the galaxy, and this will be the gift the exile have brought to the galaxy... she doesn't want that to happen and in the end she says to the exile that he must awaken and hear these echoes and stop them or all will be destroyed. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HA! I CAUGHT YOU IN YOUR OWN GAME! It is played during the Loading screen, along with the message that says "Nihilus was revived on Malachor V"... HA!

This is a DIRECT quote from the game: "If the echoes do not stop, then all that hear them will or be deafened." DIRECT quote. This was Kreia's goal: DEAFENED or DEATH. Granted, there were side effects, like the Exile's Training, etc., but in the End, all of her plans make for this. All the deaths of the Jedi, the continuing Echoes of Malachor V, and Nihilus and Sion's death would have been enough to do this, if the Exile had not stopped them with Kreia's death. It's sorta like in The Core, where you have to fire several nukes at key points, to cause enough ripples. BUT, one wrong one in the right place (Kreia's Death) will send them all spinning out of 'wack', making them valuless. Kreia's reference to the Exile's Eyes is because of the fact that he tore himself away. Once again, she fails to realize that he is a paradox, and isn't normal by ANY means. Since you like quoting the Teachings of Traya so much, here's one for you. "You did it because you had to." She says this at a key point, and she also tells you previously that all the combined echoes, felt on such a level as all of your bonds, would have killed the Exile, or caused him to pull a Nihilus (or something to that effect). As for the Jedi at Malachor V, any ships too close to the planet were destroyed; Mandalorian and Republic alike. This was, indeed, Revan's way of cleaning house. ONLY those whose loyalties were in question were sent that close to the planet. I'm not sure if it was coincidence that the Exile would be the one to detonate the 'bomb'. Perhaps Revan wondered what would happen if all those bonded to the Exile died in a close proximity to him... All of these deaths fed Malachor V, giving it power. I'll elaborate more later.

Bao's a Zabrak, and Kreia herself says that Alien minds work different than humans, like they're on a different 'frequency'.

'Cavalry' hold the discussion. I'll be back later!

That is why he needs to feed on living things connection through the Force. He cuts off whatever connection the Force has with Life, and sucks them both. The Exile only reaches through others into the Force... Off-topic: Is it bad if the smell of gasoline in my house is so bad I have a headache?