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It did stroke my ego opening up that section he had not opened yet.

There were No romances in PS:T, Biowaresque or otherwise. Get that through your thick, stubborn skull already. Edit: Well, unless of course, your definition of Romances in pre-2000 video games is: "omg omg omg. Ravel Loves my toon, therefore, PS:T has romances." Well? Is it? Um...why wouldn't it be? It is a romantic story element in any case. If that counts then, as I have said 100x in this thread, then PoE may yet have a romance. If what you want is Bioware romances it will not. That is that.

Nah I think it depends on the Dragon's territory. Maybe a few that live underground cannot fly but I bet most of them can.

Wow they actually finished that? Huh. I may have to try that sometime.

Of course his arguments are invalid. If they were not we would not be disagreeing with him. I love the 'Capitalist' point of view as if this is some huge corporation and not a company making a niche game. Everyway we can spin this to paint Obsidian is evil is being deployed, even ridiculous political and economic ideological garbage. We want Obsidian to make money so they can invest in more games. Period.

The reason I am jumping on you is your accusations are empty, your facts are wrong, and furthermore I want Obsidian to make a lot of money on this so I reject your entire premise. Part of the reason I backed this game was so that Obsidian could make 100% profit on any sales. I am completely 100% your enemy on this point. The last thing I want to see is some revolt against Obsidian undermining them at this important juncture. Further you are a backer so you already got the game at a discount. If you have a problem with the price, it will be onsale at some point. If Obsidian wants to give you an explanation that is up to them but I have every right and justification to disagree with you.

Does it really matter Stun?

I do not hate Bioware. They just are not making games for people like me anymore and that's fine, they don't owe me anything. DA:I does sound like it was excellent but had a bad ending which is a bummer. But I was not aware combat had changed any since DA:O

You, sir, are a champion of the people.

Not sure what 'fetish' means in this context. A poster said the pricing was unethical, you agreed, and I disagreed there were any ethical issues. An accusation of being unethical is a pretty serious accusation. And I have seen plenty of products with 200% margins so no the cost of development is not directly tied to the price. EA makes all those sports games they sink as little money as possible into and still charge AAA prices for because they are cash cows. There is no obligation to only sell for a certain margin level. I never claimed it was priced on whatever they feel like, it is priced on what the going rates for games are. It is not a fact Obsidian is overpriced PoE, all other Kickstarter games have been priced the same way. It is your opinion, one I disagree strongly with. One of the things we were excited about during the kickstarter is that Obsidian stood to make all profit during the sale of the game (which they will not as they have invested their own money in the project) so they could invest that money in making more of these games.

They turned Dragon Age into a shooter? I guess I was wise to stop after Origins.

I never said anything about ethics, I was talking about economy. The price of a new product is always correlated with the development costs in any product (not only games). If lowering price would be only for increase of sells then there would be lower price from the get go. You just don't know what you talk about. There are economical models of pricing the product in a timeline and all of them take investments costs in to consideration. obsidian can price their game as they want. But I as a consumer can judge whether the price is acceptable or not. There is a clear line between making profit and being greedy. Pricing a practically indie game that have little to no production cost that need to be paid back at the same range as an AAA title with millions of investment is way over the profit land and deeply into greedy territory in my humble opinion. You never said anything about ethics but it is all about ethics? They need the money for salaries and future development. I think your case about greed is paper thin. Companies already know what they are going to invest based on the market price for games, they do not do it the other way around.

In the Bioware sense? No. Kind of glad we cannot.

I did not enjoy myself in Original Sin's first town and since the towns are usually my favorite part of a game I thought that was a bad sign. I will revisit it sometime though

Well said reckneckdevil I agree completely.

I completely agree with this. one of the factors in pricing a new product (like games) is to get return of investment. Then, when the investment is returned you can lower the price. In case of PoE there is no investment (or very little) to be returned. All sold copies will be almost pure profit and I see no reason for PoE to be priced at the same price range of AAA titles with huge budgets. I mean in my country the retail version of PoE will be more expensive than my Witcher 3 preorder! This is greed pure and simple. Game companies are not non-profit organizations who have an ethical requirement to recover costs and no more. The reason the price gets lowered is to get more sales not because some ethical requirement has been reached. Even if a return on investment has not been achieved the price will come down, they are completely unrelated. Obsidian should sell this game for precisely what the market says it is worth.

Yeah people Paradox is not EA, they are probably not that much bigger than Obsidian. Hardly a sugar daddy.

The thoughts of the Lord of Rivendell would be beyond my mortal mind anyway. But I meant 'you' as anybody reading my post not just you.

That is what Obsidian meant when they said 'no romances' though. So if you are thinking they meant 'no romances at all' then that was not what they were saying. At least this is what I think on the matter.

Yep. This will not happen. But there will probably be romance.

Yep. When the whole "PS:T had romances" thing got going I said that, in that case, PoE may yet have them after all.

There's no such thing as an unrequited romance. That's like saying "this is a solo duet!" You're discussing love. Don't confuse the two terms. Who are you, the Webster's English Dictionary? Semantics are the last refuge of a scoundrel, don't go there.

So I am done with Darkest Dungeon for now, having checked all the caretakers' boxes, so now back to Skyrim to try to win it before PoE comes out. I enjoy the Elder Scrolls but man they make me long for real RPGs from time to time. So I had just won the Civil War thing and was back in Solitude to do the next part of the main quest and decided to go visit the Jarl to say 'we won, when's the coronation?' but no acknowledgement at all. Meh. Then I prepared for a stealthy social mission only to have a dragon swoop down right before I could start. Meh. Open World games have no sense of dramatic tension or storytelling.

He was busy.

Yes but at the sometime there were not romances Bioware style. So maybe there will be elements like this in PoE.