Meshugger

Removing Ghadaffi was a mistake.

Half-hearted, feeble retort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OthKVyLRndc TL;DW: Mr posh British has not even grasped the situation.

Illuminati mayonnaise, Jewish mayonnaise, Jewish Illuminati mayonnaise, Templar mayonnaise or Alien mayonnaise? I forgot which ones reign over your government. Unrelated, is there such a thing as imbecile mayonnaise? Low-fat mayonnaise.

Because heretic implies that there's only one true religion or doctrine, of which all must follow in the land, which in turn is taboo in western, secular society. We are civilized now and use words like "racist", "homophobic" or "misogynist" instead. Get with the times already.

Bah, you're hopeless. Just sit tight and wait for your Muad'Dib, the Kwisatz-Haderach (from the west of course) to set you guys straight. ....with lots of Sufi of course.

Don't feel shame; just recognize it as junk food only to be eaten rarely. That actually looks really good; maybe I'll get some KFC on Thanks Giving. It's easy to understand why people would sometimes eat something that is delicious but terrible for you. What I don't understand is how anybody could look at that thing and think it looks delicious in any conceivable way. Wow, I thought I was the only one who threw up in his mouth a little upon seeing that... thing. You have obviously never encountered the local cousine at a truck-stop in Mississippi, be glad you haven't.

Instead of the west converting to Islam, why can't the east abolish all that intolerant wahabbi-BS and convert to Sufi instead? Why are you guys so ignorant when you can worship idols, meditate on what God is and dance yourself drunk like those dervishes instead. It would be peace in our times. Qistina, please see the light. Throw away your hate, embrace Sufi and you will probably meet a nice western trucker, with a big beard who will not be afraid to kiss you on the middle of the street and hold your hand.

Now that's ****posting! troll/10

The scando/nordic countries (well, except Sweden maybe) does not have the same amount muslims compared to continental Europe so either you are unwittingly admitting that the best course is not to little to no muslims in the western world or you can throw the argument out of the window. I cannot tell about the swedes except for that their anti-immigration party has risen from nothing to polling as the largest within 10 years. As for kids throwing rocks at police and firemen needing police assistance, Sweden being the rape-capital in Europe, Stockholm having the more murders than Helsinki, Copenhagen and Oslo combined, they can answer that by themselves. What i am talking about are countries like UK, France, Belgium, Germany and The Netherlands (Russia i cannot tell since the media and the news coming from there manipulated by Realpolitik), where we have second and third generation of muslims living in their own societies, which constantly growing with with middle eastern problems, which spill into the host nations as fancy stuff like rape and terrorism at worst. Qistina is being stupid as always with her thinking it is a superficial problem with clothes and race when the problem lies much deeper, as in their fundemental philosophy, of which she conveniently fails to adress. That's why i want some sensible solutions than something empty such as "cooperation!" (how, on what shared values?) or "convert!" (lol, **** off already).

Remove Finland from the equation as we have had a miniscule influx of refugees to have any effect on society so far. Also, fix the formatting, it's difficult to read.

lol, you're not even trying anymore. Can someone else try to figure out any long-term solution for the current problem? Because Qistina offers nothing more than guarantees for a future war.

Well, based on Qistina's answers (and terrible attempts to deflect and shift goal posts) i can safely assume that she provides no workable solutions. Anyone else?

Yes it is impossible for Muslims to eat non-halal foods, drinking alcohol, freesex and all those sinful things. No matter European or not. BUT most things in Islam are just EASTERN culture not really Islamic. Peace can only be achieve if you have more European and especially WHITE Muslim scholars who know your own people and western values. Today you don't have it. So eastern imams keep imposing eastern culture into Europe and thst's create conflict. For example, having beards and wearing turban is NOT islamic, it just Arabic culture. You can wear coat being an Imam and shaved, no problem... I already told you what the western values were in my earlier post, of which have to be included into Islam in Europe for it to be compatible with modern western culture. That would be what the white imam's would be preaching. Would that kind of 'Islam' be considered heretical to the point of apostacy for other muslims? If so, why bother then and not just agree on that each civilization should go their separate ways and just trade with each other? nononono...look at Malaysian Imams...yes there are some who wear turban and beard, but not all...this is a Grand Mufti of Malaysia, he doesn't look like Arabs, he look like Malays, wearing the "songkok" (malay men headress) and "baju melayu" (Malaysian national dress), he's respected by Muslims here...his name is Dato' Harussani Zakaria, still serve as Grand Mufti of Perak (a state in Malaysia) being a Muslim don't throw away your identity, so western Muslims don't have to be Arabs and thats makes Europeans easier on European Muslims. I am not talking about funny costumes and beards, I am talking about basic western values. Answer my previous question. Eating pork, drink alcohol, gambling, freesex...all these are not western values...Chinese communists do the same, Indians do the same, Russians also do the same...what is "western value" anyway? Eating pork is western value? Lol, non-Muslim Chinese in my country eating pork... Don't be selective, nor deflective now dear, or soon i will give you a spanking. All modern values are western values, as you may well be aware. I am also talking about the concept of original sin/man as a fallen angel-ethos. This is incredibly important to the mindset in Europe, meaning that you have to peacefully make amends and regret what you have done to elevate yourself for salvation. In Islam you have wage war and die as a martyr to get the same salvation. How on earth could that kind of value ever make sense here?

Yes it is impossible for Muslims to eat non-halal foods, drinking alcohol, freesex and all those sinful things. No matter European or not. BUT most things in Islam are just EASTERN culture not really Islamic. Peace can only be achieve if you have more European and especially WHITE Muslim scholars who know your own people and western values. Today you don't have it. So eastern imams keep imposing eastern culture into Europe and thst's create conflict. For example, having beards and wearing turban is NOT islamic, it just Arabic culture. You can wear coat being an Imam and shaved, no problem... I already told you what the western values were in my earlier post, of which have to be included into Islam in Europe for it to be compatible with modern western culture. That would be what the white imam's would be preaching. Would that kind of 'Islam' be considered heretical to the point of apostacy for other muslims? If so, why bother then and not just agree on that each civilization should go their separate ways and just trade with each other? nononono...look at Malaysian Imams...yes there are some who wear turban and beard, but not all...this is a Grand Mufti of Malaysia, he doesn't look like Arabs, he look like Malays, wearing the "songkok" (malay men headress) and "baju melayu" (Malaysian national dress), he's respected by Muslims here...his name is Dato' Harussani Zakaria, still serve as Grand Mufti of Perak (a state in Malaysia) being a Muslim don't throw away your identity, so western Muslims don't have to be Arabs and thats makes Europeans easier on European Muslims. I am not talking about funny costumes and beards, I am talking about basic western values. Answer my previous question.

Yes it is impossible for Muslims to eat non-halal foods, drinking alcohol, freesex and all those sinful things. No matter European or not. BUT most things in Islam are just EASTERN culture not really Islamic. Peace can only be achieve if you have more European and especially WHITE Muslim scholars who know your own people and western values. Today you don't have it. So eastern imams keep imposing eastern culture into Europe and thst's create conflict. For example, having beards and wearing turban is NOT islamic, it just Arabic culture. You can wear coat being an Imam and shaved, no problem... I already told you what the western values were in my earlier post, of which have to be included into Islam in Europe for it to be compatible with modern western culture. That would be what the white imam's would be preaching. Would that kind of 'Islam' be considered heretical to the point of apostacy for other muslims? If so, why bother then and not just agree on that each civilization should go their separate ways and just trade with each other?

What i mean is, you produce your own European Islamic scholars, that's the only way. Surely white Imam is more pleasing to look at for you than the angry looking bearded Middle Eastern, Pakistan, black imams in your country isn't it? Unless you want to conduct holocoust on Muslims, this is the only way... So you say that it is impossible for muslims in Europe to accept non-halal meat, Jihad not being the salvation for the wicked, eating pork, drinking alcohol, women, gays and pagans being equal to anyone else before the law? Holocaust sounds silly, why not compromise? Peaceful repartriation of muslims to the muslim homelands with various economic incentives and trade peacefully? That way war should be war would be avoided in the long run.

So the answer for removing islamic extremism is to convert and make Europe more islamic? lol You are sowing the seeds of balkanisation and civil war without knowing it.

Convert to Islam...problem solved... Europeans need Europeans ulama', Islamic sholars, you don't have that, it is a problem. For now islamic scholars in your country are imported from outside, who know their allegience are, maybe they are terrorist supporter, or extremists, or heretics, who would know? So you need Islamic scholars of your own, from your people, the ones who understand your culture, your politic, your values. You can sent Muslims of your country to may country and lern moderate islam as you may call it, when they come home to you, they will be islamic scholar in your place with moderate view of islam, not an extremist...as a bonus they are more understand Europeans. They also can become mediator between you and other Muslims who come to your place, refugees for example So Europe should expand from its pagan/christian heritage and become islamic. How progressive of you.

I do have several solutions and ideas, remember I have been studying the Middle East for years and I have worked extensively in the ME so I consider myself well informed Is that your concern, just to clear. Someone immigrating to Finland ....hating the West and then attacking Finland or indoctrinating his children? Please be honest so I can give you the best response Let me guess: more quotas, a more heterogenous society, more forced tolerance, more restriction on speech in real life and online, essentially undermining any trust or common bond that could keep a society together without a repressive government. Thus, making Europe more like the Middle East than Europe before in order to keep it together. But I am all ears, please tell me what solutions that i might've missed.

So, anyone got any long term solution for this problem with homegrown terrorists? Compared to most in their host nations, they do not believe that their religion is just one of many and that it is equal to everyone to just switch one as they see fit. They are not afraid to die, while normal people in the host nations are so. The host nations have the concept of original sin instilled in their way of life, constantly awaiting forgiveness from any figure in authority, while the terrorists are instilled with the concept of dying in Jihad, which will give them a ticket straight to heaven, no matter what they have done before. For these values is quite a few ready to kill for, while a lot of others agree symphetatically as the base values are the same. These values are then bred to their children and the generation that follows them. So, any solutions? Or are we going to see a civil war in our lifetimes in europe? //EDIT: I sense a latent sexual masochism in Qistina's posts, which seems to bubble up now and then. But i guess we should let that slide for now...

Brussels now under lock-down. http://6abc.com/news/belgium-on-high-alert-hunting-heavily-armed-individuals/1094192/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/12010302/Brussels-Belgium-terror-alert-on-Sunday-as-Paris-manhunt-goes-on-live.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1448219671

Don't worry guys, we're heading in the right direction. Within a generation, we only have our thoughts private (maybe) and don't need to discuss these things at all: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

Who is Oby? i have a lot of pictures and videos on my Facebook, no need to show them here lol, i do not believe you for one bit. Feel free to PM if you're a bit prude about it. i don't know if you can watch this video, but i post here anyway...this is me playing guitar on my Facebook https://www.facebook.com/100002105943403/videos/vob.100002105943403/893499857396871/?type=2&theater That's not sexy. In other news, here's greetings from the arch-bishop of Mosul: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.de/2014/08/archbishop-of-mosul-i-have-lost-my.html?m=1

Who is Oby? i have a lot of pictures and videos on my Facebook, no need to show them here lol, i do not believe you for one bit. Feel free to PM if you're a bit prude about it.

Oh, i do not care about politics surrounding propaganda, mememagick or whatnot in this case. But i do know that women love feeling sexy, being lusted for and getting the attention from it. "Empowering" as some feminists are calling it, when it is the rush of being desirable by a man. So cards are on the table; either you deliver or I am going to continue to think that you're Oby's alter-ego.