Gilded Enmity not stacking with Robust

[KDubya]

Gilded Enmity is the Goldpact paladins special sworn enemy it adds +4 armor until target killed or you take damage.

 

The upgraded "Greater Lay on hands" adds the "Robust" Inspiration for +5 Con, healing and +4 armor.

 

When both are active you only get +4 armor not +8 armor.

 

Feature or Bug?

[dunehunter]

A lot buff doesn't to stack, I feel this is not coincident.

 

One thing make me sad is Weapon modal doesn't stack with buff/spell. For example Dagger parrying blade is suppressed by Mirror Image.

[KDubya]

To expand on armor buffs not stacking:

 

Gilded Enmity overwrites the +4 armor from Berserker Frenzy which adds 'Hardy'

 

Gilded Enmity does stack with the +2 armor from Inspired defenses though

[dunehunter]

After looking at the description of Wizard Spell IronSkin, actually....Gilded Enemy is just a minor version of IronSkin, with a fancy golden spray on it...

[AndreaColombo]

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for it not to stack with Hardy.

 

I understand two different effects that bestow Hardy wouldn't stack, but a Goldpact Knight's Sworn Enemy just adds a non-denominational +4 Armor Rating. It's absolutely unobvious that they wouldn't stack.

 

As it stands, Goldpact Knight/Berserker is a worse solution than any other Paladin order/Berserker combination.

[zealotstim]

Gilded enmity should stack with everything considering you are giving up your auras for this.

[Boeroer]

Everything should stack as long as it's not the same inspiration. Gilded Emnity also doesn't stack with Spirit Shield.

[AndreaColombo]

Gilded enmity should stack with everything considering you are giving up your auras for this.

 

According to the latest stream, this will no longer be the case in the upcoming backer beta update.

 

However, my concern in this case is with internal consistency and clarity of the rules.

 

You know your stacking rules are good when they're immediately obvious to your players. You know your UI is good when it's informative and unambiguous. If I can learn that a Goldpact Knight/Berserker is a poor choice before I roll one, the UI is doing its job*. Right now, I have to roll one and find myself with two core abilities that don't stack for seemingly no reason in order to learn about it.

 

*Granted, if this combo was not poorer than other Paladin/Barbarian combos, the game's rules would also be doing theirs.

 

You can roll a Devoted/Berserker and stack penetration to +7, but you can't roll a Goldpact Knight/Berserker and stack Armor Rating to +8. This is inconsistent.

 

As Boeroer says, everything should stack unless it's the same Inspiration or Affliction. The Goldpact Knight's non-denominational bonus should stack with Hardy and Robust.

 

Then we can discuss balance if we think it's too powerful—after we've tested it, that is. But we need the UI to be unambiguous and the rules to be consistent.

Edited December 15, 2017 by AndreaColombo

[dunehunter]

Hmmm on the other hand, if Gilded Enemy stack with Hardy, we will see a lot Goldpact/Berserker running around naked but have super high armor, not a bad thing, but funny

 

I personally rather Gilded Enemy works like beetle shell but moveable. So it absorbs certain amount of damage before breaks, sounds cooler to me.

 

Damage absorbing is easier to control too, they can make it scale with power level more easily.

Edited December 15, 2017 by dunehunter