Volourn Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 It's not believeable. The actress doesn't sell it. The show TELLS us that Arya is now a 'badass' but I ain't buying what she is selling. How she killed Trant (or whatever his name) was believable. Her going toe to toe in a striaght up sword fight is not in any way shape or form believeable. Dragons existing in real life would be more believeable. 1 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 It's that awkward balance. Her being fluid and deft and graceful being able to dodge and sidestep the blows, that's believable. Her opponent having trouble hitting her, again believable because all of her opponents have been of almost equal size to her, so suddenly trying to hit someone half their height will throw her off somewhat. The quick snap attacks with Needle to Brienne's hand or knee, believable enough when you have contrasting styles of knight hack-and-slash versus agile fencing. What wasn't believable was the blocking moments. Even if she was deflecting the blows more than blocking, that size / weight / strength mismatch would have beaten her down more. You needed more of the kicks that knocked her on her ass. For the devil's advocate, I suppose you could also posit that Brienne wouldn't have been attacking with full strength during the first half of that sparring match, because she's a trained swordswoman teaching a much younger, not fully grown lady she's sworn to, and you don't leap in at full strength combat when you don't know how good your trainee actually is. "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Didn't a water dancer kick Jorah's ass ages ago The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Didn't a water dancer kick Jorah's ass ages ago Wasn't that a fully grown and trained for decades Water Dancer? The issue of believability with Arya vs Brienne is more that she doesn't have the physical strength to compare. It doesn't matter if you have the reflexes and skill to put your blade in the way in the right angle to deflect an incoming blow.. if that blow is ridiculously strong and heavy compared to what you can handle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxdxcy6dYs Also for the random interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE2wcBeyNdk Edited August 11, 2017 by Raithe "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 It's not believeable. The actress doesn't sell it. The show TELLS us that Arya is now a 'badass' but I ain't buying what she is selling. How she killed Trant (or whatever his name) was believable. Her going toe to toe in a striaght up sword fight is not in any way shape or form believeable. Dragons existing in real life would be more believeable. It's that awkward balance. Her being fluid and deft and graceful being able to dodge and sidestep the blows, that's believable. Her opponent having trouble hitting her, again believable because all of her opponents have been of almost equal size to her, so suddenly trying to hit someone half their height will throw her off somewhat. The quick snap attacks with Needle to Brienne's hand or knee, believable enough when you have contrasting styles of knight hack-and-slash versus agile fencing. What wasn't believable was the blocking moments. Even if she was deflecting the blows more than blocking, that size / weight / strength mismatch would have beaten her down more. You needed more of the kicks that knocked her on her ass. For the devil's advocate, I suppose you could also posit that Brienne wouldn't have been attacking with full strength during the first half of that sparring match, because she's a trained swordswoman teaching a much younger, not fully grown lady she's sworn to, and you don't leap in at full strength combat when you don't know how good your trainee actually is. Guys it shouldnt be difficult to imagine Arya defeating someone like Brienne or most people in one on one combat. She was trained at the House of the Faceless Man, she has skills that are not normal and this makes her deadly to most people "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Also to be fair, Maisie Williams is naturally right-handed, so you have to give her props for developing her left hand over the years playing Arya. "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I don't give her any credit outside of she is a kid. She is not believeable in this 'bad ass role'. It is not believeable that she can go toe to toe with Brienne striaght up. Use one of her 'facs' to sneak up on her and murder her from behind? Sure. Straight up melee? No way. And, Williams fails in making me believe it. That is poor acting because some child actors have made it believeable that they can go toe to toe with adults but not her not this time. Pure fan servicing. Pure garbage. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Guys it shouldnt be difficult to imagine Arya defeating someone like Brienne or most people in one on one combat. She was trained at the House of the Faceless Man, she has skills that are not normal and this makes her deadly to most people Physics work in Westeros pretty much like they do here. In the books as well as in the show, so there's that. There's no way Arya can block a blow from Brienne with a regular sword - let alone with Needle, in the same way you couldn't actively block a car running you over. But that's a fairly common problem in movies and shows. There's often a 45 kilogram tiny woman dual wielding Desert Eagles or going toe to toe in a martial arts fight with enemies twice their mass at comparative skill levels and coming out on top. It's not that smaller, more agile fighters wouldn't be able to win, just not in the way shown on screen - unless that's the whole point, like Bronn vs. Ser Vardis back in Season 1 - although their builds were much more similar than Arya and Brienne, obviously. So Volo is right after a fashion. Arya's still awesome and a badass but Volo can't jump over his shadow and all that... No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah she doesn't look lethal at all. Also what was the cave painting scene for. Like we need more foreboding about the bloody ice zombies at this point. Crippled Stark is boring as hell. Please no more flashbacks or flash-forwards, or flash-sideways. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah she doesn't look lethal at all. Also what was the cave painting scene for. Like we need more foreboding about the bloody ice zombies at this point. Is that a rhetoric question? Because the "we have to stand together or all is lost" symbolism was a bit on the nose and all. *shrug* I wonder what would have happened if the humans in those cave painting knew that the CotF created the White Wankers in the first place. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Yeah she doesn't look lethal at all. Also what was the cave painting scene for. Like we need more foreboding about the bloody ice zombies at this point. Is that a rhetoric question? Because the "we have to stand together or all is lost" symbolism was a bit on the nose and all. *shrug* I wonder what would have happened if the humans in those cave painting knew that the CotF created the White Wankers in the first place. Guys she doesnt look lethal because she is a 20 young women with a babyface....she is cute and its hard to change her to the point where now she becomes intimidating ? But in the books her appearance would be different and more lethal Also if we going debate the point around physics I would say we have no idea what she is capable of based on the narrative in the books. I will defer to the books on what she can or cant do Edited August 11, 2017 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Just sayin', it's waaaay past just getting on with the ice zombie progression. I mean, seasonal differences in westeros vis a vis real earth notwithstanding winter has been comming for 6 and a half years. They needed a scene where Daenerys starts to get it, the majestic music was completely off the mark, it was like they just failed to create suspense or Epos, or whatever they were going for. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blodhemn Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Why care so much about realism in a show about dominant women and dragons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Well, the dragon looks like it could kick ass. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Why care so much about realism in a show about dominant women and dragons? It's not about realism in the show vs. real life but about realism in terms of internal consistency, and that's been lacking this season, due to a number of factors. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 To be fair the stunt work is not that stellar in any of the major fights. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blodhemn Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 To be fair the stunt work is not that stellar in any of the major fights.Yeah. Fights/battles have always seemed like an afterthought/cheap/plot device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Why care so much about realism in a show about dominant women and dragons? It's not about realism in the show vs. real life but about realism in terms of internal consistency, and that's been lacking this season, due to a number of factors. Yep, verisimilitude. To be honest it's lacked whenever they've either not had book material or deviated significantly from it so not just this season. I can criticise George Martin for being a pedestrian writer, but his writing is probably the best for internal consistency I've seen (unlike, say, Malazan) so when they've followed his stuff they haven't had to worry about consistency. If you actually spend any time thinking about some of the distances and timings involved in just the battles the last seasons you find that people literally have to teleport for it to make internal sense eg Euron this and Littlefinger last. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 I heard the expression once - "if you're writing about dragons, you better get the horses right". You can go crazy with the fantasy elements, but anything pertaining or relating to reality, better be as close to it as possible (or at least explained properly) If you don't, then all rules might as well be out the window - why can't Cercei fly when she wants to? It's not a show about realism after all. 1 Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blodhemn Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Not buying the physics nor tactics, so I can't take your flying dragons seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 We are never going to see anything like this again. It's all going to be CGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giNu19c02vY 1 Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Physics work in Westeros pretty much like they do here. In the books as well as in the show, so there's that. There's no way Arya can block a blow from Brienne with a regular sword - let alone with Needle, in the same way you couldn't actively block a car running you over. I'll have to go back and rewatch the screne but wasn't Ayra doing more redirecting and dodging than blocking? "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blodhemn Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 First time back watching GoT since 2015, season 5 and it feels like I've barely missed a thing. Thanks to a dredging plot, I can just finish it from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) Dany and Arya continue to be the bane of this show. Why don't they get it over with, and just have Arrya murder Sansa and have it be a 'deserved kill'. Neither one of these are heroes yet that is what the show wants us to believe. Sickening. It is sad that these two are making m cheer CLEAR villains like Littlefinger and Cersei over them. LMAO Also, the one thing this show has been consistent about is that Arya has ALWAYS hated her sister. And, not 'sisterly rivalry' style hate but pure hate. Arya whines about Sansa 'looking down on others' but that is exactly what Arya has ALWAYS done. Plus, her first reaction to people saying not 100% perfectly positive stuff about her boyfriend Jon Snow is 'off with their heads'. COME ON. How much more evil, insane, and satanical can you be. Edited August 14, 2017 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Anyone else feel like this entire season of Game of Thrones is just one really long 'Last time on Game of Thrones...'? So many cutaways and the pace of the show has like quadrupled compared to previous seasons. Not necessarily complaining because it was slow as hell for a while there, but it just feels a little weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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