Politics - Episode 9: The Lurking Fear

[Katphood]

Do you suppose PC correctness and the tolerance meme have become this generation's McCarthyism? It's starting to feel that way. There's a definite witch hunt element to it.

 

I don't have any sources for this one but I heard that Obama deported more foreigners during his presidency compared to any other U.S president that came before him. There is also the fact that he admits in his own words that his behavior towards the republican party was rather conservative from start to finish. Winning the election doesn't mean you can bully the other side and dedicate every single asset of the country to your own vision.

 

Also, Obama Care? Why didn't he name it 'The American Healthcare'?  

Edited August 15, 2017 by Katphood

[Deadly_Nightshade]

Also, Obama Care? Why didn't he name it 'The American Healthcare'? 

 

It's actually named The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, or the Affordable Care Act for short, but people kept using the name 'Obamacare' enough that it stuck and now almost no one remembers the proper name. I usually call it the ACA but have to follow up with 'Obamacare' because no one knows what I'm talking about.

[Katphood]

Just in: Kim craps his pants.

 

 

Show is over fellas, WW3 has been pushed back...again!!!

[Deadly_Nightshade]

But is Guam safe from capsizing?

[Agiel]

Interestingly enough the run-up to Operation Linebacker I  that was launched in response to the PAVN's "Easter Offensive" into South Vietnam called for a grand total of 210 B-52s to be allocated for the campaign to airbases in Thailand and Guam, about half of the B-52s that were under SAC at the time. The large number of bombers that were swamping Andersen AFB's taxiways made one 8th Air Force planner to remark: "We kept waiting for the northern end of the island to sink."

Edited August 15, 2017 by Agiel

[Chilloutman]

A woman had just been killed and he said 'violence on many sides' like the Nazis and the counter protesters were somehow the same.

Maybe I read too much into it but didn't he want to point out that both sides should shut up? I don't know but Barkley's riots were few weeks ago where it was other side rioting. I think he is completely right about 'violence on many sides'. Doesn't sounds anyhow wrong to me...

[Katphood]

North Korea's missile success...brought to you by *drum roll* Ukraine!

[Malcador]

Sounds like State department people did their job. Well that it wasn't going to happen anyway, even with Trump's bull****ting

Edited August 15, 2017 by Malcador

[Malcador]

 

A woman had just been killed and he said 'violence on many sides' like the Nazis and the counter protesters were somehow the same.

Maybe I read too much into it but didn't he want to point out that both sides should shut up? I don't know but Barkley's riots were few weeks ago where it was other side rioting. I think he is completely right about 'violence on many sides'. Doesn't sounds anyhow wrong to me...

It's the timing. Trying to condemn everyone right after an attempt of mass murder can be taken as some kind of "what about.." ploy and thus be shielding the one side that people know like him. Much like anything you hear in a corporate environment, always are games in words.

 

Given his past comments, kind of blew on an easy win by just condemning Nazis and KKK folk.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Malcador

[smjjames]

Sounds like State department people did their job. Well that it wasn't going to happen anyway, even with Trump's bull****ting

 

I wouldn't count it out. Trump could still overreact to something and he very well could try something in an attempt to distract from everything and make people praise him.

[Malcador]

Maybe he'll have another meeting where the cabinet praise him

[Wrath of Dagon]

National Socialism vs International Socialism: http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2017/08/nazisms-marxist-roots.html

[Ben No.3]

National Socialism vs International Socialism: http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2017/08/nazisms-marxist-roots.html

so... the involved KKK members and the involved alt-right members were actually Nazis? And those were actually Marxist?

 

I really do not know why this idea is so popular that national socialism and classical socialism somehow are related. Is it because Mussolini liked Marx? Is it because they called themselves socialists? They catered to the working class.

 

Quick reminder that communists were amongst the most persecuted.

 

Heck, not even Soviet right winged communists, so nationalistic communists or national socialists, if you will, were anywhere near Hitler. Deficit spending doesn't make you a communists.

 

Besides, does a society without a state sound particularly fascist to you? No? That's because it's not. Yet it is a part of the communist dream.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Chilloutman]

 

National Socialism vs International Socialism: http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2017/08/nazisms-marxist-roots.html

so... the involved KKK members and the involved alt-right members were actually Nazis? And those were actually Marxist?

 

I really do not know why this idea is so popular that national socialism and classical socialism somehow are related. Is it because Mussolini liked Marx? Is it because they called themselves socialists? They catered to the working class.

 

ehh what?

[Wrath of Dagon]

Quick reminder that communists were amongst the most persecuted.

By Stalin also. Remember Trotsky?

 

 

Besides, does a society without a state sound particularly fascist to you? No? That's because it's not. Yet it is a part of the communist dream.

But it takes fascism to get there.

 

Charlottesville is what the left wanted all along, just like the Berkeley riots: https://www.city-journal.org/html/avoidable-mayhem-15394.html

Edited August 15, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[smjjames]

 

Quick reminder that communists were amongst the most persecuted.

By Stalin also. Remember Trotsky?

 

 

Besides, does a society without a state sound particularly fascist to you? No? That's because it's not. Yet it is a part of the communist dream.

But it takes fascism to get there.

 

Charlottesville is what the left wanted all along, just like the Berkeley riots: https://www.city-journal.org/html/avoidable-mayhem-15394.html

 

 

Well, Berkeley has a reputation for it, not Charlottesville.

[Ben No.3]

 

Quick reminder that communists were amongst the most persecuted.

By Stalin also. Remember Trotsky?

 

 

Besides, does a society without a state sound particularly fascist to you? No? That's because it's not. Yet it is a part of the communist dream.

But it takes fascism to get there.

 

Charlottesville is what the left wanted all along, just like the Berkeley riots: https://www.city-journal.org/html/avoidable-mayhem-15394.html

 

I remember Trotsky, and I remember Stalin. Under Stalin and in communist dictatorships in general, people whom the state dislikes will be persecuted, regardless of wether they were communists or not. Nazi Germany perseczed communists for being communists. Difference.

 

I'm quite interested what you mean when you say that "it takes fascism to get there" though. Are you referring to the term "dictatorship of the proletariat"? We can have that discussion...

 

As for Berkley, that was wrong. As for Charlottesville, wouldn't have happened without the right. Did the left want it? Maybe in the sense that many left leaning people wanted violent right wingers to expose themselves. But I doubt that the number of scoialists who were wishing to get run over by a car is particularily high.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Ben No.3

[213374U]

National Socialism vs International Socialism: http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2017/08/nazisms-marxist-roots.html

 

 

[Chilloutman]

name one communist regime which was not dictatorship?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

National Socialism vs International Socialism: http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2017/08/nazisms-marxist-roots.html

so... the involved KKK members and the involved alt-right members were actually Nazis? And those were actually Marxist?I really do not know why this idea is so popular that national socialism and classical socialism somehow are related. Is it because Mussolini liked Marx? Is it because they called themselves socialists? They catered to the working class.

ehh what?

 

Hitler was an opprtunist and socialism was popular during the depression.

[Chilloutman]

don't get it, Ben stated that Hitler catered to working class, isn't it root of communism, I mean it was working class here, working class there through communist era in my country.

[Ben No.3]

Great find @KP

 

It says:

 

The Name [of the party]

 

In front of the proletariat ("prolet" is colloquial for proletarian, though today it can also mean someone with bad temper): national SOCIALIST german WORKERS PARTY

 

In front of the [potential donors]: NATIONAL socialist GERMAN workers PARTY

[smjjames]

That first one looks wierd, like he has two thick black chopsticks (or charcoal sticks) stuck up his nose. I don't mean to make light of it, just that it really does look wierd.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

don't get it, Ben stated that Hitler catered to working class, isn't it root of communism, I mean it was working class here, working class there through communist era in my country.

He did, he later purged the social democratic and socialist elements to cater to industrialists. Frankly Hitler quotes are often contradictory with other quotes the best way to gauge him is by his actions which was privitization and union busting.

[Ben No.3]

don't get it, Ben stated that Hitler catered to working class, isn't it root of communism, I mean it was working class here, working class there through communist era in my country.

 The point is that Hitler liked to paint himself as a champoin of the working class in order to gain their support, and in order tomsteal their votes from the communists. Somewhat similarily to how during the 50s the communist party was very strong in France, but by now almost their entire base supports the nationalists. But that makes neither Le Pen nor Hitler communist, and it would be wrong to assume so. Later, Hilter ensured his popular support through large amounts of government spending. But that was more of a pragmatic rather than an ideological move.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Ben No.3