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https://www.yahoo.com/news/iraq-war-veteran-accused-killing-five-ft-lauderdale-014051297.html

 

Police in Alaska last year took a handgun from the man accused of killing five people at Fort Lauderdale's airport on Friday, but returned it to him last month after a medical evaluation found he was not mentally ill, authorities said.

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I see nothing wrong, right to bear arms and all that.

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I'm confused, are you saying there should be stricter gun control or are you saying that gun control doesn't work? It seems to be the former and that's not what I would have expected.

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I'm saying insane people should not be allowed to have guns. And by law if they've been involuntarily committed, they aren't. But something clearly broke down here.

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I'm saying insane people should not be allowed to have guns. And by law if they've been involuntarily committed, they aren't. But something clearly broke down here.

Then we're in agreement.

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Yet clearly he was:

Santiago walked into the office in November and told agents his mind was being controlled by a U.S. intelligence agency.

and from what he did just now. The article is vague, in one place it says he was evaluated and in another place "not adjudicated". My guess is it's the latter, and the reason is no one bothered to adjudicate him, it was easier to just give the gun back.

 

And all the PSD soldiers who are never diagnosed ?

PTSD, not the same thing as insanity, or to be more accurate, paranoid schizophrenia that appears to be this case. Edited by Wrath of Dagon
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Yet clearly he was:

Santiago walked into the office in November and told agents his mind was being controlled by a U.S. intelligence agency.

and from what he did just now. The article is vague, in one place it says he was evaluated and in another place "not adjudicated". My guess is it's the latter, and the reason is no one bothered to adjudicate him, it was easier to just give the gun back.

 

And all the PSD soldiers who are never diagnosed ?

PTSD, not the same thing as insanity, or to be more accurate, paranoid schizophrenia that appears to be this case.

 

WOD is correct, this guy should never have been given his gun back...there was a major breakdown of social and legal responsibilities here

 

But he was suffering from PTSD, this has been confirmed when his brother said since returning from his  Iraq 2011 tour he was never the same 

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Not really strange, standard operating procedure. The reason is no one is responsible for handling these types of cases. The family might do something, but otherwise normally nothing happens.

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And all the PSD soldiers who are never diagnosed ?

PTSD, not the same thing as insanity, or to be more accurate, paranoid schizophrenia that appears to be this case.

 

Not sure what's your point exactly, but it sounds like you're suggesting that schizophrenics are inherently more dangerous than veterans afflicted with PTSD. Because "insanity".

 

I don't have hard evidence that shows that the opposite is true either, but homicides where the perpetrator was a former or active-duty member of the armed forces that was diagnosed with PTSD after the deed are very much a thing. Not something that gets a lot of attention, from what I've gathered, so your opinion is not surprising. If that's what you meant anyway.

 

Old piece, and I feel kind of dirty for linking to NYT, but what can you do: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html?hp

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Well yes, they might commit a crime, but usually not a mass shooting. Anyway, the standard for involuntary commitment is being a danger to yourself or others. So whatever mental condition meets that standard, by law you can't have a gun. We just don't have a system to implement that in most states.

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