kirottu Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 "What door?" Uh oh... Oh no... No no no. God damnit. 2 This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 'Someday' - gotta look out for that phrase from now on. I'm liking the foreshadowing done in the series so far. Also wanna bet Ford is a bot himself? One of the first ones Arnold build or something, who toppled the master and proclaimed himself King 1 Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) "What door?" Uh oh... Oh no... No no no. God damnit. For me it was more... "What door?" I ****ING KNEW IT! "He's been here forever" MY SHINY METAL BEHIND! Edited November 16, 2016 by TrueNeutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 This might sound weird, but for me, the ease of murder for Anthony Hopkins character made him less scary for me. This is much more dreadful, the mystery. What he would do? He could do anything. From there to plain old murder is kinda meh. 1 This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 'Someday' - gotta look out for that phrase from now on. I'm liking the foreshadowing done in the series so far. Also wanna bet Ford is a bot himself? One of the first ones Arnold build or something, who toppled the master and proclaimed himself King Geez, I wonder if you right....that could be true. It would be a huge upset and very applicable "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 'Someday' - gotta look out for that phrase from now on. I'm liking the foreshadowing done in the series so far. Also wanna bet Ford is a bot himself? One of the first ones Arnold build or something, who toppled the master and proclaimed himself King Geez, I wonder if you right....that could be true. It would be a huge upset and very applicable Real spoiler is that Bernard is replica of Arnold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) 'Someday' - gotta look out for that phrase from now on. I'm liking the foreshadowing done in the series so far. Also wanna bet Ford is a bot himself? One of the first ones Arnold build or something, who toppled the master and proclaimed himself King Geez, I wonder if you right....that could be true. It would be a huge upset and very applicable Real spoiler is that Bernard is replica of Arnold That could be another surprise, there are so many exciting possible outcomes it almost boggles the mind But if I had to guess and based on Ford's general comments I am leaning towards Ros theory Edited November 24, 2016 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 'Someday' - gotta look out for that phrase from now on. I'm liking the foreshadowing done in the series so far. Also wanna bet Ford is a bot himself? One of the first ones Arnold build or something, who toppled the master and proclaimed himself King Geez, I wonder if you right....that could be true. It would be a huge upset and very applicable Real spoiler is that Bernard is replica of Arnold No, Ford either is Arnold or they were twins. Arnold might even still be alive, how would one tell them apart? There are no pictures of Arnold because he looks like Robert. Either in the Tyler Durden or in the Alfred Borden way. 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 'Someday' - gotta look out for that phrase from now on. I'm liking the foreshadowing done in the series so far. Also wanna bet Ford is a bot himself? One of the first ones Arnold build or something, who toppled the master and proclaimed himself King Geez, I wonder if you right....that could be true. It would be a huge upset and very applicable Real spoiler is that Bernard is replica of Arnold No, Ford either is Arnold or they were twins. Arnold might even still be alive, how would one tell them apart? There are no pictures of Arnold because he looks like Robert. Either in the Tyler Durden or in the Alfred Borden way. mmmm.....its possible I suppoe But it seems unlikely, I do agree that there is an obvious attempt to not show any pictures of Arnold which means we will get shocked either way "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 'Someday' - gotta look out for that phrase from now on. I'm liking the foreshadowing done in the series so far. Also wanna bet Ford is a bot himself? One of the first ones Arnold build or something, who toppled the master and proclaimed himself King Geez, I wonder if you right....that could be true. It would be a huge upset and very applicable Real spoiler is that Bernard is replica of Arnold It seems that I actually gave real spoiler after all as they didn't change what happened in original source materials 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 How does that even make sense. Is there nobody who ever saw a picture of Arnold? 1 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 How does that even make sense. Is there nobody who ever saw a picture of Arnold? I suppose its possible, how long has the institution been in operation? Maybe 15-20 years so maybe Arnold was only alive in the beginning? But it is odd because they would have digital pictures of him for security? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 It could've used better exposition sure, but they tried to make it clear that Arnold offed himself at least 30 years prior to the current time and that only a handful of engineers ever really got to know him. Bernard was brought online no eariler than 10-15 years ago, when all of the people who knew how Arnold had looked like had moved on Which also means that some of the conversations Dolores had with, what we assumed was Bernard, may have been either Arnold or her memory of Arnold.. AND seems like the 2 timelines got a lot more credible - as all the Hosts William slaughtered were clearly mechnical and not flesh Plus the picture of Williams fiancee was the one Dolores' dad found, now withered.. 1 Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I dunno. The company I am working in exists since the early 1900s and we got a photo of the man who founded it. I guess the tv show is set a tad in the future even and pictures of everything are everywhere. Makes it just very hard for me to believe nobody knows how Arnold looks like or that nobody cares to find out. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I dunno. The company I am working in exists since the early 1900s and we got a photo of the man who founded it. I guess the tv show is set a tad in the future even and pictures of everything are everywhere. Makes it just very hard for me to believe nobody knows how Arnold looks like or that nobody cares to find out. In episode 5 we saw Logan explaining to William how the park is founded by two people from which one killed himself just before park opened to public and how their company's lawyers haven't been able to find any information about him, not even his name. Considering that part of the story happened 15-20 years before Ford build Bernard and in current day Bernard is one of the oldest employees of the park, so they at least try to go with idea that Ford is actually only one addition to some of the hosts that even known Arnold's name. Although Elise seemed to be aware of who Arnold is before she was killed or something by Bernard, but I don't remember if Bernard told her about Arnold in some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 So now that the idea that Arnold was Ford's brother or imaginary friend are out of the window - as much as the theory that Ford is a host himself it would seem, one question remains: Is William actually the young Man in Black? No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 So now that the idea that Arnold was Ford's brother or imaginary friend are out of the window - as much as the theory that Ford is a host himself it would seem, one question remains: Is William actually the young Man in Black? That seems like a pretty good theory to me. Which means there is no way Logan survives the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 So now that the idea that Arnold was Ford's brother or imaginary friend are out of the window - as much as the theory that Ford is a host himself it would seem, one question remains: Is William actually the young Man in Black? That seems like a pretty good theory to me. Which means there is no way Logan survives the season. Indeed, I'm also pretty sure that one of the two won't make it through the season and from a storytelling point of view it makes much more sense for Billy to become the Man in Black than it does for Logan. Therefore Logan will bite the dust, finalizing Billy's ongoing transformation. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 The only issue I see is some of the early season stuff doesn't match up. Logan and Billy are clearly taking part in the more recent narrative stuff at the start, it seems a stretch to say they had the same stuff 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Right now I am more interested in how the heck he managed to slaughter that whole camp in one night without anyone seem to notice. 1 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Right now I am more interested in how the heck he managed to slaughter that whole camp in one night without anyone seem to notice. I think he was noticed, but because only non-host there addition to William was Logan who drank himself under the table, there was no one that could actually prevent William to slaughtering the camp (as host aren't capable to really fight back if quests just want to kill them) and of course park's monitors don't care if quests slaughter hosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 The only issue I see is some of the early season stuff doesn't match up. Logan and Billy are clearly taking part in the more recent narrative stuff at the start, it seems a stretch to say they had the same stuff 30 years ago. Logan's and Billy's narrative is based on Dolores' memories and we have seen her mixing up happenings in her head and seeing Billy in places and times where he wasn't actually. But I am quite sure that Men in Black is Billy. Because we they both carry same knife, they both work for same company, it is established that things with Billy happened in past when host were still mechanical, company didn't yet have control over the park, Billy is destined to marry same woman that was said to be Men in Black's dead wife. And so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaenoon Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) Looks good. Might watch it. Reminds me of a show that ran when I was a kid, think. Edited December 2, 2016 by imaenoon I feel cold as a razor blade, tight as a tourniquet, dry... as a funeral... drum... as it were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 The only issue I see is some of the early season stuff doesn't match up. Logan and Billy are clearly taking part in the more recent narrative stuff at the start, it seems a stretch to say they had the same stuff 30 years ago. Logan's and Billy's narrative is based on Dolores' memories and we have seen her mixing up happenings in her head and seeing Billy in places and times where he wasn't actually. But I am quite sure that Men in Black is Billy. Because we they both carry same knife, they both work for same company, it is established that things with Billy happened in past when host were still mechanical, company didn't yet have control over the park, Billy is destined to marry same woman that was said to be Men in Black's dead wife. And so on. I'm confused? How can Ed Harris be Billy? They are both different people from RL and are participating in different narratives that may align...what am I missing? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Billy's narrative was set around 30 years in the past - hints were that all robots wrre mechanical instead of flesh - that their hostess was repurposed and Ed Harris recognized her saying "I thought they retired you". She was the one trying to hang him. What a show, that final twist caught me by surprise Also I got a little annoyed with myself for never seeing the Adam and Eve in Paradise metaphor. 1 Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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