Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear RELEASED

[Volourn]

Again you ignore the facts that developers have admiitted to having a SJW Nazi agenda. The fact that some companies  have thus far not succumbed doesn't change the fatc that some game developers are doing the agenda. Have bragged about it even. Even when it hurts their bottom line.So, again, the fact you list games that don't  do it doesn't mean there isn't any.

 

Unless you are gonna pretend that BIO doesn't or Beamdog doesn't. Or whatever.

 

 

As for  Numbers and the game. It's BD. They are crappy hence why I didn't bother with this expansion. When it was first announced I was mildly intrigued because why wouldn't I want more BG... but I remembered.. it's BD. They suck.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Volourn

[Hurlshort]

Again you ignore the facts that developers have admiitted to having a SJW Nazi agenda. The fact that some companies  have thus far not succumbed doesn't change the fatc that some game developers are doing the agenda. Have bragged about it even. Even when it hurts their bottom line.So, again, the fact you list games that don't  do it doesn't mean there isn't any.

 

Unless you are gonna pretend that BIO doesn't or Beamdog doesn't. Or whatever.

 

 

As for  Numbers and the game. It's BD. They are crappy hence why I didn't bother with this expansion. When it was first announced I was mildly intrigued because why wouldn't I want more BG... but I remembered.. it's BD. They suck.

 

Bioware and Beamdog would seem to be where your list ends.  Try to find another developer.  It is even harder to find one in Bioware's weight class.  

 

Then look at the games that Bioware makes.  Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and TOR.  Only one of those franchises is clearly pushing this "SJW Nazi agenda" that has you worked up over.

[Volourn]

Define 'worked up over'. LMAOI

 

Obsidian is another company that has admitted to being pro SJW Nazi agenda. They even promoted the guy at the front of that.   BIO, btw, is so focused on the agenda that they have forgotten that quality comes first.

 

You can spint ti all you want. YOU claimed that game developers weren't going along with the SJW agenda. Other ssaid you wrong even gave youe xamples. You keep moving the goal posts because you just can't admit you were wrong.

 

Have you also forgotten EA - BIO's owner - have also come out and said they are all for the SJW Nazi agenda? And, they have multiple companies to run with it.

 

 

But, hey, keep lying and spinning that 'no game developer' is running with the SJW agenda.

 

 

Your original words that i quoted were: "I just don't see evidence that game developers are caving into some sort of SJW agenda."

 

I proved wrong with ease. Just admit it.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

The card collection process in  W1  was strange...incongruous. And as I mentioned previously its important that games offer gay and straight options for things like Romance...inclusivity is the future for many games

Inclusiveness... iirc Bioware also offered a Goat in 'The Peal'

 

Yeah, I remember those collectible cards. I haven't completed a Witcher game since the first one. Wonder why?

 

 

Because they... don't have the collectible sex card minigame anymore? 

 

I'm honestly confused.

[Gromnir]

I guess I should clarify:

 

What unreasonable demands of the "SJW community" have developers given into?

 

Clearly developers are going to look at appealing to a diverse crowd, that is simply about broadening your appeal and market base.  But the vast majority of games are still about some guy killing stuff.  

 

Top Games of 2016 according to google:

Uncharted 4

The Division

Doom

Dark Souls III

No Mans Sky

Horizon Zero Dawn

Final Fantasy XV

Deus Ex

Mirror's Edge

Hitman

Far Cry: Primal

 

The list goes on and on.  Which one of those games are trying to shove an SJW agenda down the player's throat?  

 

People make such a big deal about this stuff.  I think we have better windmills to tilt at, like DLC and the lack of new IP's (which I think actually looks less of an issue this year.)

 

 

more than one person has pointed out the hypocrisy o' strongarming the beamdog developers to make changes to their expansion given the criticisms o' gg folks, yes?

 

entertainers has always had beliefs.  for folks to actual use entertainment as a means to raise awareness is shocking?  for chrissakes, junai didn't realize the hypocrisy o' using the Bible to illustrate his point.  individual developers- the writers, artists, designers and musicians- is all gonna have opportunities to add meaning beyond entertainment value to the medium in which they work. they do.  throughout human existence, that is what entertainers has done.  is no surprise when they do.

 

*chuckle*

 

folks such as amber scott and david gaider is extreme open 'bout what they is doing, which is a good thing no?  is no subterfuge.  as hurl's list suggests, The Industry, if it has an agenda, ain't sjw.  am suspecting that The Industry is far more interested in the quarterly report than advancing awareness o' lgbt issues.  but yeah, as always, individual entertainers gots beliefs.  kinda funny that w/o amber interviews, without her honesty, many folks would never have noticed the terrible sjw transgressions that beamdog were attempting to force 'pon unwitting children.  gg, when it first became a Thing, were claiming that the wrongness were intricately linked to subterfuge, yes?  a developer were accused o' using her feminine wiles to ingratiate a poor sap, and the sap did not disclose his relationship with the developer.  amber scott clear weren't using deceit to get gamers and journalists to approve o' her game. what were beamdog's sleight o' hand?  

 

so we got open and honest entertainers doing as entertainers has done always.  the sod problem is not ethics.  is sure not mechanics o' companion dialogues which transform trivial into vile.  some few folks is arguing a failure o' craftsmanship, and such complaints would be more valid if they did not so frequent flow from folks who were complaining 'bout sod's sjw agenda and/or violations o' bg canon Before they actual played the expansion.  even so, craftsmanship criticisms is no doubt welcome at beamdog, even when those criticisms appear to suffer from more than a little o' the subterfuge complained 'bout by the gg folks.   regardless, it is delusional and ridiculous for folks to complain o' the sjw agenda o' sod given how trivial is the actual sjw content.  for many the sod content is intrinsic offensive, and that is a terrible recognition that would suggest that amber scott's efforts, which induce in Gromnir little more than a roll o' the eyes and a fatigued internal groan, actual has value and need. what a waste.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[HoonDing]

Twitcher 1 romance cards were handpainted art. Why SJW NAzis hate art?

[Volourn]

They only like art with big **** on it.

[Hurlshort]

Does anyone believe they got rid of the cards because of SJW pressure?  That is stupid, the new games are even more graphic.  They replaced the cards with actual scenes.  

[BruceVC]

Does anyone believe they got rid of the cards because of SJW pressure?  That is stupid, the new games are even more graphic.  They replaced the cards with actual scenes.  

Yes I agree...the cards were just a bad design idea

 

But now the whole Romance arcs in W3  are more realistic and believable and take time to develop  ...I do sorry for Geralt on some levels. He find Yen his true love (?)  and she promptly sends him on this hectic quest...what about the " lovvvvvvvvvve  "  Yen?

 

In my game I have just met up with Triss...she rocks, she is very awesome. If I was Geralt I would settle down with her 

[Serrano]

Does anyone believe they got rid of the cards because of SJW pressure?  That is stupid, the new games are even more graphic.  They replaced the cards with actual scenes.  

 

I sort of do to be honest with you. The cards were deliberately pornographic and sleazy whereas the scenes, at least in Witcher 2 were more 'tasteful' and done like a tv show or movie, IMO at least. The scene with the Lavallete mom being tortured was changed due to a social challenge by reviewers, something about her being too sexualized whereas in the final game she at least covered her brests with her arms. It's all a bit silly but I believe it's a factor in play. But don't get me wrong, another big reason to get rid of the cards were that they were stupid above all else, I just don't think it was the only reason. 

 

I think CDRed have figured out that you can still use all these socially unacceptable taboos in storytelling if you do it correctly and if you manage that you'll draw a big audience, I think that's what they've done with the Witcher series. Which isn't to say they are a one-trick pony at all but they've pushed the boundaries more than any other developer I can think of atm and some of it has been trial-and-error.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Serrano

[Hurlshort]

Speaking of TV and movies, they have been using focus groups and advance screening to edit out stuff forever.  Is that all part of an SJW agenda?

[HoonDing]

"...I do sorry for Geralt on some levels. He find Yen his true love (?)  and she promptly sends him on this hectic quest...what about the " lovvvvvvvvvve  "  Yen?

 

In my game I have just met up with Triss...she rocks, she is very awesome. If I was Geralt I would settle down with her  :wub:"

 

unsurprisingly Bruce doesn't "get" the witcher at all

[BruceVC]

"...I do sorry for Geralt on some levels. He find Yen his true love (?)  and she promptly sends him on this hectic quest...what about the " lovvvvvvvvvve  "  Yen?

 

In my game I have just met up with Triss...she rocks, she is very awesome. If I was Geralt I would settle down with her  :wub:"

 

unsurprisingly Bruce doesn't "get" the witcher at all

Why what am I missing? And I haven't read the books but its suppose to be an RPG so does it really matter if I dont stick to the original Witcher themes?

[HoonDing]

it doesn't really matter

 

after all i wanted Shani

[Gromnir]

Speaking of TV and movies, they have been using focus groups and advance screening to edit out stuff forever.  Is that all part of an SJW agenda?

the entertainment industry is interested in making money. sure, directors and actors and writers will take opportunities (and risks) to fight 'gainst perceived social evils such as mccarthyism, but am doubting that anybody is shocked to realize that the prime motivator is dollars.  the weird pro-chinese content that is finding its way into movies is perhaps a result o' hollywood's favorable outlook on totalitarian regimes that suppress free speech?   or...

 

 

but am perhaps getting off-topic a bit.  

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Hiro Protagonist II]

I guess I should clarify:

 

<A whole list of games not related to BG>

 

Geez, can you move the goal posts any further? So If I list a whole list of SJW games released in 2016 not related to BG, that somehow proves my point? Not that I would do that because it's irrelevant to BG. Just like all the games you listed aren't relevant to BG.

[BruceVC]

 

I guess I should clarify:

 

<A whole list of games not related to BG>

 

Geez, can you move the goal posts any further? So If I list a whole list of SJW games released in 2016 not related to BG, that somehow proves my point? Not that I would do that because it's irrelevant to BG. Just like all the games you listed aren't relevant to BG.

 

I would love to see your list of SJW games?

[Hurlshort]

 

I guess I should clarify:

 

<A whole list of games not related to BG>

 

Geez, can you move the goal posts any further? So If I list a whole list of SJW games released in 2016 not related to BG, that somehow proves my point? Not that I would do that because it's irrelevant to BG. Just like all the games you listed aren't relevant to BG.

 

 

Yeah, that would be great.  Please make a list.  Try not to fill it with $2.99 budget titles made with RPGMaker.  That would be silly.

 

I was also not responding to you, but rather to Volourn, so I'm not sure what you are in a huff about.

[Serrano]

Speaking of TV and movies, they have been using focus groups and advance screening to edit out stuff forever.  Is that all part of an SJW agenda?

 

I was only paying attention to the cards thing, but to answer your question; No, that agenda is all about profit. Well mostly anyway, haven't TV and movie networks deliberately tried to promote LGB characters, women and racial minorities every once in a while in which case focus groups were probably used to see what was well received and what was a misfire. Or I could be totally wrong with that line of thinking? 

[Serrano]

 I haven't read the books

 

 

 

Why are you still reading this thread? Go get the books! Shoo! Go Bruce, go!

[Hiro Protagonist II]

Yeah, that would be great.  Please make a list.  Try not to fill it with $2.99 budget titles made with RPGMaker.  That would be silly.

 

I was also not responding to you, but rather to Volourn, so I'm not sure what you are in a huff about.

 

LOL. I'm not in a huff at all. Sounds like you are.

 

Also, as I said which you obviously missed, I wouldn't list a whole heap of games not relevant to BG because you know, that would be irrelevant. And not responding to me? So it's okay for you to respond to me when I'm responding to others but when I do it to you... you're saying I'm all in a huff.

[Hiro Protagonist II]

Sadly that's the case. This thread is a good example, seldom any discussion of the actual game going on. No talk of the new NPCs, encounters, not even the actual writing. Nope, it's all that GG/transphobia tripe. I know I'm going to regret this, but I have to agree with the Gromnir: it's best for writers to simply avoid hot topics.

 

You forgot paid mods, btw, we haven't seen the last of that.

 

The hot topic is what's dominating the discussion. But as I said before, the hot topic is not the main problem I have with the game. It's one of a dozen things. And the re-playability isn't there for me as it was with BG1 & BG2.

[BruceVC]

 

Yeah, that would be great.  Please make a list.  Try not to fill it with $2.99 budget titles made with RPGMaker.  That would be silly.

 

I was also not responding to you, but rather to Volourn, so I'm not sure what you are in a huff about.

 

LOL. I'm not in a huff at all. Sounds like you are.

 

Also, as I said which you obviously missed, I wouldn't list a whole heap of games not relevant to BG because you know, that would be irrelevant. And not responding to me? So it's okay for you to respond to me when I'm responding to others but when I do it to you... you're saying I'm all in a huff.

 

Hiro forget any previous comments, cant you just name a couple of SJW games?

 

There must be so many now

[Hiro Protagonist II]

Nice trolling bruce, but no I'm not going to list games that are not relevant to BG.

[BruceVC]

Nice trolling bruce, but no I'm not going to list games that are not relevant to BG.

Thats what I thought....you cant name any