JerekKruger Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 For whatever reason I'd like to play as a single weapon and shield barbarian, and I was wondering if it's a viable concept. I'm guessing that it would be best to focus on the barbarian's ability to control crowds through carnage rather than be a heavy damage dealer. As such I'm thinking of some sort of controller/off-tank. I'm familiar with Boeroer's excellent time bandit build, but I'm looking for something wielding a more traditionally barbaric weapon, for example and axe or war hammer. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaylon Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 It will be more than viable once bash will work with carnage (hopefully next patch) -> Dragon's Maw Shield+The Unlabored Blade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) I like barbs with shields. How about The Vile Loner's Lance (spear)? It has ok damage, an awesome interrupt time of 1 sec, has +5 ACC because it's a spear and it causes -5 to all defenses on hit. Use Interrupting Blows, buff PER and DEX, use Threatening Presence and the Barb Yell to lower concentration and you will have a nice AoE interrupter who also lowers defenses. Good thing about this spear is that it comes very early. You could also use Cladhaliath for stunning if you like on-crit effects. With axes I would take We Toki - but that comes quite late. Dragon's Maw and Unl. Blade are very nice of course - but they come too late to plan a build around that. You will play at least 70 to 80% of the game without this combo. You can retrain of course once you get them. Edited March 20, 2016 by Boeroer 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braven Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) If you want to stick with war hammers, there are a couple good ones for barbarians. You could try a high interrupt build using shatterstar (buyable in Defiance Bay) war hammer which has an interrupt of 1 second. It also has guarding to help keep engagement as an off-tank. If you want to focus more on attack speed later on, you can swap out Shatterstar for Strike Hard, another war hammer. It provides both a -5 deflection debuff on your enemies and higher attack speed. That weapon, combined with frenzy, Durgan steel, and gauntlets of swift action will allow zero attack recovery (with light/medium armor) which will increase your damage output quite a bit. Edited March 20, 2016 by Braven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDubya Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 The Vile Loner Spear and the retaliation small shield would be good before you get Dragon's Maw. Could swap to hatchet and shield for pierce immune foes. I like to build offensive tank types and defensive damage dealers - things like Rogues with shields, Monks with lots of defensive abilities (Juggernaut), Two handed Paladins, Damage dealer Fighters and a Barb with a shield fits right in the pattern. For me anyways barbarians have a tendency to go face down in the dirt a lot so adding a shield that keeps them alive longer is a great addition. Once bash procs carnage the damage difference from dual wielding will be lessened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) If bash will work with carnage you could also try Badgradr's Barricade. It has bash and has (or had?) unlimited spell strikings of Thrust of Tattered Veils. Together with a priest or any other buffer/debuffer those would be triggered a lot - adding nice damage to your bash on crits.But looks good only with Drawn in Spring. It's a good thing that this weapon is great. Edited March 21, 2016 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Cool, I expected people to be less positive about the idea. The Vile Loner's Lance seems like an excellent early game choice given the inherent accuracy bonus of spears and the nice on hit effect. Going off of Boeroer's suggestion, how does Mig 10 Con 10 Dex 16 Per 16 Int 16Res 10 Sound as a attribute spread? My main concern is his low fortitude save and wondered if I should redirect some points into Mig or Con to make up for that? Abilities wise I'm thinking something along the lines of: Frenzy Savage Defiance Brute Force Threatening Presence Thick Skinned Barbaric Shout Barbaric Retaliation ??? Talents wise: Weapon and Shield Appropriate Weapon Focus Accurate Carnage Stalwart Defiance Interrupting Blows ??? ??? Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braven Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Barbarians need some of every stat, so min-maxing is not that useful. INT, PER, and DEX are the most important, so that stat spread looks good. I am not sure what you can really give up for more might. Perception and Dex is very important for the interrupts, and INT is important for carnage and all of your ability duration. You will get +4 might/con when frenzied. That is 16 more Fortitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rheingold Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Stats are fine. For me personally if I play a dwarf barb I have trouble dropping their strength down, I normally go for a balanced attribute spread something like: Might 14 Con 10 Dex 15 Perc 15 Int 15 Res 9 It's tough justifying low might when the dwarf model looks like Conans big brother. Orlans on the other hand I'm happy to drop a couple more points of might at around 12 or so. I must stress this is a role playing decision. As is the fact I dont like dropping anything below 9. Still the barbs work great with those stats. Cant wait for carnage to work with bash. "Those who look upon gods then say, without even knowing their names, 'He is Fire. She is Dance. He is Destruction. She is Love.' So, to reply to your statement, they do not call themselves gods. Everyone else does, though, everyone who beholds them.""So they play that on their fascist banjos, eh?""You choose the wrong adjective.""You've already used up all the others.” Lord of Light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rheingold Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Vile loners lance is great, though you could also go the dozens route for their spear. Both work well and look cool and will last till WM2 where you can pick up a better weapon, and the dragons maw shield. Spears will also help with the shield accuracy debuff, at least if you are using medium/large shields. "Those who look upon gods then say, without even knowing their names, 'He is Fire. She is Dance. He is Destruction. She is Love.' So, to reply to your statement, they do not call themselves gods. Everyone else does, though, everyone who beholds them.""So they play that on their fascist banjos, eh?""You choose the wrong adjective.""You've already used up all the others.” Lord of Light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDubya Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Vile loners lance is great, though you could also go the dozens route for their spear. Both work well and look cool and will last till WM2 where you can pick up a better weapon, and the dragons maw shield. Spears will also help with the shield accuracy debuff, at least if you are using medium/large shields. If you wait till act 3 you can get the spear without joining the Dozens. I dislike their mob rule and their bonus is terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Sadly - not anymore. I tried it the toher day and it won't work anymore. Maybe it's just a bug - but I tried again in another playthrough and that also didn't work. You get the symbols glowing, pick up the soul vessel, try to do the ritual - but nothing happens. Edited March 21, 2016 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Huh, that sucks. I suppose it gives a bigger reason to side with the Dozens, but it doesn't really make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Galad Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 It is a stupid joke, but your topic led me to think about creating a "Sworn and Bored" Paladin for roleplay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teioh_White Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Sadly - not anymore. I tried it the toher day and it won't work anymore. Maybe it's just a bug - but I tried again in another playthrough and that also didn't work. You get the symbols glowing, pick up the soul vessel, try to do the ritual - but nothing happens. I know I did it in 3.0, and multiple times before that, so it'd have to be a pretty new addition. Also a weird one. I'd lean towards bug, which could take awhile. I imagine the patches will slow down now that the games 'done'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yeah - it really felt like a bug, too. No hint that this behaviour was inteneded - like a small text like "You step into the chamber but nothing happens" or something. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Is the unenchanted spear still available to loot? I suppose one explanation could be that some other group from the Dozens did your job and already looted the spear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Sadly - not anymore. I tried it the toher day and it won't work anymore. Maybe it's just a bug - but I tried again in another playthrough and that also didn't work. You get the symbols glowing, pick up the soul vessel, try to do the ritual - but nothing happens. Is that about Cladhalíath? (if so.. in 3.0 it was working fine, although have spent 15 minute to finally figure out that I needed two party members to be standing on some runes first) Edited March 22, 2016 by MaxQuest PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braven Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) It also took me a while to figure out the floor runes. It is particularly counter-intuitive if soloing. I was able to do it soloing with ranger by using the animal companion. I think after the two runes are activated, you can step off them. I haven't tried getting the spear (outside of the dozen's quest) since 3.0. It worked before that, though. Edited March 22, 2016 by Braven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Well I did it several times before - I know what you have to do- and it worked. But not anymore. At least for me. As I said - maybe just a bug. Edited March 22, 2016 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ymarsakar Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Savage defiance can be pretty good for a quick heal on the bar, with the new healing multipliers. The aoe terrify has been rather useful so far. And it also tends to draw aggro due to being a debuff, if it sticks. Edited March 23, 2016 by Ymarsakar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Does Threatening Presence and maybe the Executioner's Hood do the same thing? I mean, drawing attention?I know that "Come, Sweet Winds of Death" of the chanter causes foes to attack him. Which is nice if you play him as a tank. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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