US Elections 2016

[Volourn]

L0L To get what I was getting at read the exchange that Bruce and I had just prior to that. <>

[BruceVC]

 

I'm not with you? I dont know the details ....sorry what do you mean?

10 second google search

 

Sorry I did know about this story, Howard Dean is perfectly entitled to vote for Hilary Clinton

 

He has been a supporter of her for ages, he is  a very astute politician. I honestly find it unreasonable and arrogant that the people of Vermont think he has no right to vote for who he feels is the correct candidate

 

I'm not why this even became an issue,,,isnt the principle of voting in the USA sacrosanct where people are allowed to vote for who they want? Or do we break traditional rules  because the people of Vermont now like Sanders?

[BruceVC]

L0L To get what I was getting at read the exchange that Bruce and I had just prior to that. <>

Volo please just post what you want ....I'm not going to try to guess what you mean

 

I want to understand your point but surly you can provide links if you want people to understand your point...I'm being honest

 

I dont get your point ?

[Barothmuk]

I'm not why this even became an issue,,,isnt the principle of voting in the USA sacrosanct where people are allowed to vote for who they want? Or do we break traditional rules  because the people of Vermont now like Sanders?

Stop being obtuse Bruce.

[BruceVC]

 

I'm not why this even became an issue,,,isnt the principle of voting in the USA sacrosanct where people are allowed to vote for who they want? Or do we break traditional rules  because the people of Vermont now like Sanders?

Stop being obtuse Bruce.

 

No you see you basically expect Howard Dean to somehow not have the same rights as every other USA citizen....remember Baro we aren't Americans. This is not Oz voting where people just vote for whoever they think looks good. In the USA some of these candidates have been planning this for years....its understandable

 

I still fail to see why you think Dean should be  going  against his principles ? 

[Barothmuk]

No you see you basically expect Howard Dean to somehow not have the same rights as every other USA citizen.

Still ignoring the heart of the controversy.

 

This is not Oz voting where people just vote for whoever they think looks good.

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I still fail to see why you think Dean should be  going  against his principles ?

"Principles". Edited March 7, 2016 by Barothmuk

[Valsuelm]

Why do you care about Howard Dean? He's entirely inconsequential.

Also, he was chairman of the DNC. A prerequisite of being chair of either the RNC or DNC is that you are an unprincipled #*@!. To be clear: Dean has no principles to go against.

Edit:

Dean's greatest contribution to American politics, and probably what's going on in his head much of the time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeanScream.ogg

Edited March 7, 2016 by Valsuelm

[BruceVC]

Why do you care about Howard Dean? He's entirely inconsequential.

 

Also, he was chairman of the DNC. A prerequisite of being chair of either the RNC or DNC is that you are an unprincipled #*@!. To be clear: Dean has no principles to go against.

 

Edit:

 

Dean's greatest contribution to American politics, and probably what's going on in his head much of the time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeanScream.ogg

Its become an issue because the reality is the people of Vermont feel he should now vote for Sanders ..because the majority of people in Vermont will be voting for Sanders...once again its a strange view and makes no sense to me

[Valsuelm]

 

Why do you care about Howard Dean? He's entirely inconsequential.

 

Also, he was chairman of the DNC. A prerequisite of being chair of either the RNC or DNC is that you are an unprincipled #*@!. To be clear: Dean has no principles to go against.

 

Edit:

 

Dean's greatest contribution to American politics, and probably what's going on in his head much of the time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeanScream.ogg

Its become an issue because the reality is the people of Vermont feel he should now vote for Sanders ..because the majority of people in Vermont will be voting for Sanders...once again its a strange view and makes no sense to me

 

 

Ah.

 

You're confusing Dean's role as a 'super-delegate' with his vote as everyday citizen X.

 

The people of Vermont have a legitimate complaint over Dean's potential act as a 'super-delegate', and the 'super-delegate' system overall.

 

[BruceVC]

 

No you see you basically expect Howard Dean to somehow not have the same rights as every other USA citizen.

Still ignoring the heart of the controversy.

 

This is not Oz voting where people just vote for whoever they think looks good.

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I still fail to see why you think Dean should be  going  against his principles ?

"Principles".

 

Baro its not a controversy, you feel it is but I am telling you Dean can vote for who he wants

 

Yes and Oz politics....you can't tell me you think its stable ? You have people getting replaced in the middle of there term and then people decide to replace that candidate. You have a  PM getting replaced because Oz citizens suddenly get mood swings...its very chaotic to me and seems a little odd 

[BruceVC]

 

 

Why do you care about Howard Dean? He's entirely inconsequential.

 

Also, he was chairman of the DNC. A prerequisite of being chair of either the RNC or DNC is that you are an unprincipled #*@!. To be clear: Dean has no principles to go against.

 

Edit:

 

Dean's greatest contribution to American politics, and probably what's going on in his head much of the time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeanScream.ogg

Its become an issue because the reality is the people of Vermont feel he should now vote for Sanders ..because the majority of people in Vermont will be voting for Sanders...once again its a strange view and makes no sense to me

 

 

Ah.

 

You're confusing Dean's role as a 'super-delegate' with his vote as everyday citizen X.

 

The people of Vermont have a legitimate complaint over Dean's potential act as a 'super-delegate', and the 'super-delegate' system overall.

 

 

Okay so what is the issue because according to the Link Dean doesn't think there is an issue ?

 

What legitimate right do the citizens have over Dean around who he can vote for?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

It's not an issue of him voting like someone else from Vermont, it's the issue of him being a superdelegate and having the equivalent voting power of 1/16th of the entire primary voters in Vermont.

[Barothmuk]

Yes and Oz politics....you can't tell me you think its stable ? You have people getting replaced in the middle of there term and then people decide to replace that candidate. You have a PM getting replaced because Oz citizens suddenly get mood swings...its very chaotic to me and seems a little odd.

That's internal party wankery. Little to do with the whims of the Australian public.

[BruceVC]

It's not an issue of him voting like someone else from Vermont, it's the issue of him being a superdelegate and having the equivalent voting power of 1/16th of the entire primary voters in Vermont.

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants?

 

So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

[Guard Dog]

 

It's not an issue of him voting like someone else from Vermont, it's the issue of him being a superdelegate and having the equivalent voting power of 1/16th of the entire primary voters in Vermont.

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants?

 

So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

 

He can vote for anyone he wants in the general election. He gets one vote. He can support any Democrat he wants at the convention, including one not even running if he wants. The rules of the party allow that. The Democratic Party is not very democratic. They want the voters to give an opinion but they want the voters to know they don't get the final say. What is happening in the GOP is the very reason why the Dems made their rules this way.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants?

 

So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic.

[BruceVC]

 

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants?

 

So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic.

 

Okay well thats easy to address.....its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes

 

I just see that reason as a valid point but more a distraction as Dean cant change that 

[Meshugger]

 

 

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants?

 

So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic.

 

Okay well thats easy to address.....its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes

 

I just see that reason as a valid point but more a distraction as Dean cant change that 

 

 

Still trying to skew that people here are talking about Dean himself? No one here has said it was at all about him, it was about the power of superdelegates and he was used as an example. Are you deliberately obtuse or do you lack conceptual thinking?

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants?

 

So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic.

 

Okay well thats easy to address.....its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes

 

I just see that reason as a valid point but more a distraction as Dean cant change that 

 

 

Still trying to skew that people here are talking about Dean himself? No one here has said it was at all about him, it was about the power of superdelegates and he was used as an example. Are you deliberately obtuse or do you lack conceptual thinking?

 

You funny  

 

I just addressed the question of the super delegates ....in the post you quoted. I said " its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes" 

 

Meshugger I like you...you really weird but you are also the last person who should be calling me  obtuse....and this term " conceptual thinking "  ....are you sure you want to debate something that has a unclear meaning for you?

[Meshugger]

Sweet Jesus.

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

 

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants?

 

So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic.

 

Okay well thats easy to address.....its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes

 

I just see that reason as a valid point but more a distraction as Dean cant change that 

 

 

Still trying to skew that people here are talking about Dean himself? No one here has said it was at all about him, it was about the power of superdelegates and he was used as an example. Are you deliberately obtuse or do you lack conceptual thinking?

 

You funny

 

I just addressed the question of the super delegates ....in the post you quoted. I said " its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes" 

 

Meshugger I like you...you really weird but you are also the last person who should be calling me  obtuse....and this term " conceptual thinking "  ....are you sure you want to debate something that has a unclear meaning for you?

 

He is correct Bruce. You are either completely misunderstanding what has been written by many here, and is easily located via search engine, or you are going out of your way to ignore pertinent facts and your mind is truly does lack the ability to think, conceptually, critically, as well as objectively.

 

You will find no honest ethical person, Democrat, Republican, or whatever, who understands the 'super-delegate' system that will defend it. It is an absolute cowpie system, created by corrupt Ftards, and generally made up of corrupt Ftards such as Dean.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

Yes sure but once again I ask a simple question....does the USA Constitution not allow him to vote for who he wants?

 

So it seems what would make people happy if Dean used his superdelegate rights to vote for Sanders ....that would be okay right?

Again Bruce, the issue is not who Dean votes for as a Democratic primary voter or general election voter, it's that he is a superdelegate and his support for Clinton is the equivalent of 1/16th of the entire state of Vermont. It's criticism of the superdelegate system in the Democratic primary because it is undemocratic.

 

Okay well thats easy to address.....its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes

 

I just see that reason as a valid point but more a distraction as Dean cant change that 

 

 

Still trying to skew that people here are talking about Dean himself? No one here has said it was at all about him, it was about the power of superdelegates and he was used as an example. Are you deliberately obtuse or do you lack conceptual thinking?

 

You funny

 

I just addressed the question of the super delegates ....in the post you quoted. I said " its not Deans fault the system is like that. Once Hilary is elected then you guys should push for changes" 

 

Meshugger I like you...you really weird but you are also the last person who should be calling me  obtuse....and this term " conceptual thinking "  ....are you sure you want to debate something that has a unclear meaning for you?

 

He is correct Bruce. You are either completely misunderstanding what has been written by many here, and is easily located via search engine, or you are going out of your way to ignore pertinent facts and your mind is truly does lack the ability to think, conceptually, critically, as well as objectively.

 

You will find no honest ethical person, Democrat, Republican, or whatever, who understands the 'super-delegate' system that will defend it. It is an absolute cowpie system, created by corrupt Ftards, and generally made up of corrupt Ftards such as Dean.

 

Interesting, you also dont seem to comprehending my basic point? Guys for the last time, I'm not defending it as I mention in the post quoted AGAIN by you

 

 

We cant fix it now, wait till after the election then push for change? Its about activism Vals ....its about not just complaining on a forum. This is why I spend so much time  on radio talk shows discussing politics and events that influence SA 

[Gorth]

Yes and Oz politics....you can't tell me you think its stable ? You have people getting replaced in the middle of there term and then people decide to replace that candidate. You have a  PM getting replaced because Oz citizens suddenly get mood swings...its very chaotic to me and seems a little odd

Most of those changes of PM's in Australia the last 10 years were internal party squabbles in the Labour party. They have this weird thing that gives the unions a disproportional influence and they practise cloak and dagger politics a lot. Kevin and Julia taking turns gathering enough votes at political meetings to have each other dragged out of office in the middle of the night and replaced with new labour leader cliques, replacing the top powerstructures with "loyal legionaires" while disposing of anyone loyal to the ruling Caesar PM. It's quite entertaining in a tv drama kind of way. Australia also has an unusually short maximum term of 3 years before new elections are required, making it even more impressive that they backstab each other before elections are up anyway.

[BruceVC]

 

Yes and Oz politics....you can't tell me you think its stable ? You have people getting replaced in the middle of there term and then people decide to replace that candidate. You have a  PM getting replaced because Oz citizens suddenly get mood swings...its very chaotic to me and seems a little odd

Most of those changes of PM's in Australia the last 10 years were internal party squabbles in the Labour party. They have this weird thing that gives the unions a disproportional influence and they practise cloak and dagger politics a lot. Kevin and Julia taking turns gathering enough votes at political meetings to have each other dragged out of office in the middle of the night and replaced with new labour leader cliques, replacing the top powerstructures with "loyal legionaires" while disposing of anyone loyal to the ruling Caesar PM. It's quite entertaining in a tv drama kind of way. Australia also has an unusually short maximum term of 3 years before new elections are required, making it even more impressive that they backstab each other before elections are up anyway.

 

Yes, I was referring to Kevin and Julia

 

 

How does a PM get replaced in Oz before his term ends? Who can vote them out....it just seems like a fragile system because the reality is you can't  expect the average common citizen to really understand who is the best person to run a country?

[Gorth]

 

 

Yes and Oz politics....you can't tell me you think its stable ? You have people getting replaced in the middle of there term and then people decide to replace that candidate. You have a  PM getting replaced because Oz citizens suddenly get mood swings...its very chaotic to me and seems a little odd

Most of those changes of PM's in Australia the last 10 years were internal party squabbles in the Labour party. They have this weird thing that gives the unions a disproportional influence and they practise cloak and dagger politics a lot. Kevin and Julia taking turns gathering enough votes at political meetings to have each other dragged out of office in the middle of the night and replaced with new labour leader cliques, replacing the top powerstructures with "loyal legionaires" while disposing of anyone loyal to the ruling Caesar PM. It's quite entertaining in a tv drama kind of way. Australia also has an unusually short maximum term of 3 years before new elections are required, making it even more impressive that they backstab each other before elections are up anyway.

 

Yes, I was referring to Kevin and Julia

 

 

How does a PM get replaced in Oz before his term ends? Who can vote them out....it just seems like a fragile system because the reality is you can't  expect the average common citizen to really understand who is the best person to run a country?

 

Get enough important party members to summon an impromptu caucus and elect a new party leader. Simple as that. The people vote for the party, not the person, so in the end, the party decides who resides in the "cottage" (the PM's residence, like the White House and 10, Downing Street).