Attacks in Paris

[Malcador]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/16/salon-owner-arrested-no-muslims-facebook-post-blinks-bicester

 

One post on her page, which has since been taken down, is said to have read: “Blinks of Bicester are no longer taking bookings from anyone from the Islamic faith whether you are UK granted with passport or not. Sorry but time to put my country first.”

 

A later post reportedly read: “I have been inundated with messages tonight as I said I would not book any muslin [sic] or Islamic client. I stand by that completely as a UK citizen. However those that want to call me racialist. Think on.”

Seems dumb to say, but nothing worth getting arrested over to me. Wouldn't happen here.

[Orogun01]

After the pointing and laughing Im once again reminded of the timeless wisdom of Trading Places, in that everyone is just a product of their environment. For some the burning of books and oppression of opinions is fine while others blanch at the thought. The difference? Where you were raised. Changing a persons opinion is like trying to describe a rainbow to a blind person, they just cant visualize it. 

I remember once seeing a Cuban drama about the romantic relationship between a blind man and a woman. I mention it because she described what colors look liked by matching them with their meanings. So anger is red, and hope is green.

 

You can communicate anything as long as there is some common elements shared.

[Qistina]

After the pointing and laughing Im once again reminded of the timeless wisdom of Trading Places, in that everyone is just a product of their environment. For some the burning of books and oppression of opinions is fine while others blanch at the thought. The difference? Where you were raised. Changing a persons opinion is like trying to describe a rainbow to a blind person, they just cant visualize it. 

 

That is partly true, because the environment only give the basis of the structure, the rest is depend on choices, learning, experience, brainwashing, and imposed thought....we live in stereotypes since we are born. A girl being a girl because every girl being a girl...the same with boys. Even if a girl grow up among the boys, the stereotype will sooner kick in because of the biological differences in which makes the girl and the boys will detached and the differences being identified.

 

We cannot escape it. That is how human functioning. That's why in the Quran it says God created human differently is for human to know eachother....

Edited November 18, 2015 by Qistina

[aluminiumtrioxid]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/16/salon-owner-arrested-no-muslims-facebook-post-blinks-bicester

 

One post on her page, which has since been taken down, is said to have read: “Blinks of Bicester are no longer taking bookings from anyone from the Islamic faith whether you are UK granted with passport or not. Sorry but time to put my country first.”

 

A later post reportedly read: “I have been inundated with messages tonight as I said I would not book any muslin [sic] or Islamic client. I stand by that completely as a UK citizen. However those that want to call me racialist. Think on.”

Seems dumb to say, but nothing worth getting arrested over to me. Wouldn't happen here.

 

 

Well I respectfully retain my reservations about this being a direct consequence of the BBC's existence, regardless 

[Malcador]

Oh, has nothing to do with the BBC, just was reading that as I came across your comment, a neat case of synchronicity (probably not, but I just like using that word whenever I can BS my way through it).

 

I think people hear "state run" when they hear "state owned", with respect to the BBC or CBC. The governments do interfere, I know the Tories here had a hate for the CBC for some reason, but hardly KCNA or Pravda of old

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Unfortunately, it wouldn't take a conspiracy to go from well-intended "state-sponsored perspective [as] just another voice", to restrictions on competing media and deterioration of free speech in general.

 

Because that's the natural course that things take under the tutelage of the government. There's no one who secretly engineers this process behind the scenes, it's just a result of human nature (and made worse by the two-party system).

 

This is why the "constitutional" part of "constitutional democracy" is so important.

So it's just human nature when it's a cabal of academic elites and the state, but a conspiracy theory when it's economic elites and self-interest?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/16/salon-owner-arrested-no-muslims-facebook-post-blinks-bicester

 

 

One post on her page, which has since been taken down, is said to have read: “Blinks of Bicester are no longer taking bookings from anyone from the Islamic faith whether you are UK granted with passport or not. Sorry but time to put my country first.”

A later post reportedly read: “I have been inundated with messages tonight as I said I would not book any muslin [sic] or Islamic client. I stand by that completely as a UK citizen. However those that want to call me racialist. Think on.”

 

Seems dumb to say, but nothing worth getting arrested over to me. Wouldn't happen here.

 

Well I respectfully retain my reservations about this being a direct consequence of the BBC's existence, regardless 

It isn't, the UK hasn't really had the free speech protections the US and establishing the BBC isn't exactly a consequence of that.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

I think people hear "state run" when they hear "state owned", with respect to the BBC or CBC. 

 

 

I don't find that to be a meaningful distinction as far as the libertarian argument goes.

[Gfted1]

You can communicate anything as long as there is some common elements shared.

Communicate? Sure. But I'm not so sure people can/are willing to change lifelong beliefs. 

 

...the rest is depend on choices, learning, experience...

I wonder if this really comes into play that often. Those with access to the internet have (mostly) the worlds knowledge at their fingertips, yet the internet is full of ignoramusus. "Facts" often have no effect on people because they are incapable of looking past their raising.

[Qistina]

 

You can communicate anything as long as there is some common elements shared.

Communicate? Sure. But I'm not so sure people can/are willing to change lifelong beliefs. 

 

...the rest is depend on choices, learning, experience...

I wonder if this really comes into play that often. Those with access to the internet have (mostly) the worlds knowledge at their fingertips, yet the internet is full of ignoramusus. "Facts" often have no effect on people because they are incapable of looking past their raising.

 

 

Human have collective thinking, everyone will think the same, and thats how a community is shaped. When a group of people stay together, everyone in the group share the same thinking, the one who don't will be rejected or cannot mix with the society. So every races have their own collective thinking. When a group meet with other group, there is a clash between two or more collective thinking. It could be beneficial or destructive, depends on how these group could merge their collective thinking

 

The one who can control human collective thinking will shape the world...how?

 

Through propaganda, media...news, movies, music, trends.....

 

This is proven in 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s,.....everyone in the world are THE SAME during those times

Edited November 18, 2015 by Qistina

[Gfted1]

The one who can control human collective thinking will shape the world...how?

 

Through propaganda, media...news, movies, music, trends.....

 

This is proven in 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s,.....everyone in the world are THE SAME during those times

Nah. How then would you explain the differences between your average Malaysian vs. your average "Westerner"? Or are you saying this worldwide "group think" ended in the 80s?

[Qistina]

 

The one who can control human collective thinking will shape the world...how?

 

Through propaganda, media...news, movies, music, trends.....

 

This is proven in 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s,.....everyone in the world are THE SAME during those times

Nah. How then would you explain the differences between your average Malaysian vs. your average "Westerner"? Or are you saying this worldwide "group think" ended in the 80s?

 

 

yes...because "they" want conflicts

 

Look here, this is top Malaysian band of the 70s...what's the difference with yours? Enjoy

 

Edited November 18, 2015 by Qistina

[Qistina]

This is Malaysia in the 80s...after this the collective thinking stopped slowly....and now malaysia is moving to ISLAMIC like my picture on the left...who set this collective thinking? Malaysian women was not like my picture and pictures i shared here in posts...there are atleast two collective thinking now...Islamic vs West....

 

[Qistina]

We have being mind controlled, we are pawn in the game...after 1990, the world changed not the same anymore...here there is Islamic uprising, who set this? While in the west you guys are anti-islam....so we clashed, we fight, we get in war....before 2000, do we get in war and fighting? No....yes USA have conflicts with Iraq in Gulf War but it was not religious at all. No one really care.

 

It is because we are all the same during that time...slowly we changed....my people look like my picture now, how this happen? I was born in 1980, like i said before Jem was my favorite cartoon, girls during that time look like Jem...now have changed.

 

It is subconciously...it is a trend...through media, and now internet...the change is so fast and now there are extremists among my people. How this happen? I still remember the time where everyone is busy making hairs, now it is no longer, everyone busy buying the most expensive hijab....

 

Mega wars happen after this changes...War on Terror...war on Islam....who's fighting who?

Edited November 18, 2015 by Qistina

[Darkpriest]

Russians getting mad at everyone in their way in Syria:

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/russia-pounds-isis-with-biggest-bomber-raid-in-decades.html

[Qistina]

What i am talking about is the power of media and how it change the collective mind....who control the media? Human changed from 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s...during that time the whole world is the same...in 70s, everyone look like 70s, in 80s, everyone look like 80s....during these time there is no global war...there are wars but not global...

 

Today, it is global war under this name..."War on Terror"....this war specifically anti-islamic...to make this happen, they must change the collective thinking....to the west they show how bad Islam is...to the east (muslims) they propagate how cool Islam is...so these two can clash and creating global war

 

it is a global brainwashing through media....

[Meshugger]

What i am talking about is the power of media and how it change the collective mind....who control the media? Human changed from 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s...during that time the whole world is the same...in 70s, everyone look like 70s, in 80s, everyone look like 80s....during these time there is no global war...there are wars but not global...

 

Today, it is global war under this name..."War on Terror"....this war specifically anti-islamic...to make this happen, they must change the collective thinking....to the west they show how bad Islam is...to the east (muslims) they propagate how cool Islam is...so these two can clash and creating global war

 

it is a global brainwashing through media....

 

Let me guess: Jews, right? 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

What i am talking about is the power of media and how it change the collective mind....who control the media? Human changed from 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s...during that time the whole world is the same...in 70s, everyone look like 70s, in 80s, everyone look like 80s....during these time there is no global war...there are wars but not global...

 

Today, it is global war under this name..."War on Terror"....this war specifically anti-islamic...to make this happen, they must change the collective thinking....to the west they show how bad Islam is...to the east (muslims) they propagate how cool Islam is...so these two can clash and creating global war

 

it is a global brainwashing through media....

 

 

Let me guess: Jews, right?

No, the Irish.

 

 

 

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

Let me guess: Jews, right? 

 

 

Of all the people on this forum, I think you have the least right to lambast others for their kooky conspiracy theories 

[Zoraptor]

 

Complaining about others not caring enough is always a problematic approach, as you can pretty much guarantee there's a bigger entry in the tragedy olympics out there that the complainer doesn't care enough about.

 

Do you really not see a difference between

• Not taking initiative to publicly mourn something, as long as no-one is asking you to.

and

• Actively showing disrespect and spite for other people's mourning, like booing(!) a minute of silence.

?

 

Let's just disingenuously group both of those under "not caring enough" and equivocate away?

 

 

If the situation was reversed, with the Turkish attack coming after the french one and there being no minute of silence for the dead french but a request for silence for the dead turks then yes, I'd expect some french to boo instead of honour it. Some would see Turkey as (not inaccurately, to be honest) enabling ISIS and there would definitively be a jingoistic 'asterisking muslims/ refugees/ refugee enablers' attitude from some, we can already see that; and it would seem that the turkish lives would be valued more than the french ones. It's not about saying that any lack of respect is OK, but there are reasons for it and they are reasons which would apply to every country/ nationality/ ethnicity/ religion under the right/ wrong circumstances.

 

As for not caring enough, when it was 200+ Russians blown up the UK- formally, and as direct policy since it was their FM saying most of it- used their deaths to make cheap political points, smugly said it was a bomb publicly before telling either the country whose people had died or the country where the bombing occurred, and were as close to actively happy that those people had died as it is possible to be because it would be 'difficult' for Putin and his policy in Syria. That's not only not taking the time to honestly mourn but is most certainly showing disrespect by trivialising their deaths into a stick to hit an opponent with. And yet, nary a complaint about it; but we all know what would have happened if the situation had been reversed.

 

It doesn't mean that I think the people disrespecting are nice or right, whether they be the Brit Foreign Secretary of Mehmet Blogsadoglu doing it. Get upset at people not showing enough or any respect though? Asterisk that, they don't have to care, real life ain't some web 2.0 emotional circlejerk.

 

TLDR: there's no obligation to pay respects unless you're playing COD: Iteration, though you may be a bit of a dong if you actively disrespect.

Edited November 18, 2015 by Zoraptor

[Meshugger]

 

 

Let me guess: Jews, right? 

 

 

Of all the people on this forum, I think you have the least right to lambast others for their kooky conspiracy theories 

 

 

Boo, be funnier!

[Raithe]

[Raithe]

Would this be treading on dangerous grounds to put this one here?

 

[Qistina]

 

What i am talking about is the power of media and how it change the collective mind....who control the media? Human changed from 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s...during that time the whole world is the same...in 70s, everyone look like 70s, in 80s, everyone look like 80s....during these time there is no global war...there are wars but not global...

 

Today, it is global war under this name..."War on Terror"....this war specifically anti-islamic...to make this happen, they must change the collective thinking....to the west they show how bad Islam is...to the east (muslims) they propagate how cool Islam is...so these two can clash and creating global war

 

it is a global brainwashing through media....

 

Let me guess: Jews, right? 

 

 

Right, not me saying that, many people saying that, not only Muslims who say that, everyone say that, even western people say that. This is not anti-semitism, this is not racism, this is reality, and it is proven.

 

Who own entertainment industry? Who own the world bank? Who are the elites?

 

I am not against Jewish people, but these Jewish elites covering themselves behind anti-semitism, you can't talk about them at all, you can't critisize them, if you talk about them you being labelled as racist bigot, anti-semite, you being attacked not only by authorities but everyone will attack you automatically, if you are important person you could be defamed by talking about it....

 

They are behind what happen in the world, they are the hidden hand...the illuminati

 

Why people laughed when we said "illuminati"? Why it is a joke?

[HoonDing]