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Why do hookers need to be removed from GTA?

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore 

 

In summary many  hookers in RL  are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry?


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Why do hookers need to be removed from GTA?

 

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore 

 

In summary many  hookers in RL  are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry?

By that justification, shouldn't black men be removed because they are the most likely to be murdered?


"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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Why do hookers need to be removed from GTA?

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore 

 

In summary many  hookers in RL  are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry?

By that justification, shouldn't black men be removed because they are the most likely to be murdered?

 

 

You not seriously comparing the quality of life of African Americans and hookers..you not suggesting they are the same?

 

The point that Polygon made can be argued and I am prepared to have the debate with you if you want?


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Are we back to this idiocy again, arbitrarily picking one victim of crime to exclude from a game, and totally ignoring and being fine with including the rest. In a piece of virtual reality where nobody is hurt, unlike the real world where sexual predators buy womens bodies and abuse them for a handful of cash, then hypocritically justify it to themselves with whatever lies they want to believe.

 

Honestly this is the most moronic argument seen yet in this thread, and it has featured the Full McIntosh.

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Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.

I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin.

 

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Are we back to this idiocy again, arbitrarily picking one victim of crime to exclude from a game, and totally ignoring and being fine with including the rest. In a piece of virtual reality where nobody is hurt, unlike the real world where sexual predators buy womens bodies and abuse them for a handful of cash, then hypocritically justify it to themselves with whatever lies they want to believe.

 

Honestly this is the most moronic argument seen yet in this thread, and it has featured the Full McIntosh.

 

No come now Nonek I find it hard to believe you of all people hasn't had a more moronic debate...lets be honest ?

 

And I see you still don't get the argument on why hookers should be removed..none of the other NPC's in GTA are also victims in RL


"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

 

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Are we back to this idiocy again, arbitrarily picking one victim of crime to exclude from a game, and totally ignoring and being fine with including the rest. In a piece of virtual reality where nobody is hurt, unlike the real world where sexual predators buy womens bodies and abuse them for a handful of cash, then hypocritically justify it to themselves with whatever lies they want to believe.

 

Honestly this is the most moronic argument seen yet in this thread, and it has featured the Full McIntosh.

 "  buy womens bodies and abuse them for a handful of cash" :lol:

 

You still on about this as if it makes any difference to me..I am not embarrassed and there is no contradiction on what I say 

 

Its seems fatuous to keep repeating something spurious ..remember the whole " please no soapbox sermons "   :biggrin:


"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

 

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Pardon, people shot, tortured, killed and such are not victims in real life? You're not actually seriously stating this are you, if so then there's no point arguing with you because that is flat out denying reality. Anyone can be a victim of crime in real life, anyone, this is not limited to sex workers.

 

Whether you are embarassed or not about using sex workers is your choice Bruce, if you have no shame about forcing yourself on young women, breaking the law and propagating a harmful and vicious trade in womens flesh, then bully for you. However i'll still think you're hypocritical and saying you support any kind of social justice is a slap in the face to the women you've bought.

 

As a father of daughters and a married man whom respects women you sicken me.

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Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.

I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin.

 

Tea for the teapot!

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Pardon, people shot, tortured, killed and such are not victims in real life? You're not actually seriously stating this are you, if so then there's no point arguing with you because that is flat out denying reality. Anyone can be a victim of crime in real life, anyone, this is not limited to sex workers.

 

Whether you are embarassed or not about using sex workers is your choice Bruce, if you have no shame about forcing yourself on young women, breaking the law and propagating a harmful and vicious trade in womens flesh, then bully for you. However i'll still think you're hypocritical and saying you support any kind of social justice is a slap in the face to the women you've bought.

 

As a father of daughters and a married man whom respects women you sicken me.

No I have no shame, should I? I go to legal strip clubs, why should I be ashamed ? None of the girls are trafficked..they work there as it pays well...they aren't forced. You don't seem to know much about strip clubs ?

 

But Nonek please stop pretending you actually care about the plight of girls who work in the sex industry. I doubt you do considering your contempt for women who wear revealing clothes..like when you said that young girls going out partying where you live  were dressed looking like whores....nice choice of words there to describe a liberated and confident young women...very progressive 

 

And you still missing the point, hookers in RL can be victims due to there lifestyle choice ...what crimes are you talking about 


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Are we back to this idiocy again, arbitrarily picking one victim of crime to exclude from a game, and totally ignoring and being fine with including the rest. In a piece of virtual reality where nobody is hurt, unlike the real world where sexual predators buy womens bodies and abuse them for a handful of cash, then hypocritically justify it to themselves with whatever lies they want to believe.

 

Honestly this is the most moronic argument seen yet in this thread, and it has featured the Full McIntosh.

 

No come now Nonek I find it hard to believe you of all people hasn't had a more moronic debate...lets be honest ?

 

And I see you still don't get the argument on why hookers should be removed..none of the other NPC's in GTA are also victims in RL

 

When I engage in spree shootings in GTA are the victims not the equivalent of the victims of real spree shootings? You're equating game actions with issues in the real world, so it bears to reason that what's true for one is true for all. Nitpicking at just the cases that make you feel the worse is the most telling bias of SJ; it is not about equality it is about emotion.

Which is why you can't justify your subjective reasoning to people using objective reasoning since your argument comes down to feelings. 


I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"*

 

*If you can't tell, it's you. ;)

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Are we back to this idiocy again, arbitrarily picking one victim of crime to exclude from a game, and totally ignoring and being fine with including the rest. In a piece of virtual reality where nobody is hurt, unlike the real world where sexual predators buy womens bodies and abuse them for a handful of cash, then hypocritically justify it to themselves with whatever lies they want to believe.

 

Honestly this is the most moronic argument seen yet in this thread, and it has featured the Full McIntosh.

 

No come now Nonek I find it hard to believe you of all people hasn't had a more moronic debate...lets be honest ?

 

And I see you still don't get the argument on why hookers should be removed..none of the other NPC's in GTA are also victims in RL

 

When I engage in spree shootings in GTA are the victims not the equivalent of the victims of real spree shootings? You're equating game actions with issues in the real world, so it bears to reason that what's true for one is true for all. Nitpicking at just the cases that make you feel the worse is the most telling bias of SJ; it is not about equality it is about emotion.

Which is why you can't justify your subjective reasoning to people using objective reasoning since your argument comes down to feelings. 

 

 

I keep explaining this point and it seems none of you guys are getting it so I must assume I am not explaining it properly 

 

The issue with hookers is that they are often victims of a lifestyle choice in RL . None of the other random people you can kill in GTA are like this. They have normal jobs, like a hotdog seller 


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Pardon, people shot, tortured, killed and such are not victims in real life? You're not actually seriously stating this are you, if so then there's no point arguing with you because that is flat out denying reality. Anyone can be a victim of crime in real life, anyone, this is not limited to sex workers.

 

Whether you are embarassed or not about using sex workers is your choice Bruce, if you have no shame about forcing yourself on young women, breaking the law and propagating a harmful and vicious trade in womens flesh, then bully for you. However i'll still think you're hypocritical and saying you support any kind of social justice is a slap in the face to the women you've bought.

 

As a father of daughters and a married man whom respects women you sicken me.

No I have no shame, should I? I go to legal strip clubs, why should I be ashamed ? None of the girls are trafficked..they work there as it pays well...they aren't forced. You don't seem to know much about strip clubs ?

 

But Nonek please stop pretending you actually care about the plight of girls who work in the sex industry. I doubt you do considering your contempt for women who wear revealing clothes..like when you said that young girls going out partying where you live  were dressed looking like whores....nice choice of words there to describe a liberated and confident young women...very progressive 

 

And you still missing the point, hookers in RL can be victims due to there lifestyle choice ...what crimes are you talking about 

 

 

You can go to however many strip clubs you wish to Bruce, you're right I have no need to pay women for their company and would not think of doing so, as I do not see women as pieces of meat to buy. However that is different to the prostitution you boast of indulging in, which is illegal and harmful to women across the world, and certainly makes your claims of supporting social justice hypocritical and two faced.

 

I do care for and respect women, and do not have contempt for women whom wear party clothing, I actually like the modern trend of dressing outrageously, though I do not wish my daughters to do so. As for when I said whores, that was in response to you calling Volourn's niece a whore, you brought that up not me, and i'd prefer such a term to be used rather than a politically correct term that abusers find comfortable such as escort.

 

Anybody can be a victim of crime in real life whatever their lifestyle choices or jobs, not just sex workers, a child could understand this.

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Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.

I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin.

 

Tea for the teapot!

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Pardon, people shot, tortured, killed and such are not victims in real life? You're not actually seriously stating this are you, if so then there's no point arguing with you because that is flat out denying reality. Anyone can be a victim of crime in real life, anyone, this is not limited to sex workers.

 

Whether you are embarassed or not about using sex workers is your choice Bruce, if you have no shame about forcing yourself on young women, breaking the law and propagating a harmful and vicious trade in womens flesh, then bully for you. However i'll still think you're hypocritical and saying you support any kind of social justice is a slap in the face to the women you've bought.

 

As a father of daughters and a married man whom respects women you sicken me.

No I have no shame, should I? I go to legal strip clubs, why should I be ashamed ? None of the girls are trafficked..they work there as it pays well...they aren't forced. You don't seem to know much about strip clubs ?

 

But Nonek please stop pretending you actually care about the plight of girls who work in the sex industry. I doubt you do considering your contempt for women who wear revealing clothes..like when you said that young girls going out partying where you live  were dressed looking like whores....nice choice of words there to describe a liberated and confident young women...very progressive 

 

And you still missing the point, hookers in RL can be victims due to there lifestyle choice ...what crimes are you talking about 

 

 

You can go to however many strip clubs you wish to Bruce, you're right I have no need to pay women for their company and would not think of doing so, as I do not see women as pieces of meat to buy. However that is different to the prostitution you boast of indulging in, which is illegal and harmful to women across the world, and certainly makes your claims of supporting social justice hypocritical and two faced.

 

I do care for and respect women, and do not have contempt for women whom wear party clothing, I actually like the modern trend of dressing outrageously, though I do not wish my daughters to do so. As for when I said whores, that was in response to you calling Volourn's niece a whore, you brought that up not me, and i'd prefer such a term to be used rather than a politically correct term that abusers find comfortable such as escort.

 

Anybody can be a victim of crime in real life whatever their lifestyle choices, not just sex workers, a child could understand this.

 

 

 

You don't understand my connection with strip clubs, you don't understand the context or why I go so lets stop  throwing around this baseless criticism  every single time you have a debate with me. Its really childish and I would think this type of debating etiquette was below you ?

 

I can't explain for a fourth time why hookers in  the game can be seen as different to other characters..sorry I give up trying to get you to see the point 

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Why do hookers need to be removed from GTA?

 

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore 

 

In summary many  hookers in RL  are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry?

By that justification, shouldn't black men be removed because they are the most likely to be murdered?

 

You not seriously comparing the quality of life of African Americans and hookers..you not suggesting they are the same?

 

The point that Polygon made can be argued and I am prepared to have the debate with you if you want?

Young black men are the most likely to be killed in America, particularly poor young black men. The conditions these people live in are terrible, with little opportunity for making legitimate money or advancement and crime being rampant around them. Seeing as the conditions many poor young black men live in are awful, why is murdering them in GTA acceptable but killing prostitutes not?

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"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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Anyway on to a matter relevant to journalism and ethics: Does anyone feel a slight suspicion with the almost perfect review scores that the Witcher III: Wild Hunt is recieving across the board? This seems very similar to the initial reviews of Skyrim, where major bugs were ignored and any problems were glossed over by clearly hyped players. I'm a fan of the Witcher games, but I cannot believe that the Wild Hunt realistically deserves such high scores, after all both of the previous two games were extremely buggy on release and required much patching, though the Enhanced Editions were a gesture above and beyond in my opinion. I hope the game is as good as these reviews are stating, but I seriously doubt it is so perfect, even now i'm hearing that the game struggles to maintain 30fps on console.

 

What do you think is contributing to these reviews? Is this merely the fashionable game to like, and the hype has reached critical mass, so that reviewers are ignoring the problems in the enjoyment of playing the game? Or could it be that we are seeing a game that does actually live up to the hype? If I were a betting man however I would lay down odds that we see secondary reviews from game journalists, reviewing the game again with a far more critical eye within a few months.

 

Do you think that this is a side effect of the gaming journalists lying that objective criticism is non existent, and everything is subjective, when journalism should of course be striving for unbiased objectivity at all times? In prioritising their feelings and enjoyment are they losing the ability to judge and criticise, after all we have seen what kind of regressive games they prioritise, that actively try and limit interactivity and jettison features and content, ironically enough under the guise of innovation.

 

@Bruce: Justify your using sex workers however you wish Bruce, you raised the subject not me, and it is hardly baseless when discussing sex workers stating that you are a hypocrite whom lies about supporting social justice. The reason why you cannot explain why sex workers being any different from other victims of crime is that there is no difference, as i've stated repeatedly anybody can be a victim of crime, no matter their profession. To argue otherwise is infantile.

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Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.

I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin.

 

Tea for the teapot!

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I guess this is boiling down to the 'punching down' thing that is 'problematic' in GTA ? So blowing away homeless people, whores and junkies is bad but blowing away corp whores or mercs or cops is acceptable - that kind of thing.

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Anyway on to a matter relevant to journalism and ethics: Does anyone feel a slight suspicion with the almost perfect review scores that the Witcher III: Wild Hunt is recieving across the board? This seems very similar to the initial reviews of Skyrim, where major bugs were ignored and any problems were glossed over by clearly hyped players. I'm a fan of the Witcher games, but I cannot believe that the Wild Hunt realistically deserves such high scores, after all both of the previous two games were extremely buggy on release and required much patching, though the Enhanced Editions were a gesture above and beyond in my opinion. I hope the game is as good as these reviews are stating, but I seriously doubt it is so perfect, even now i'm hearing that the game struggles to maintain 30fps on console.

 

What do you think is contributing to these reviews? Is this merely the fashionable game to like, and the hype has reached critical mass, so that reviewers are ignoring the problems in the enjoyment of playing the game? Or could it be that we are seeing a game that does actually live up to the hype? If I were a betting man however I would lay down odds that we see secondary reviews from game journalists, reviewing the game again with a far more critical eye.

 

Do you think that this is a side effect of the gaming journalists lying that objective criticism is non existent, and everything is subjective, when journalism should of course be striving for unbiased objectivity at all times? In prioritising their feelings and enjoyment are they losing the ability to judge and criticise, after all we have seen what kind of regressive games they prioritise, that actively try and limit interactivity and jettison features and content, ironically enough under the guise of innovation.

I think we need a separation between editorials and reviews(subjective) and news(objective), with different standards for both. Obviously disclosure should occur, and there should be some standards implemented to maintain professional distance.

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"Take your child murderin' god and shove his him up his own ass."-Volorun

 

"...the vote of a black redhead disabled homosexual transsexual Jew should probably be worth the same as at least a hundred white heterosexual Christians."-Rostere

 

"i can think of many women i would gladly sleep with, but not a single one that i would want as a girlfriend/wife... neither real nor fictional."-teknoman2

 

"I'm all for killing dogs in film." - algroth

 

"Iselmyr is the one who did GOMAD... Aloth is lactose intolerant" -ShadySands

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Why do hookers need to be removed from GTA?

Okay so there was an article on Polygon that raised this point and I supported it..but now I'm not so convinced anymore 

 

In summary many  hookers in RL  are subjected to real attacks of violence and abuse...and in GTA you can kill hookers so it just adds to the stereotype of how badly hookers are treated. Also where are the male gay hookers if you want to represent the sex industry?

By that justification, shouldn't black men be removed because they are the most likely to be murdered?

 

You not seriously comparing the quality of life of African Americans and hookers..you not suggesting they are the same?

 

The point that Polygon made can be argued and I am prepared to have the debate with you if you want?

Young black men are the most likely to be killed in America, particularly poor young black men. The conditions these people live in are terrible, with little opportunity for making legitimate money or advancement and crime being rampant around them. Seeing as the conditions many poor young black men live in are awful, why is murdering them in GTA acceptable but killing prostitutes not?

 

Look this is a good point that could be argued, you right

 

I did say I don't support this article anymore? I am just explaining its perspective 


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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I guess this is boiling down to the 'punching down' thing that is 'problematic' in GTA ? So blowing away homeless people, whores and junkies is bad but blowing away corp whores or mercs or cops is acceptable - that kind of thing.

 

Ýou see this is also a valid point...there are homeless people, that can be victims in RL,  in GTA that you can kill. So once again another valid criticism of the article 


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Anyway on to a matter relevant to journalism and ethics: Does anyone feel a slight suspicion with the almost perfect review scores that the Witcher III: Wild Hunt is recieving across the board? This seems very similar to the initial reviews of Skyrim, where major bugs were ignored and any problems were glossed over by clearly hyped players. I'm a fan of the Witcher games, but I cannot believe that the Wild Hunt realistically deserves such high scores, after all both of the previous two games were extremely buggy on release and required much patching, though the Enhanced Editions were a gesture above and beyond in my opinion. I hope the game is as good as these reviews are stating, but I seriously doubt it is so perfect, even now i'm hearing that the game struggles to maintain 30fps on console.

 

What do you think is contributing to these reviews? Is this merely the fashionable game to like, and the hype has reached critical mass, so that reviewers are ignoring the problems in the enjoyment of playing the game? Or could it be that we are seeing a game that does actually live up to the hype? If I were a betting man however I would lay down odds that we see secondary reviews from game journalists, reviewing the game again with a far more critical eye within a few months.

 

Do you think that this is a side effect of the gaming journalists lying that objective criticism is non existent, and everything is subjective, when journalism should of course be striving for unbiased objectivity at all times? In prioritising their feelings and enjoyment are they losing the ability to judge and criticise, after all we have seen what kind of regressive games they prioritise, that actively try and limit interactivity and jettison features and content, ironically enough under the guise of innovation.

No I think the W3 is really that good :)


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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Anyway on to a matter relevant to journalism and ethics: Does anyone feel a slight suspicion with the almost perfect review scores that the Witcher III: Wild Hunt is recieving across the board? This seems very similar to the initial reviews of Skyrim, where major bugs were ignored and any problems were glossed over by clearly hyped players. I'm a fan of the Witcher games, but I cannot believe that the Wild Hunt realistically deserves such high scores, after all both of the previous two games were extremely buggy on release and required much patching, though the Enhanced Editions were a gesture above and beyond in my opinion. I hope the game is as good as these reviews are stating, but I seriously doubt it is so perfect, even now i'm hearing that the game struggles to maintain 30fps on console.

 

What do you think is contributing to these reviews? Is this merely the fashionable game to like, and the hype has reached critical mass, so that reviewers are ignoring the problems in the enjoyment of playing the game? Or could it be that we are seeing a game that does actually live up to the hype? If I were a betting man however I would lay down odds that we see secondary reviews from game journalists, reviewing the game again with a far more critical eye.

 

Do you think that this is a side effect of the gaming journalists lying that objective criticism is non existent, and everything is subjective, when journalism should of course be striving for unbiased objectivity at all times? In prioritising their feelings and enjoyment are they losing the ability to judge and criticise, after all we have seen what kind of regressive games they prioritise, that actively try and limit interactivity and jettison features and content, ironically enough under the guise of innovation.

I think we need a separation between editorials and reviews(subjective) and news(objective), with different standards for both. Obviously disclosure should occur, and there should be some standards implemented to maintain professional distance.

 

 

It seems strange to me that game journalist cannot implement this, it is so simple to have an acknowldegement before the piece speaking of ones contact with a publisher and developer, along with any ties. It is not an onerous or complicated thing. Then make the review in two sections, one an objective critcism focusing on features, tech and issues etc, and one a subjective review. A simple process, and yet the game journalists refuse to disclose or acknowledge the plethora of objective points that any game has. It's pathetic really, and emphasise how reasonable these demands are, and how unreasonable and arrogant the game journalists are being.

 

Then again they've had many years of railing and preaching at their audience to become accustomed to it, must be hard to let go of their self righteous posturing.

 

Edit: More than ever I believe that a regulaory board is needed for game journalism, as well as a period of sharp adjustments and heavy fines for those whom flagrantly flout journalistic ethics such as Kotaku.

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Anyway on to a matter relevant to journalism and ethics: Does anyone feel a slight suspicion with the almost perfect review scores that the Witcher III: Wild Hunt is recieving across the board? This seems very similar to the initial reviews of Skyrim, where major bugs were ignored and any problems were glossed over by clearly hyped players. I'm a fan of the Witcher games, but I cannot believe that the Wild Hunt realistically deserves such high scores, after all both of the previous two games were extremely buggy on release and required much patching, though the Enhanced Editions were a gesture above and beyond in my opinion. I hope the game is as good as these reviews are stating, but I seriously doubt it is so perfect, even now i'm hearing that the game struggles to maintain 30fps on console.

 

What do you think is contributing to these reviews? Is this merely the fashionable game to like, and the hype has reached critical mass, so that reviewers are ignoring the problems in the enjoyment of playing the game? Or could it be that we are seeing a game that does actually live up to the hype? If I were a betting man however I would lay down odds that we see secondary reviews from game journalists, reviewing the game again with a far more critical eye.

 

Do you think that this is a side effect of the gaming journalists lying that objective criticism is non existent, and everything is subjective, when journalism should of course be striving for unbiased objectivity at all times? In prioritising their feelings and enjoyment are they losing the ability to judge and criticise, after all we have seen what kind of regressive games they prioritise, that actively try and limit interactivity and jettison features and content, ironically enough under the guise of innovation.

I think we need a separation between editorials and reviews(subjective) and news(objective), with different standards for both. Obviously disclosure should occur, and there should be some standards implemented to maintain professional distance.

 

 

It seems strange to me that game journalist cannot implement this, it is so simple to have an acknowldegement before the piece speaking of ones contact with a publisher and developer, along with any ties. It is not an onerous or complicated thing. Then make the review in two sections, one an objective critcism focusing on features, tech and issues etc, and one a subjective review. A simple process, and yet the game journalists refuse to disclose or acknowledge the plethora of objective points that any game has. It's pathetic really, and emphasise how reasonable these demands are, and how unreasonable and arrogant the game journalists are being.

 

Then again they've had many years of railing and preaching at their audience to become accustomed to it, must be hard to let go of their self righteous posturing.

 

Edit: More than ever I believe that a regulaory board is needed for game journalism, as well as a period of sharp adjustments and heavy fines for those whom flagrantly flout journalistic ethics such as Kotaku.

 

 

Sorry to seem to be disagreeing with you again but this is another point I fail to take seriously as I think you guys have convinced yourselves its real and relevant

 

There is this view that gaming journalists should be judged the same as real journalists...they are discussing a game, they aren't updating us on the Ukraine conflict. Why do you guys care about the integrity of reviews on RPS for example? Is this a website you use to get informed views from?

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Journalists should abide by journalistic ethics, when advising people on how to spend their hard earned money in a multi billion dollar industry, or when reporting from a war zone. This is once again childishly simple, and trying to render ethical concerns as unimportant because they are advising on an entertainment product is a moronic argument.

 

Edit: I've always thought that moral relativity is a particularly pathetic argument, yes I may tell my children to clean their plates because children are starving in Africa, but in a mature discussion it really has no place. To dismiss real and releavant issues of proven corruption, nepotism and unethical behaviour is to dismiss and demean all of journalism and ethical reporting, game journalists are literally tarnishing the entire professions reputation. At a time when that reputation has never been at a lower ebb, well I can't see why anyone would not take such issues seriously.

 

Though after RPS mocked the victims of the recent bomb threat against a Gamergate party, and insulted the victims of that hoax for no reason whatsoever, well I care even less about the scumbags opinions or their publication.

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Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.

I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin.

 

Tea for the teapot!

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Anyway on to a matter relevant to journalism and ethics: Does anyone feel a slight suspicion with the almost perfect review scores that the Witcher III: Wild Hunt is recieving across the board? This seems very similar to the initial reviews of Skyrim, where major bugs were ignored and any problems were glossed over by clearly hyped players. I'm a fan of the Witcher games, but I cannot believe that the Wild Hunt realistically deserves such high scores, after all both of the previous two games were extremely buggy on release and required much patching, though the Enhanced Editions were a gesture above and beyond in my opinion. I hope the game is as good as these reviews are stating, but I seriously doubt it is so perfect, even now i'm hearing that the game struggles to maintain 30fps on console.

 

What do you think is contributing to these reviews? Is this merely the fashionable game to like, and the hype has reached critical mass, so that reviewers are ignoring the problems in the enjoyment of playing the game? Or could it be that we are seeing a game that does actually live up to the hype? If I were a betting man however I would lay down odds that we see secondary reviews from game journalists, reviewing the game again with a far more critical eye.

 

Do you think that this is a side effect of the gaming journalists lying that objective criticism is non existent, and everything is subjective, when journalism should of course be striving for unbiased objectivity at all times? In prioritising their feelings and enjoyment are they losing the ability to judge and criticise, after all we have seen what kind of regressive games they prioritise, that actively try and limit interactivity and jettison features and content, ironically enough under the guise of innovation.

I think we need a separation between editorials and reviews(subjective) and news(objective), with different standards for both. Obviously disclosure should occur, and there should be some standards implemented to maintain professional distance.

This. When I go to a news website, the news is usually accompanied by a relevant picture, while editorial is accompanied by a picture of the author. Games websites usually have game pics for both.

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You know what I think is hilarious? That we're considering removing prostitutes from GTA V when, in reality you can do the exact same thing to a real world stripper and have the same effects (although probably less car chases and more "Who done it?"


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You know what I think is hilarious? That we're considering removing prostitutes from GTA V when, in reality you can do the exact same thing to a real world stripper and have the same effects (although probably less car chases and more "Who done it?"

If I'm not mistaken, that is the reasoning behind removing it.


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