Finished Triple Crown SOLO as cipher

[Ceranai]

Okay, I mean, sur congratulations on getting the achievement! But it's not a legit way to get it.

 

The point of ironman is to play the entire game with only ONE chance. Not multiple chances. By allowing yourself to quit and reload fights, you are giving yourself multiple chances. Which is, like I said, not the way it should be done.

 

There is also other issues I have with the way you got the achievements.

 

First, you have avoided the fights as much as possible by kitting the mobs using your mind control spells (tenuous graps, weapon of treason (which can be used out of combat)). So it is definitely not difficult to just use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away UNTIL there's one last mob standing. And from there you would just use tenuous graps and run past the last mob.

Second, you also probably sneaked past enemies when you could instead of fighting them. This is like if you would use a cheat, let's say an invisibility cheat, and you activate it and run through everything. What's the point? Really?

Third, I also think you skipped every side quests. Which is understandable, but meh, why. This game is supposed to be explored, not rushed.

 

So basically, you played the main quest only and skipped stuff as much as you could.

 

Now I'm not saying i'm not impressed. I'm actually very impressed. Especially with a cipher. Never thought it could be done! And some of the fights are scripted and you have no choice, but to go in. So I'm giving you all the credits for that.

 

BUT, we are yet to see someone do a triple crown legitimately.

 

Still, congratulations on your achievements!

mind controls cant be used out of combat, i think most of your complaints are a bit purist There is no chance in hell to win some of the fights with one character so if you are waiting for someone to find a magic build that lets them go god mode you are going to be sadly dissapointed, i mean what are you expecting exactly, 1v10 without stealthy tactics? For me the only reason this isnt legit is the save scumming, any methods that use ingame mechanics are valid imo

Edited April 7, 2015 by Ceranai

[bronzepoem]

Chinese players awesome～

[Emeus]

 

 

It is more like a SLG rather than RPG, didn't go to endless path nor do bounties, finish the game while level 10.

 

As limited by my poor English, I'll try to write a walkthrough.

 

 

Character Creation:

 

We don't need perception, so all races that boost perception is off the table, and we need wear helm, so Godlike is off the table, so the most suitable race would be Boreal Dwarf, +15 acc against wilder and Primordials may have limited use, but it fit for major quest.

 

Attributes: Min Per, max Int, Res and Dex, Con 10, rest go to Mig

 

Chosen Abilities:

level1: Tenuous Grasp, Whisper of Treason

level2: Mind wave

level3: Mental Binding, Mind blades

level4: Not important

level5: Puppet Master

level6: Not important

level7: Mind Lance, Silent Scream

level8: Body Attunement

level9: Ring leader, Borrowed Instinct

level10: Not important

 

 

Chosen Talents:

level2: Fast Runner (MUST HAVE!)

level4: Draining Whip

level6: Two weapon Style

level8: Gunner

level10: Deep Pockets

 

 

Important Items:

Carow Golan, Blacsonn, sold by merchants in House Doemenel and Scriveners Dormitory

Gaze of the Adragan Trap: One can be disarmed in the Skaen cult basement, sold by merchants in Copperlane and

Hearthsong, both need to finish there quest first(and side with them)

Iridescent Scarab Figurine, Oaken Scarab Figurine, Obsidian Lamp Figurine(see StrategyGuide Figurine section)

 

Unfinished...

 

I can't edit my topic, because I can't find the edit button, so let's continue here, all question will be answered in the walk through, I hope.

Skill:

Athletics 1~2

Lore 2 (to use fan of fire scroll)

then it goes to stealth and Mechanics, see walkthrough

Tips:

Always save before combat and important conversation and remember S/L would still be needed, and you need it more than often.

Game will auto save if you quit the game while out of combat

In combat, if you feel something is wrong like your character is going to die, quit the game, then reload

Out of combat, if you chosen a wrong selection through dialogue and did not result a fight, attack anyone nearby, then quit the game, and reload

A lot of enemies won't chase you for too long after you run out of their distance if they didn't get close to you

Tenuous Grasp can confuse enemy, a confused enemy will attract other enemies, after confusion is over, if no PC in sight, the combat stop, sometimes a single enemy will chase

you, but it can also be confused, so if you encounter some group of enemies that can not sneak pass through, use Tenuous Grasp, and run through them quickly while they are

fighting each other.

The food Farmer's Spread increase your move speed by 1, it also affect sneak, so remember gather ingredients.

You get almost infinite focus from hit after quaff a Carow Golan or Blacsonn.

Don't bring pet, sometimes they will mess things up.

 

Walkthrough:

I'll explain how to resolve some fight that should be difficult, the rest you can dig it up by your self.

There are some quests can be done with high Resolve, see Strategy Guide.

You can find a lot of hidden items by using the scout mode, see Strategy Guide.

Valewood

You will first encounter an outlaw, attack her with a ranged weapon or mind wave then run, after running enough distance she will turn back, attack her with mind wave then run

again, and then she will turn back again, get closer to her or stand still but do not attack, you should leave combat and get into combat immediately, with refreshed focus, do

the hit and run multiple times, she would be dead. Then sneak closer to the bandit camp, shoot the nearest bandit with a ranged weapon and run, then do the hit and run again

to finish him, go back to the bandit camp, cast Tenuous Grasp on the archer and attack her, before the confusion were off, charm the other bandit, and kill the archer, use

hit and run to finish the left bandit, and talk to the cook.

 

If you don't want to come back to this map again, head to the bear cave, sneak closer and cast Tenuous Grasp on one of the young bear then run to the entry, that bear can kill

young bear with a single hit. After all young bears are dead, cast Tenuous Grasp on the bear, see if it is moving a little bit far from the soul, if it is, go talk to the

soul, after finish talking, cast Tenuous Grasp on bear immediately, then run to the entry, leave the cave after leave combat.

 

 

Gilded Vale

You should have 4 stealth and 4 mechanics after reach here, go steal around, finish tasks and The smith's shipment quest, it is simple, just sneak and steal the quest item

then take it back to the smith. Leave other quests along. After all finished you should be level 4, put all skill points into stealth.

Before leaving, buy a rope from smith.

 

Caed Nua

Sneak through the bottom edge, then you will encounter a group of elements, confuse one or two of them then head to the door of main keep. Now prepare for S/L, in the main

keep, confuse those ghosts for many as you like, then run to the north east corner, that corner blocks enemy sight and you can talk to housecarl safely. Sneak head down to Old

Nua level 1, unlock the door lead to Maerwald by mechanics 4, after fight start, 3 elements will be summoned by Maerwald, confuse the Fire Blight(with +15 acc), then run out

of the room, if you are lucky Maerwald's fresh new chill fog and fire ball will clear those elements out, if not, confuse another element and do it again, don't forget you

can still attack with ranged weapon and elements are moving slowly. After elements are cleared out or left by1, lure Maerwald out, run around quickly to avoid his aoe attack, then lure the spiders out from the room in south east, if you didn't stuck by spider web, lure spider to attack Maerwald, charm the left element, the rest fight should be easy.

Unfinished...

 

 

Additional remark:

After an enemy is confused, you need to run back so other enemy will go attack there fellow, but spells that target on you won't cancel, so you have interrupt them.

 

 

Now if you already find a Carow Golan in your travel, head to Dyrford Village, accept task Cat and Mouse and prepare for S/L, go to the 2nd floor of inn, after open the door of

Nyfre's room run back fast, then start fight trough dialogue, cast mental binding to stuck them before they get out the door, move to right a little bit so enemy ranger can

not set DOT on you, then cast Tenuous Grasp on the Hooded women, after that, run to the corner of the room next to Nyfre's room(probably need to close the door), wait the

combat stop(sometimes Nyfre will chase you to the room alone, you will see how to deal with her), after combat stop, sneak out and cast Tenuous Grasp on the Hooded man, he

should be killed by his fellow, then do then same thing to the Hooded women. After both of them are dead, quaff a Carow Golan, then use sneak to lure Nyfre out, cast mental

binding on her and hit her with two weapons, combine draining whip and Carow Golan, you can gain 15 focus within 2 hits, but Nyfre's will defense is very high, you may need to

reload, after kill her, you get her armor, it grants +2 stealth! Then you can go deal with the left mage and ranger, and sell the loot for a good price.

 

 

Now go accept task Net egg and quest A farmer's plight, buy another rope from local smith, heading to Dyrford Crossing, using Tenuous Grasp to bypass beetles and wolves, also use

Tenuous Grasp, charm and ranged attack to clear out the way to the ogre cave, you still need Tenuous Grasp to get to the ogre, after meet the ogre, persuade him to leave or

come to your stronghold, then go back to Dryford Village, talk to the farmer, give him 400cp, and you will receive the most powerful blunderbuss for cipher - Lead Spitter.

 

 

Head back to DryfordCrossing, go to the top right location and confront a group of bandits, ask them what do they know about dragon eggs and scare enemy mage away, after

combat start, run fast, an enemy monk will chase you out, mental binding him and shoot him in the face, then switch to two weapons, hit him - bind him - hit him - bind him,

and he is dead, sneak back to the nest, if the enemy archer is out there, use sneak to lure her out and do the binding attack, if she is not, cast Tenuous Grasp on one of the

enemy close by Sevis then charm the archer, Sevis's damage is extremely high, he can one shot you, so does he can slain his fellow very soon, after there is only Sevis left

alone, equip a crossbow, lure Sevis out near the wurm, mental binding him, attack wurm once with crossbow, then run, you might get hit by several fire ball, but Sevis will be

overwhelmed by the rest.

loot their body, you can get a stag helm, wear it, now use 2 rope to get the egg, and head back to town, after the task is finish, you should be

level 5, put skill points into mechanics. There is a Noxious Burst Trap you can disarm in a backer's house, now you are ready to go to the Defiance Bay.

Unfished...

[Jean-Luc]

mind controls cant be used out of combat...

 

 

Tenuous Grasp can be used out of combat, the charm and dominate spells can't. The first thing that came to mind when I saw the title of this thread was confusion hit & run. 

[DIXI]

Yes, tenuous grasps can  be used out of combat. So all you have to do is spam tenuous grasp until it works and the mobs are going to kill the confused mob.

 

* And I'm not expecting anyone to go rush in fights and beat the sh** out of all the mobs on PotD. I know this can't be achieve without kitting. But seriously, mind control a mob and run? Geez. Everyone can do that, just needs patience. 

 

That's just my opinion. I was expecting some hate from my post, but yeah. That's how it is for me.

Edited April 7, 2015 by DIXI

[Ceranai]

Yes, tenuous grasps can  be used out of combat. So all you have to do is spam tenuous grasp until it works and the mobs are going to kill the confused mob.

 

* And I'm not expecting anyone to go rush in fights and beat the sh** out of all the mobs on PotD. I know this can't be achieve without kitting. But seriously, mind control a mob and run? Geez. Everyone can do that, just needs patience. 

 

That's just my opinion. I was expecting some hate from my post, but yeah. That's how it is for me.

I guess thats fair enough, it just seemed like you werent willing to accept any non-conventional tactics, for example I stacked movement speed on my chanter, most mobs i can run circles around until my summons are ready but im also stacking deflection for when ranged mobs destroy me

[Vasya]

Geez. Everyone can do that, just needs patience. 

 

Well, poe is not cybersport. You can do what other player did, if you know how.

[Emeus]

Okay, I mean, sur congratulations on getting the achievement! But it's not a legit way to get it.

 

The point of ironman is to play the entire game with only ONE chance. Not multiple chances. By allowing yourself to quit and reload fights, you are giving yourself multiple chances. Which is, like I said, not the way it should be done.

 

There is also other issues I have with the way you got the achievements.

 

First, you have avoided the fights as much as possible by kitting the mobs using your mind control spells (tenuous graps, weapon of treason (which can be used out of combat)). So it is definitely not difficult to just use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away UNTIL there's one last mob standing. And from there you would just use tenuous graps and run past the last mob.

Second, you also probably sneaked past enemies when you could instead of fighting them. This is like if you would use a cheat, let's say an invisibility cheat, and you activate it and run through everything. What's the point? Really?

Third, I also think you skipped every side quests. Which is understandable, but meh, why. This game is supposed to be explored, not rushed.

 

So basically, you played the main quest only and skipped stuff as much as you could.

 

Now I'm not saying i'm not impressed. I'm actually very impressed. Especially with a cipher. Never thought it could be done! And some of the fights are scripted and you have no choice, but to go in. So I'm giving you all the credits for that.

 

BUT, we are yet to see someone do a triple crown legitimately.

 

Still, congratulations on your achievements!

As long as the game allowed you to save and won't delete your save game while quit the game in combat, it is legit, and perhaps you misunderstanding something about this "quit", even you save while in normal condition, you still going to quit to the main page, the triple crown simply won't allow you to save or load in game due to it's special system.

And talk about a no S/L triple crown, in triple crown all enemy state, including defenses are increased, a non-caster would have no chance to survive, and all caster depend on a fail check of their enemy, if it is in the big map, of course they can run, but what can you do if you are in a building? Still I think it is possible, but I rather take that luck to buy some lottery tickets, I might be a millionaire after then.

[Ceranai]

 

Geez. Everyone can do that, just needs patience. 

 

Well, poe is not cybersport. You can do what other player did, if you know how.

 

I think his point was that it doesnt take any real planning or tactics to just spam mind controls, debateable if thats true

[DIXI]

Btw, a guy just posted a solo triple crown on steam community hub legitimately except the last boss. Just sayin.

[I am Catharsis]

Congrats for this!

 

I'm a bit jealous now

[MadDemiurg]

Btw, a guy just posted a solo triple crown on steam community hub legitimately except the last boss. Just sayin.

As I said, you'll never know. And for the final fight - you absolutely need to land some hard disable, which is all luck based, unless you get super high accuracy with it, and I'm not sure it's possible, didn't do the math yet.

Edited April 7, 2015 by MadDemiurg

[Ceranai]

 

Okay, I mean, sur congratulations on getting the achievement! But it's not a legit way to get it.

 

The point of ironman is to play the entire game with only ONE chance. Not multiple chances. By allowing yourself to quit and reload fights, you are giving yourself multiple chances. Which is, like I said, not the way it should be done.

 

There is also other issues I have with the way you got the achievements.

 

First, you have avoided the fights as much as possible by kitting the mobs using your mind control spells (tenuous graps, weapon of treason (which can be used out of combat)). So it is definitely not difficult to just use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away UNTIL there's one last mob standing. And from there you would just use tenuous graps and run past the last mob.

Second, you also probably sneaked past enemies when you could instead of fighting them. This is like if you would use a cheat, let's say an invisibility cheat, and you activate it and run through everything. What's the point? Really?

Third, I also think you skipped every side quests. Which is understandable, but meh, why. This game is supposed to be explored, not rushed.

 

So basically, you played the main quest only and skipped stuff as much as you could.

 

Now I'm not saying i'm not impressed. I'm actually very impressed. Especially with a cipher. Never thought it could be done! And some of the fights are scripted and you have no choice, but to go in. So I'm giving you all the credits for that.

 

BUT, we are yet to see someone do a triple crown legitimately.

 

Still, congratulations on your achievements!

As long as the game allowed you to save and won't delete your save game while quit the game in combat, it is legit, and perhaps you misunderstanding something about this "quit", even you save while in normal condition, you still going to quit to the main page, the triple crown simply won't allow you to save or load in game due to it's special system.

And talk about a no S/L triple crown, in triple crown all enemy state, including defenses are increased, a non-caster would have no chance to survive, and all caster depend on a fail check of their enemy, if it is in the big map, of course they can run, but what can you do if you are in a building? Still I think it is possible, but I rather take that luck to buy some lottery tickets, I might be a millionaire after then.

 

It isnt legit.... you may as well just edit save games, the game allows you to do that and still keep the steam achievement, the point was that if you are going to save scum you really havnt played with trial of iron, even if the game thinks you have the entire point of trial of iron is that you get one save game and one chance at everything, by circumventing that condition your game was not a real trial of iron even if the game recognises it as one. Its still a great achievement but I think you are missing the point of triple crown

[Emeus]

Actually you know if you can reproduce it.

 

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edit: I am lead to believe that it is safer to draw beetles than spiders. As noted spiders can stuck. Also that corner did not work for me as it was closest to Phantoms and they could attack me there in 2.

I write the walkthrough through picture and memory, you probably need disorganize their position by confusion and lure them far away, so you have sufficient time to stealth after talk to housecarl, also, 6 stealth is required. 

[knownastherat]

I had Fleet Feet on. And kitting skillz   From one direction the boss and adds come and from the other beetles. They move on straight lines so its just matter of timing and luck. If spiders worked for you, alright with me. I had Stealth 5 there and was able to pass spiders in the room before the one in question.

 

btw did you get the quest update as if you would kill him? I did not get to kill him and seems I missed the update about the temple I should go to. Now it just says vague .. go to Defiance Bay and some details

[Emeus]

 

 

Okay, I mean, sur congratulations on getting the achievement! But it's not a legit way to get it.

 

The point of ironman is to play the entire game with only ONE chance. Not multiple chances. By allowing yourself to quit and reload fights, you are giving yourself multiple chances. Which is, like I said, not the way it should be done.

 

There is also other issues I have with the way you got the achievements.

 

First, you have avoided the fights as much as possible by kitting the mobs using your mind control spells (tenuous graps, weapon of treason (which can be used out of combat)). So it is definitely not difficult to just use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away UNTIL there's one last mob standing. And from there you would just use tenuous graps and run past the last mob.

Second, you also probably sneaked past enemies when you could instead of fighting them. This is like if you would use a cheat, let's say an invisibility cheat, and you activate it and run through everything. What's the point? Really?

Third, I also think you skipped every side quests. Which is understandable, but meh, why. This game is supposed to be explored, not rushed.

 

So basically, you played the main quest only and skipped stuff as much as you could.

 

Now I'm not saying i'm not impressed. I'm actually very impressed. Especially with a cipher. Never thought it could be done! And some of the fights are scripted and you have no choice, but to go in. So I'm giving you all the credits for that.

 

BUT, we are yet to see someone do a triple crown legitimately.

 

Still, congratulations on your achievements!

As long as the game allowed you to save and won't delete your save game while quit the game in combat, it is legit, and perhaps you misunderstanding something about this "quit", even you save while in normal condition, you still going to quit to the main page, the triple crown simply won't allow you to save or load in game due to it's special system.

And talk about a no S/L triple crown, in triple crown all enemy state, including defenses are increased, a non-caster would have no chance to survive, and all caster depend on a fail check of their enemy, if it is in the big map, of course they can run, but what can you do if you are in a building? Still I think it is possible, but I rather take that luck to buy some lottery tickets, I might be a millionaire after then.

 

It isnt legit.... you may as well just edit save games, the game allows you to do that and still keep the steam achievement, the point was that if you are going to save scum you really havnt played with trial of iron, even if the game thinks you have the entire point of trial of iron is that you get one save game and one chance at everything, by circumventing that condition your game was not a real trial of iron even if the game recognises it as one. Its still a great achievement but I think you are missing the point of triple crown

 

There is no meaning for calumniate, and in trial of iron's description it never said you can not S/L, also let me mention it again, there is no perfect tactic for path of the dammed, enemy state is too high, their high defenses will tear your tactics apart, what left is pure luck, your, so called triple crown, is based on pure luck, that is meanness, or meaning a waist of life to me. And again to myself, no game data modified, then S/L is just a reproduce for the circumstances, that is legit.

[Emeus]

I had Fleet Feet on. And kitting skillz   From one direction the boss and adds come and from the other beetles. They move on straight lines so its just matter of timing and luck. If spiders worked for you, alright with me. I had Stealth 5 there and was able to pass spiders in the room before the one in question.

 

btw did you get the quest update as if you would kill him? I did not get to kill him and seems I missed the update about the temple I should go to. Now it just says vague .. go to Defiance Bay and some details

It seems you only get notice while receiving new quest in expert mode, you can still read the journal for details.

[Odd Hermit]

                                                                                                  
"Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning."
- Yamamoto Tsunetomo, Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai

"I would prefer to fail with honor than win by cheating."
- Sophocles

The Trial of Iron mode has been presented in Pillars of Eternity as a special, optional challenge for players who wish to undertake it. This mode restricts players to a single save game. If the party is ever defeated, the save game is deleted.

We do not believe it is necessary for us to police how players manipulate their save game data. You may choose to play Trial of Iron in whatever manner you see fit. However, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you to consider the following: what does it mean to achieve victory in Trial of Iron if the spirit of the challenge has been broken? What does defeat mean if you have pursued victory in the spirit of the challenge?

Think upon this and act as your conscience dictates. Thanks for reading.

J.E. Sawyer
Director and Lead Designer

 

__________

 

 

Which kind of makes me wish there weren't steam achieves. You know people will cheat it for internet points or whatever. I think it'd've been better as a personal challenge than something you can show off.

 

Not that it isn't interesting to see how people do it, it kinda makes into a trial and error puzzle game.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Odd Hermit

[Ceranai]

                                                                                                  

"Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning."

- Yamamoto Tsunetomo, Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai

 

"I would prefer to fail with honor than win by cheating."

- Sophocles

 

The Trial of Iron mode has been presented in Pillars of Eternity as a special, optional challenge for players who wish to undertake it. This mode restricts players to a single save game. If the party is ever defeated, the save game is deleted.

 

We do not believe it is necessary for us to police how players manipulate their save game data. You may choose to play Trial of Iron in whatever manner you see fit. However, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you to consider the following: what does it mean to achieve victory in Trial of Iron if the spirit of the challenge has been broken? What does defeat mean if you have pursued victory in the spirit of the challenge?

 

Think upon this and act as your conscience dictates. Thanks for reading.

 

J.E. Sawyer

Director and Lead Designer

exactly this is the easter egg i mentioned earlier this is my point, yes you can get the triple crown achievement and still save scum but you havnt truly overcome the challenge

[Emeus]

                                                                                                  

"Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning."

- Yamamoto Tsunetomo, Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai

 

"I would prefer to fail with honor than win by cheating."

- Sophocles

 

The Trial of Iron mode has been presented in Pillars of Eternity as a special, optional challenge for players who wish to undertake it. This mode restricts players to a single save game. If the party is ever defeated, the save game is deleted.

 

We do not believe it is necessary for us to police how players manipulate their save game data. You may choose to play Trial of Iron in whatever manner you see fit. However, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you to consider the following: what does it mean to achieve victory in Trial of Iron if the spirit of the challenge has been broken? What does defeat mean if you have pursued victory in the spirit of the challenge?

 

Think upon this and act as your conscience dictates. Thanks for reading.

 

J.E. Sawyer

Director and Lead Designer

And so there is no manipulated save game data, no cheating, but challenge for ever circumstances you may pass or may not, personally I do not see anything wrong.

[Ceranai]

 

                                                                                                  

"Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning."

- Yamamoto Tsunetomo, Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai

 

"I would prefer to fail with honor than win by cheating."

- Sophocles

 

The Trial of Iron mode has been presented in Pillars of Eternity as a special, optional challenge for players who wish to undertake it. This mode restricts players to a single save game. If the party is ever defeated, the save game is deleted.

 

We do not believe it is necessary for us to police how players manipulate their save game data. You may choose to play Trial of Iron in whatever manner you see fit. However, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you to consider the following: what does it mean to achieve victory in Trial of Iron if the spirit of the challenge has been broken? What does defeat mean if you have pursued victory in the spirit of the challenge?

 

Think upon this and act as your conscience dictates. Thanks for reading.

 

J.E. Sawyer

Director and Lead Designer

And so there is no manipulated save game data, no cheating, but challenge for ever circumstances you may pass or may not, personally I do not see anything wrong.

 

"If the party is ever defeated, the save game is deleted" By quiting and reloading when things get bad you give yourself infinite lives, again solo PoTD is still very impressive but i dont see how you dont see that save scumming makes it easier by a factor of ten... its quite clear that triple crown is supposed to be for those sadistic insane people who want to win the game with one character, no help and one life. 

 

What is the difference between your game and a game that had trial of iron turned off? You reloaded anything that killed you or anything you did wrong, surely you see that the point of trial of iron is you get one chance?

[Odd Hermit]

Especially on a class with "save or die" type powers. You could retry until you get an amazing roll using the "quit if it didn't work" approach.

[pi2repsion]

There is no cheating, but there is a misleading and false thread title.

 

It would be more accurate for the title to say "Acquired the Triple Crown SOLO achievement by quitting the game to avoid death", since the game has not been finished playing with the rules the Triple Crown imposes but has used quitting the game whenever it looked as if death was possible to avoid the Trial of Iron component.

 

Let's face it - the player has finished TWO of the crowns SOLO, not three, and that's certainly worthy of respect and bragging rights.

 

It is an entirely legit way of acquiring the Steam achievement for three by quitting as necessary to avoid death, and it speaks to a remarkable patience, willingness to endure, and possibly a lust for Steam achievements, and it is certainly an achievement of its own.

 

It just isn't the Triple Crown Solo achievement as players understand it, having nothing whatsoever to do with completing a game in Ironman mode.

[Ceranai]

Especially on a class with "save or die" type powers. You could retry until you get an amazing roll using the "quit if it didn't work" approach.

So far my chanter is qutie reliably winning fights, i mean some i have to run away from and im avoiding fights in confined spaces until ive outleveled them as much as i can, Im thinking once i get decent figurines I can open a fight with summons, that should give me enough time to get my own summons up and from there i have an infinite pool of HP as long as im summoning as fast as they die, cleared temple level 4 with this technique, goodbye stun lock :D :D :D

 

 

 

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Edited April 7, 2015 by Ceranai

[Rosveen]

Okay, I mean, sur congratulations on getting the achievement! But it's not a legit way to get it.

 

The point of ironman is to play the entire game with only ONE chance. Not multiple chances. By allowing yourself to quit and reload fights, you are giving yourself multiple chances. Which is, like I said, not the way it should be done.

 

There is also other issues I have with the way you got the achievements.

 

First, you have avoided the fights as much as possible by kitting the mobs using your mind control spells (tenuous graps, weapon of treason (which can be used out of combat)). So it is definitely not difficult to just use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away, use your spell, run away UNTIL there's one last mob standing. And from there you would just use tenuous graps and run past the last mob.

Second, you also probably sneaked past enemies when you could instead of fighting them. This is like if you would use a cheat, let's say an invisibility cheat, and you activate it and run through everything. What's the point? Really?

Third, I also think you skipped every side quests. Which is understandable, but meh, why. This game is supposed to be explored, not rushed.

 

So basically, you played the main quest only and skipped stuff as much as you could.

 

Now I'm not saying i'm not impressed. I'm actually very impressed. Especially with a cipher. Never thought it could be done! And some of the fights are scripted and you have no choice, but to go in. So I'm giving you all the credits for that.

 

BUT, we are yet to see someone do a triple crown legitimately.

 

Still, congratulations on your achievements!

That's BS. Stealth is a regular skill, you think using a skill the way it was designed is cheating? You might as well say that choosing a diplomatic quest solution to avoid bloodshed is cheating. It makes no sense to expect a solo DiD run to charge head on into every battle. On the contrary, knowing which fights to avoid - and how to avoid them - is a part of the challenge.