Kerry's Israeli/Palestinian peace talks

[Zoraptor]

Most of historic Khazaria is Ukraine now, so Israel will become just another part of the resurgent Grand Duchy of Kyiv, clearly. They'll need a rebadged Swede to be Grand Duke though.

[Walsingham]

Most of historic Khazaria is Ukraine now, so Israel will become just another part of the resurgent Grand Duchy of Kyiv, clearly. They'll need a rebadged Swede to be Grand Duke though.

 

NOW you're talking. Where do I sign up?

[Zoraptor]

You really need to be a Swede, I'm afraid, or prove relevant ancestry. Might be stretchable to a generic scandic if there's a lack of applicants, given that people aren't certain where Rurik came from and Sweden is just most likely.

 

And in slightly more relevant news, apparently Arafat was dosed by polonium prior to his sickness and death. Seems unlikely that it will have any direct consequences since most of the people who will be angry at the news will have suspected it for a long time.

[Rostere]

Here's a link which goes directly to the 108-page Swiss medical report: http://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/killing-arafat/Swiss-forensic-report-Arafat-death-201311671255163780.html

 

Yeah, it's been very much suspected/known he was murdered, which is probably why Al Jazeera went to such lengths to document this. However he had a lot of enemies in Palestinian society, which is why the current Palestinian officials are not really pushing this very hard... However polonium is very hard to come by, it would be interesting to know about how the killers obtained it.

[Zoraptor]

Yeah, killing with polonium won't be from any palestinian enemy. Too obscure (pre Litvinenko), too difficult to obtain, has to come from a (very few) external source(s) through an Israeli blockade and most any palestinian would find a 'better' use for it than killing Arafat. Polonium fits someone whose primary motive is to do it not just surreptitiously in terms of who did it, but surreptitiously in terms of it happening at all. Po says Israel and pretty much only Israel, nobody else had motive means and opportunity.

 

I'd suspect the current crop of leaders aren't pushing it hard because they already suspected and they're getting a lot of pressure not to rather than antipathy to Arafat though

[Walsingham]

Isn't the point about polonium that it only really comes from Russia? I'm sure I read that somewhere, so it must be true.

[obyknven]

Most of historic Khazaria is Ukraine now, so Israel will become just another part of the resurgent Grand Duchy of Kyiv, clearly. They'll need a rebadged Swede to be Grand Duke though.

Historic Khazaria placed between Don, Volga and North Caucasus. It's Russian territory.

 

And about Sweden... I cant find Sweden on maps even in XII century. How they can invited Swede in 862 AD if in this time nor Sweden, nor Sweden people yet not exist?

 

 

Isn't the point about polonium that it only really comes from Russia? I'm sure I read that somewhere, so it must be true.

Nope

http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_5

Anyone can build Polonium in present time.

[BruceVC]

 

Most of historic Khazaria is Ukraine now, so Israel will become just another part of the resurgent Grand Duchy of Kyiv, clearly. They'll need a rebadged Swede to be Grand Duke though.

Historic Khazaria placed between Don, Volga and North Caucasus. It's Russian territory.

 

And about Sweden... I cant find Sweden on maps even in XII century. How they can invited Swede in 862 AD if in this time nor Sweden, nor Sweden people yet not exist?

 

 

Isn't the point about polonium that it only really comes from Russia? I'm sure I read that somewhere, so it must be true.

Nope

http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_5

Anyone can build Polonium in present time.

 

 

Oby you have confirmed what I have always suspected, Sweden was created by powerful Western corporations in the last 100 years in order to breed hot blond women that will conquer the known world and force us to follow one government . Its not a real country !!!!  

[Zoraptor]

Isn't the point about polonium that it only really comes from Russia? I'm sure I read that somewhere, so it must be true.

Nope, you basically just need a reactor as it's practically a synthetic element- it has limited uses so isn't made much though most of the commercial stuff does come from Russia, I believe.

 

Israel certainly could make it easily enough, indeed there were persistent rumours that a bunch of scientists in Israel actually died from exposure to polonium a while back.

[TrashMan]

Teh solution:

 

 

 

AMURICA! FUK YEAH!

[Walsingham]

A nuclear final solution. Tasteful.

[TrashMan]

Tastes are subjective.

[Walsingham]

Language, gentlemen.

[TrashMan]

I only speak in the language of FREEDOM. Which is incedently the same language as guns.

[Azdeus]

Oby you have confirmed what I have always suspected, Sweden was created by powerful Western corporations in the last 100 years in order to breed hot blond women that will conquer the known world and force us to follow one government . Its not a real country !!!!  

 

 

Hey, Sweden is doing what we've been doing the last thousand years; Exporting furniture around the world, having you furnish your homes in the fashion we find appealing, so that when the day comes, and we take over the world - we'll find it homey!

 

Ikea is'nt a company; It's a tactic!

[BruceVC]

 

Oby you have confirmed what I have always suspected, Sweden was created by powerful Western corporations in the last 100 years in order to breed hot blond women that will conquer the known world and force us to follow one government . Its not a real country !!!!  

 

 

Hey, Sweden is doing what we've been doing the last thousand years; Exporting furniture around the world, having you furnish your homes in the fashion we find appealing, so that when the day comes, and we take over the world - we'll find it homey!

 

Ikea is'nt a company; It's a tactic!

 

 

Azdeus would you say Sweden is its own country or do you consider it part of Denmark?

 

Edited November 8, 2013 by BruceVC

[Azdeus]

We're a shadowcoalition of the scandinavian countries, made to look like we have a clue with the support of all the others; Oil-money from Norway, cell-phone money from Finland and... pastries and candy money from Denmark.

These moneys are used to build up the image of a strong socialist country that acts as a knowitall and made up as something to aspire to as to have the rest of the world be as comfy as possible for us when we finally dig out our horned helmets again!

 

This plan is something that has been started during the Viking Age as we call it, when we kidnapped all the pretty ladies from around Europe and started our export business of goods.

 

I'm pleased to report, it's so far working Just as Planned, and noone has got a clue yet.

 

*Mutters* Part of DENMARK?! The only reason why they were'nt made part of the Swedish EMPIRE is because we DID'NT WANT Denmark!!

[BruceVC]

We're a shadowcoalition of the scandinavian countries, made to look like we have a clue with the support of all the others; Oil-money from Norway, cell-phone money from Finland and... pastries and candy money from Denmark.

These moneys are used to build up the image of a strong socialist country that acts as a knowitall and made up as something to aspire to as to have the rest of the world be as comfy as possible for us when we finally dig out our horned helmets again!

 

This plan is something that has been started during the Viking Age as we call it, when we kidnapped all the pretty ladies from around Europe and started our export business of goods.

 

I'm pleased to report, it's so far working Just as Planned, and noone has got a clue yet.

 

*Mutters* Part of DENMARK?! The only reason why they were'nt made part of the Swedish EMPIRE is because we DID'NT WANT Denmark!!

 

  ...good one

 

I like your sense of humour

[Rostere]

The polonium essentially means that a country must have backed the murder of Arafat. He obviously had many enemies in Israel, but it's more likely that the actual poisoning was performed by a Palestinian. I think it's very unlikely that the polonium was obtained from any country other than Israel.

 

BTW, here's a report on the leaked Russian investigation: http://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/killing-arafat/experts-question-russian-arafat-findings-2013118102237239238.html

 

Apparently Russia's foreign ministry made efforts as to make it not look like a polonium poisoning...

Edited November 9, 2013 by Rostere

[Orogun01]

My conspiracy sense is tingling.

[Azdeus]

 

And about Sweden... I cant find Sweden on maps even in XII century. How they can invited Swede in 862 AD if in this time nor Sweden, nor Sweden people yet not exist?

 

 

 

By the way Oby, far be it from me to question your deductive/reading skills, but there are letters making up words on that map, and they say "Svear", "Götar" and "Gotland (Land of the Gutar)". Just for the hell of it, I typed it into wikipedia to see if the english version would recognize it;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svear

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tar

 

Svear and Swedes are names for the same thing... And it clearly points out sources mentioning Svear/Swedes from way before 800AD.

 

Just thought I'd drop that in your lap and see where you run with it.

[Zoraptor]

Shame the Swedish royal family is actually french now, or we could have a proper swedish Tsar (not one of those parvenu Romanov johnny come latelies who were, after all, german post Yekaterina the Velikaya anyway) appointed to succeed Putin I and lead Russia and the Ukraine back to glory.

[Gorth]

Wasn't there something there about one of Napoleon's generals getting a field promotion to king there?

[obyknven]

 

 

And about Sweden... I cant find Sweden on maps even in XII century. How they can invited Swede in 862 AD if in this time nor Sweden, nor Sweden people yet not exist?

 

 

 

By the way Oby, far be it from me to question your deductive/reading skills, but there are letters making up words on that map, and they say "Svear", "Götar" and "Gotland (Land of the Gutar)". Just for the hell of it, I typed it into wikipedia to see if the english version would recognize it;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svear

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tar

 

Svear and Swedes are names for the same thing... And it clearly points out sources mentioning Svear/Swedes from way before 800AD.

 

Just thought I'd drop that in your lap and see where you run with it.

 

 Oh, lol, ancient Swedes and other wet naionalistic bull**** from late XIX century. Meanwhile IRL

http://sweden.se/society/history-of-sweden/

 

The Vasa period

The foundations of the Swedish state were laid during the reign of Gustav Vasa (1523–60). The church was nationalised, its estates confiscated by the crown, and the Protestant Reformation was introduced. Power was concentrated in the hands of the king and hereditary monarchy came into force in 1544.

 

 dude, IRL hisorians even don't known who is who during Migration Period and Dark Ages they just have no trustword sources.

Historians talk about Germans only after unification quite different ethically states into Germany only in XIX century, and about Swedes only after XVI century by same reason. Before this time nor Germans nor Swedes yet not exist, your nations quite young really (in difference with most old European states/Nation's as France, Poland, Czech and Russia)

[Zoraptor]

Wasn't there something there about one of Napoleon's generals getting a field promotion to king there?

Bernadotte. Not one of the better marshalls and he actively hated Napoleon despite, iirc, being his brother in law. In a vaguely on topic observation it was one of his descendants who the Stern Gang (or was it the Irgun/ Haganah?) murdered just prior to the partition of Palestine when he was trying to mediate for the UN.

 

Should have gone for one of:

Davout- as best marshall

MacDonald- could establish a chain of restaurants equivalent to Ikea in ubiquitousness, also possibility of forming United Kingdom of Sweden and Scotland in a year or so time to compensate for losing Norway's North Sea petrodollars. Plus Etienne MacDonald is a very cool name.

Poniatowski, despite being a mere general- epically trolling P/Russia and Austria and as a sort of reverse Gustav Adolphus, plus lots of free cores on Poland and Lithuania.