Woman has visions, leads police to body

[Wrath of Dagon]

A woman who told authorities she'd had visions led authorities to the body, a detective in the case said Thursday.

 

Riverside County Sheriff's Detective John Powers told KFI-AM radio that Pam Ragland found the body matching the description of Smith.

 

Powers said Ragland called a tip line to say she was envisioning a location, and was invited to join the search.

 

Ragland and her children came to the house without knowing it was the boy's, walked on to the property and right to the partially buried body, according to the detective.

 

Powers said he searched the area previously without seeing it. He said the situation is "extremely bizarre" and he's "blown away."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/12/detective-woman-with-visions-led-to-boy-body/?test=latestnews

[Walsingham]

What was your take on this, Dagon?

[Meshugger]

She was the killer.

[LadyCrimson]

She was the killer.

Or she knows who is, and they told her.

[Azdeus]

Or she witnessed it.

 

A million dollars says she can't replicate anything similar to this, and I predict, if she does'nt go to jail herself, that she will ride this to her own fame and fortune - whilst phoning in tips to the police that waste manpower and resources investigating her claims.

Edited July 13, 2013 by Azdeus

[BruceVC]

Personally I can accept the possibility of someone having enhanced perception or some sort of psychic ability. I don't know enough about it to factually debate it but there are numerous cases of people doing extraordinary things with there minds so why not being able to find a hidden body? 

[Azdeus]

Well, there is no plausible way for it to work to start with.

Then there is the fact that there are ways to do it without any supernatural/paranormal influences, entertainers from all around the world has been doing these things for centuries, if not millenia.

 

The numerous cases you talk about are badly done tests, and completely uncontrolled (There are no measures to make sure they did'nt have any prior knowledge, for instance), there have been many tests done on psychics over the world and none have stood up to the challenge.

They are fraudsters and I seriously doubt there will ever be any proof of any paranomal claim done by anyone, and I think they are immoral people - especially the ones that claim to be able to talk to the dead, and interfere with the normal grieving process.

[BruceVC]

Well, there is no plausible way for it to work to start with.

Then there is the fact that there are ways to do it without any supernatural/paranormal influences, entertainers from all around the world has been doing these things for centuries, if not millenia.

 

The numerous cases you talk about are badly done tests, and completely uncontrolled (There are no measures to make sure they did'nt have any prior knowledge, for instance), there have been many tests done on psychics over the world and none have stood up to the challenge.

They are fraudsters and I seriously doubt there will ever be any proof of any paranomal claim done by anyone, and I think they are immoral people - especially the ones that claim to be able to talk to the dead, and interfere with the normal grieving process.

 

Fair enough but haven't I researched the issue enough to say you are correct. For example what about Uri Geller and his abilities?

 

EDIT: Actually I just did some research on Geller and it appears most of his "psychic" abilities were cons or sleight of hand tricks, so you it looks like you may be right about authentic psychics

Edited July 13, 2013 by BruceVC

[alanschu]

The problem with any sort of divine influence is that it's likely not going to be reproducable in any form, and as such people will have a tendency to believe what they want to believe since the supposition cannot really be tested, unless she IS consistently correct (and I am skeptical that that would be the case).

[BruceVC]

The problem with any sort of divine influence is that it's likely not going to be reproducable in any form, and as such people will have a tendency to believe what they want to believe since the supposition cannot really be tested, unless she IS consistently correct (and I am skeptical that that would be the case).

 

Alan do you believe in psychic abilities? Lets say I told you  I was psychic would you believe me?

[Azdeus]

Fair enough but haven't I researched the issue enough to say you are correct. For example what about Uri Geller and his abilities?

 

EDIT: Actually I just did some research on Geller and it appears most of his "psychic" abilities were cons or sleight of hand tricks, so you it looks like you may be right about authentic psychics

 

 

Yeah, time and time again, he's not even the best spoonbender anymore.

 

I could recommend the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast if you want something to listen to, they routinely explain how most tricks are usually done and they also have alot of interviews with magicians that have alot of knowhow. Mostly geekery going on though.

 

Sylvia Brown had a major miss where she predicted that Amanda Berry was dead and drowned, causing her mother to stop searching for her. Has'nt stopped her one bit though, and it is'nt the first major miss she's had either. So it also causes alot of harm in some cases.

[alanschu]

 

Alan do you believe in psychic abilities? Lets say I told you  I was psychic would you believe me?

 

 

I do not, and I would definitely need more than your word alone to convince me otherwise.

[BruceVC]

 

 

Alan do you believe in psychic abilities? Lets say I told you  I was psychic would you believe me?

 

 

I do not, and I would definitely need more than your word alone to convince me otherwise.

 

 

Okay let me position this differently with you, I consider you an intelligent person who has a good understanding of the world you live in and an excellent ability to rationalize the things around you. But what would happen to your perspective of the world if I could tell you right now on these forums what you had for breakfast and what shirt you are wearing. Is this something you would  want to know as surely this would turn on its head many preconceived ideas you have as a person and ultimately our views on life are what define us. Is this something you could mentally deal with? It would be like going down the rabbit  hole.....

[Azdeus]

But what would happen to your perspective of the world if I could tell you right now on these forums what you had for breakfast and what shirt you are wearing.

 

 

I don't know about Alan, but I'd close my curtains and tear out my webcam from the computer.

[BruceVC]

 

But what would happen to your perspective of the world if I could tell you right now on these forums what you had for breakfast and what shirt you are wearing.

 

 

I don't know about Alan, but I'd close my curtains and tear out my webcam from the computer.

 

 

 Funny

[Walsingham]

My own view is that psychics are merely using the astounding parrallel connectivity of the pereptual mind to distil out facts from noise.

 

In short, it could always be proved that they had been exposed to all the necessary facts to deduce the answer. But that they were never consciously aware they were doing it.

 

I often solve work problems in my sleep, and get the answer in a dream analogy. I don't consider myself psychic, just taking advantage of what everyone does and usually ignores.

[Azdeus]

It's quite possible that the psychic was coldreading the policeofficer while travelling. He might've paid extra attention to that house, and she noticed. *Shrug*

 

Also, four days, in a shallow grave? Might've started smelling.

[Walsingham]

It's quite possible that the psychic was coldreading the policeofficer while travelling. He might've paid extra attention to that house, and she noticed. *Shrug*

 

Also, four days, in a shallow grave? Might've started smelling.

 

Exactly.

[Humanoid]

She takes her children corpse-hunting. Now that's a family-bonding activity right there.

[BruceVC]

She takes her children corpse-hunting. Now that's a family-bonding activity right there.

 

 

Okay that gets the much desired and sought after BruceVC "most humorous post  of the week award "

 

Good one

[Wrath of Dagon]

What was your take on this, Dagon?

My take on it is that we have to consider that there may be more than just the natural world. Here's a similar story from 2010 with a far happier ending:

 

"I didn't know where she was. The only person who knew where she was was God, and I asked him and he led me directly to her, straight -- well, as straight as you can go through the swamp."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/14/florida.girl.rescued/index.html

 

As far as not being repeatable, that's not surprising. If it was repeatable, it would be science, and science is the study of the natural world.

 

Of course there's also this : http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/11/04/precognition-real-cornell-university-lab-releases-powerful-new-evidence-human-mind-can/ proving once again that porn is more powerful than nature.

[Walsingham]

Sounds like you should read a bit of Conan Doyle.

[Drowsy Emperor]

Well the other part of the argument is that today we can fly through the air at supersonic speeds. Yes its all science, but until you understand how the damn thing works, for all intents and purposes its magic, or god makes it so.

Edited July 13, 2013 by Drowsy Emperor

[Wrath of Dagon]

Sounds like you should read a bit of Conan Doyle.

I do think most psychics are frauds, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of true psychic phenomena. One just has to consider the facts objectively and not jump to conclusions.

[Keyrock]

She was the killer.

That's the reaction I had too.