decado Posted June 21, 2013 Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) Hi all! So before I get blitzed, I just want to say I asked permission before posting this. So nobody is allowed to yell at me. Anyways, I'm a graduate student and long time gamer. Currently, I'm studying how video gamers interact with professional game critics, game reviews, user reviews, and other aspects of game review culture. To do this, I developed a survey that will be used to collect data for my thesis. It can be found here: https://clipboard.rit.edu/take.cfm?sid=621FC6E7 I've hunted around for some good places to post this, and the Obsidian forums are a great spot because so many of us are long-time gamers who closely follow the industry. So please, take the survey! It will only take 5 minutes of your time, and you get to help a huge nerd finish his thesis. I appreciate every response I can get. Anyways, if you guys have any questions or concerns, please let me know! Edited June 21, 2013 by decado
entrerix Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 ehhh i dont want to click a link from a poster with 4 posts Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete.
greylord Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Yep, answered the survey as well, sounds as if my answers may mirror what some others indicate they may have answered also.
alanschu Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Is this for your thesis? (I filled out the survey regardless)
BruceVC Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I also completed the survey, I must say it open's the proverbial can of worms around the various conspiracy theories on the role of gaming journalists and how objective they are. I imagine some people on this forums will have a field day answering these questions "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Leferd Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Here's the thing...I like to read Quarter to Three. It's not really a video game review site, but it's populated by some of the best freelance reviewers in the industry. They give their opinions on games, yet aren't technically paid or "professional" reviews. Or AICN for movies and tv. They aren't professional critics in the classical sense but I'd value their acumen on superhero movies more than EW or even the NY Times. And this is from someone who has a an elitist view mirroring Aaron Sorkin when it comes to the news media vs blogs. 1 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle
Bester Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I also completed the survey, I must say it open's the proverbial can of worms around the various conspiracy theories on the role of gaming journalists and how objective they are. I imagine some people on this forums will have a field day answering these questions Nowadays, anyone who believes in some conspiracy theories is like an atheist in the middle ages. Conspiracy theories are the only source of real information. Anyway. Seeing how Nolan managed to get hundreds of thousands of imdb accounts and rate 90%+ his every film (even if critics only gave it 70%), I don't see why it's impossible to keep a few gaming journalists on pay. It's so easy really. And yeah, why would I read some guy's opinion? He's not me. I'll just get the game and see how it goes or watch a gameplay video on youtube. Critics, pfah, what a joke. IE Mod for Pillars of Eternity: link
Bester Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Author, if you're going to ask for my income, at least ask where I live, jesus. This america-centrism is exhausting. I filled out the form only to find out you don't give a **** about my opinion. 2 IE Mod for Pillars of Eternity: link
BruceVC Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I also completed the survey, I must say it open's the proverbial can of worms around the various conspiracy theories on the role of gaming journalists and how objective they are. I imagine some people on this forums will have a field day answering these questions Nowadays, anyone who believes in some conspiracy theories is like an atheist in the middle ages. Conspiracy theories are the only source of real information. Anyway. Seeing how Nolan managed to get hundreds of thousands of imdb accounts and rate 90%+ his every film (even if critics only gave it 70%), I don't see why it's impossible to keep a few gaming journalists on pay. It's so easy really. And yeah, why would I read some guy's opinion? He's not me. I'll just get the game and see how it goes or watch a gameplay video on youtube. Critics, pfah, what a joke. I don't generally believe in conspiracy theories, I prefer the facts and what can be proven. But I do get my gaming review information from user reviews and what certain websites gaming journalists say. And to be honest I'm seldom disappointed "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Bos_hybrid Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I prefer the facts and what can be proven. Facts can be manipulated to suit a persons point of view. The fact is alien life can't be proven, does that mean you don't believe in extraterrestrial life? Also since religion can't be proven you must be atheist. While I don't believe all game journalist are paid by publishers(did Sony pay off everyone for Last of Us), I do believe that they can be influenced like anyone else. In the end the best person to decide if you would like a game or not is yourself, not a journalist and certainly not some random person on the internet.
BruceVC Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) I prefer the facts and what can be proven. Facts can be manipulated to suit a persons point of view. The fact is alien life can't be proven, does that mean you don't believe in extraterrestrial life? Also since religion can't be proven you must be atheist. While I don't believe all game journalist are paid by publishers(did Sony pay off everyone for Last of Us), I do believe that they can be influenced like anyone else. In the end the best person to decide if you would like a game or not is yourself, not a journalist and certainly not some random person on the internet. Yes I'm not religious and I have never seen any alien so I can't say with certain that they are real. I would say the chance of extraterrestrial life is possible due to the size of the universe and the fact we know so little about it Edited June 22, 2013 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
pmp10 Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I prefer the facts and what can be proven.Facts can be manipulated to suit a persons point of view. No. Facts by definition stay the same no matter what your point of view is. You may interpret them however you wish in the larger context but they are something unchangeable. 1
Sensuki Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 No. Facts by definition stay the same no matter what your point of view is. You may interpret them however you wish in the larger context but they are something unchangeable. I'm sure you understood what he meant though.
melkathi Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) No. Facts by definition stay the same no matter what your point of view is. You may interpret them however you wish in the larger context but they are something unchangeable. I'm sure you understood what he meant though. It's the internet. Understanding is like facts: manipulated to suit the poster's view Edited June 22, 2013 by melkathi 1 Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise).
Tigranes Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 Done, would like to hear more about your research design and goals once the survey period is over. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
BruceVC Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 No. Facts by definition stay the same no matter what your point of view is. You may interpret them however you wish in the larger context but they are something unchangeable. I'm sure you understood what he meant though. It's the internet. Understanding is like facts: manipulated to suit the poster's view Good one "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
anubite Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I do agree that if you're going to ask for more personal information, you should ask for the country of residence. It kind of skews your poll if a bunch of South Africans take your poll, who on average make less in a given year, but relatively, they might fall under a higher income bracket compared to what they would make in the US. I made a 2 hour rant video about dragon age 2. It's not the greatest... but if you want to watch it, here ya go:
melkathi Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 I do agree that if you're going to ask for more personal information, you should ask for the country of residence. It kind of skews your poll if a bunch of South Africans take your poll, who on average make less in a given year, but relatively, they might fall under a higher income bracket compared to what they would make in the US. I think you just called BruceVC fat. I mean, refering to him as "a bunch" ? Uncalled for. Really uncalled for Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise).
decado Posted June 23, 2013 Author Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Is this for your thesis? (I filled out the survey regardless) Yep! It is basically a convenience sample, since I don't have the money or the resources to do real random sampling when it comes to human subjects. Edited June 23, 2013 by decado
decado Posted June 23, 2013 Author Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Regarding income, I understand what you guys are saying. Unfortunately, I never thought this survey would be distributed outside the United States so I did not include a location-centric question in the materials. By the time I realized I needed to hit the forums get responses, it was too late, since the survey had already been distributed by other venues. My research is American-centric in general, since I am an American, using American resources, attending an American school and surrounded (mostly) American students. You'll notice that most of the game review sites I mentioned are headed by American or UK companies, written in American or British English. Those are just the limitations of my study. Anyways, thanks to everyone who has taken it so far. I appreciate every response I can get. Edited June 23, 2013 by decado
decado Posted June 23, 2013 Author Posted June 23, 2013 Here's the thing...I like to read Quarter to Three. It's not really a video game review site, but it's populated by some of the best freelance reviewers in the industry. They give their opinions on games, yet aren't technically paid or "professional" reviews. Or AICN for movies and tv. They aren't professional critics in the classical sense but I'd value their acumen on superhero movies more than EW or even the NY Times. And this is from someone who has a an elitist view mirroring Aaron Sorkin when it comes to the news media vs blogs. This is actually something I touch on in my research -- what makes a critic a "professional" or even a "paid" reviewer? If some guy writes game reviews on his blog, and uses the ad revenue to pay his bills, I'd say he's probably a "professional" or least popular enough to where he is considered to knowledgeable. Is he a "professional" critic or a just user-reviewer who got lucky? These are sticky questions with no easy answers, and the lines get blurrier every day.
BruceVC Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 Regarding income, I understand what you guys are saying. Unfortunately, I never thought this survey would be distributed outside the United States so I did not include a location-centric question in the materials. By the time I realized I needed to hit the forums get responses, it was too late, since the survey had already been distributed by other venues. My research is American-centric in general, since I am an American, using American resources, attending an American school and surrounded (mostly) American students. You'll notice that most of the game review sites I mentioned are headed by American or UK companies, written in American or British English. Those are just the limitations of my study. Anyways, thanks to everyone who has taken it so far. I appreciate every response I can get. But surly you are aware these forums are visited and frequented by people outside the USA like every other forum? You do know the Internet doesn't just exist inside the USA? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
decado Posted June 23, 2013 Author Posted June 23, 2013 Regarding income, I understand what you guys are saying. Unfortunately, I never thought this survey would be distributed outside the United States so I did not include a location-centric question in the materials. By the time I realized I needed to hit the forums get responses, it was too late, since the survey had already been distributed by other venues. My research is American-centric in general, since I am an American, using American resources, attending an American school and surrounded (mostly) American students. You'll notice that most of the game review sites I mentioned are headed by American or UK companies, written in American or British English. Those are just the limitations of my study. Anyways, thanks to everyone who has taken it so far. I appreciate every response I can get. But surly you are aware these forums are visited and frequented by people outside the USA like every other forum? You do know the Internet doesn't just exist inside the USA? Sure! But like I said, I never intended to be distributing this via forum. It sort of evolved that way, late in the process.
melkathi Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 At uni we had students quite often show up during lectures to ask if they could hand out their survey in the last 5 minutes. Can't remember how many I filled in Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise).
Lord of Lost Socks Posted June 23, 2013 Posted June 23, 2013 What will also skew your poll is the fact that you're posting on a primarily RPG-centric forum about what types of games we play. But I assume you've posted this poll in all kinds of forums to get answers, so it shouldn't skew too much in that case. My thoughts on how character powers and urgency could be implemented: http://forums.obsidi...nse-of-urgency/
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