True Communism

[obyknven]

This tread about true communism. Pseudo-left opportunists are not invited.

[HoonDing]

pity post

 

 

[obyknven]

pity post

 

opportunists.jpg

 

Your pic not related with communism. Obviously this thread not for you.

[Nepenthe]

[obyknven]

Your pic not about communism too.

[Nepenthe]

I dunno, I think it's an excellent representation of an ideology that thrived on being "the lesser evil".

[obyknven]

I dunno, I think it's an excellent representation of an ideology that thrived on being "the lesser evil".

You don't understand what communism is.

 

 

http://www.gaitherstewart.com/2012/12/03/opeds-super-etatism-and-socialism-towards-a-statement-of-the-problem/

Staying within the framework of the Marxist methodology, it does not seem very hard to show that Soviet society was not socialist (communist). Here, of course, I ignore the Stalinist division of communism into two stages – socialism and communism – invented specifically to explain why the system of the USSR did not correspond with the views of the founders of scientific communism concerning socialism. The special design of this “invention” of Stalinist science and its dependence upon a particular political conjuncture are obvious. Consequently, it is necessary to get back to Marx’s understanding of the matter, namely, that socialism and communism are synonyms.

 

So, we know the main characteristics of a socialist (communist) society: it is a classless, stateless, non-commodity system of direct democracy (participatory democracy), which has overcome exploitation and alienation, is based on the communal ownership of the means of production, and is generated by the socialist (communist) mode of production.

 

It is obvious that “real socialism” did not correspond with these primary characteristics of socialism. Under “real socialism” we had:

 

a) a state (that, compared to capitalism, even expanded its authority – instead of “withering away”);

 

b) commodity-money relations, which inevitably, according to Engels, had to generate capitalism;

 

c) the institutions of bourgeois representative democracy (in addition, it was reduced, in essence, to oligarchy);

 

d) exploitation and alienation, which in their intensity and totality equaled the exploitation and alienation in the capitalist countries;

 

e) state (and not communal) ownership of the means of production

 

f) social classes

 

and finally

 

g) the same mode of production as under capitalism – large-scale commodity machine production or, in other words, the industrial mode of production.

[Malcador]

I dunno, I think it's an excellent representation of an ideology that thrived on being "the lesser evil".

Thought that was the foundation Western democracy was built on ?

Edited May 24, 2013 by Malcador

[Walsingham]

*whispers*

 

Mate, you're using the wrong alt.

[babaganoosh13]

 

There has yet to have been a true communism, but this anthem kicks ass as a song.

[obyknven]

This tread need a more obvious hint.

[Walsingham]

Troll fail. Not a single serious response.

 

Poor troll.

[Agiel]

[Hurlshort]

Is a potluck BBQ the same as communism?

[TrashMan]

[rjshae]

Install a chip in everybody's head to make them behave like an ant: *poof*, true communism.

 

...and lots of fun was had by all.

[Rosbjerg]

Mix the idea of the colllective with Aristotles idea of Eudaimonia and I think we'll have a good system.. Star Trek'sh even..

[Oerwinde]

Communism is another word for Magical Anarchy right?

[Rosbjerg]

Pretty much yeah. But it does work - history is full of examples, just not on large scale.

[Guard Dog]

*whispers*

 

Mate, you're using the wrong alt.

  Wals wins! Nobody is topping this one!

[obyknven]

Just fascinating level of ignorance i find here. People continue posting about opportunistic USSR, even after my fat hints.

 

This tread about true communism. Pseudo-left opportunists are not invited.

 

 

This tread need a more obvious hint.

 

 

“Everybody talks about the weather. We don't.” This 1968 poster was a response by the German Socialist Student Union to an ad campaign for weatherproof trains. The students were suggesting that like the figures pictured above, they had more important concerns than everyday things like the weather. The next year, journalist and future Red Army Faction terrorist Ulrike Meinhof would use the slogan to argue that radicals should talk about everyday life, since “the personal is political.”  This thread about "New Left", RAF, FARC, Black Panthers, PKK, Che Guevara and their fight against bourgeois pigs.

 

 

 

[Nepenthe]

So you called my Berlin Wall and raised with the Baader-Meinhof gang?

[HoonDing]

Mix the idea of the colllective with Aristotles idea of Eudaimonia and I think we'll have a good system.. Star Trek'sh even..

Well, the Romulans are the Star Trek commies.

[Rosbjerg]

Huh? They're an Oligarchy. The Federation is pretty close to what a functional communism would be. No money, everybody works for the advancement of the collective and to better themselves. While the Borg are like the horror version of communism.

[obyknven]

So you called my Berlin Wall and raised with the Baader-Meinhof gang?

 

 

Ulrike Meinhof’s (one of  "criminal" or "gang leaders" as you say) 1967 column ‘Napalm and Pudding’ about the police raid on Kommune 1’s “assassination attempt” (throwing blancmange-type pudding at Hubert Humphrey)

 

“It is thus not a criminal act to drop napalm on women, children, and old people; protesting against this act is a crime. It is not a criminal act to destroy the harvests necessary for the lives and the survival of millions; protesting against this is a crime. It is not a criminal act to destroy energy plants, leper colonies, schools, and dikes; protesting against this is a crime. Terror tactics and torture are not criminal acts; protesting against them is […] It is considered rude to pelt politicians with pudding and cream cheese but quite acceptable to host politicians who are having villages eradicated and cities bombed […] Yes to napalm, no to pudding.”

 

In other Meinhof's text "From Protest to Resistance" she explain who is real criminal and why only radical methods works against them

http://socialiststories.net/liberate/From%20Protest%20to%20Resistance%20-%20Ulrike%20Meinhof.pdf

 

The following interview is from Konkret (a monthly magazine for left theory, discussion and culture), June 1992. The participants in this talk are: Karl-Heinz Dellwo, Knut Folkerts and Lutz Taufer, captured members of the RAF - prisoners since 1975 (Knut Folkerts since 1977), Rosita Timm, member of the Green Party in Hamburg and involved in the movement to free the political prisoners, Thomas Ebermann, former member of the Green Party, and Hermann L. Gremliza, publisher of Konkret.  Very good interview, where explained real situation in the word, predicted modern crises of capitalism and made explanation  about temporary stop of active operations by RAF.

 

http://www.germanguerilla.com/red-army-faction/documents/92-06-interview.html