Oh great, the big terrorism craze finally hits sweden

[Serrano]

Is it bad that I'm a bit ashamed of both our crappy mass murderers and crappy terrorists?

 

You have hot blondes, stop complaining.

Edited December 14, 2010 by Serrano

[Gorgon]

Kaft, would you mind indulging me by reading a bit more about this guy? Because the steer we're getting in the UK is that he was well known to his local mosque as an extremist nutloop.

 

Well. From what we read around here, he was a quite "normal" guy until he, after visiting Britain, became "increasingly radical and angry". Maybe he was known there for these tendencies, but I think very few, if any, in Sweden knew of the extent of his radicalization.

 

Also, I very much doubt that he had training with explosives, from what I've read... I could have made a better bomb myself, from the descriptions of those.

"After visiting Britain"

Maybe he went to the shoe and underwear bomber training academy. Not a lot pf people get to utilize their full satisfaction or money back guarantee.

[Walsingham]

Bomb making is like any chemistry, or even cooking, combined with electrics. He himself claimed he had been trained in the mideast. But it's not so hard for bombs to go awry. The IRA had extremely 'professional' training in bomb manufacture. But even their bombs went awry occasionally.

 

Getting lucky once does not mean the threat isn't serious.

 

I honestly don't understand how it is that we react firmly and almost uniformly when some right wing white power ****holster sets fire to something. But if some right wing beard power ****holster actually blows up we pretend it's not important.

[mkreku]

One of my friends on Facebook found an interesting link the other day. It listed all the terrorist acts in Europe between the years 2006-2009. There had been 1300+ something. They had been categorized according to their ideologies. Since I don't want to go on Facebook at work, I'll just wing it from memory.

 

Acts connected to Islam: 6 (this number I am sure of)

Acts connected to left wing nuts: 140 (or something similar)

Acts connected to right wing nuts: 1200 (or something similar)

Uncategorised: 60 (something something)

 

I just thought I'd throw that out there amongst Walsinghams bleating.

[Malcador]

Safe to say, I think nuts are the problem here.

[Walsingham]

One of my friends on Facebook found an interesting link the other day. It listed all the terrorist acts in Europe between the years 2006-2009. There had been 1300+ something. They had been categorized according to their ideologies. Since I don't want to go on Facebook at work, I'll just wing it from memory.

 

Acts connected to Islam: 6 (this number I am sure of)

Acts connected to left wing nuts: 140 (or something similar)

Acts connected to right wing nuts: 1200 (or something similar)

Uncategorised: 60 (something something)

 

I just thought I'd throw that out there amongst Walsinghams bleating.

 

This post would be a good deal more impressive if you actually posted the link.

 

And for the record it's more of an atonal farting noise. Not bleating.

[Rostere]

Kaft, would you mind indulging me by reading a bit more about this guy? Because the steer we're getting in the UK is that he was well known to his local mosque as an extremist nutloop.

 

Well. From what we read around here, he was a quite "normal" guy until he, after visiting Britain, became "increasingly radical and angry". Maybe he was known there for these tendencies, but I think very few, if any, in Sweden knew of the extent of his radicalization.

 

Also, I very much doubt that he had training with explosives, from what I've read... I could have made a better bomb myself, from the descriptions of those.

"After visiting Britain"

 

Yes, it's very funny. Like Walsingham wrote, apparently he had suddenly become interested in religion, and had talked a lot to other religious students. And then when he came back, he became more introverted and people thought it was "just a phase" he was going through.

 

Getting lucky once does not mean the threat isn't serious.

 

I think the likelihood that he was backed by a larger organization is smaller if he makes crappy bombs though. If what I've read about those bombs is true, I could have made way better ones myself. When I say they were crap, I don't primarily refer to the misfire, but rather their whole construction.

Edited December 14, 2010 by Rostere

[Amentep]

I believe the statistics are derived from Europol reports.

 

A summary at Loon Watch in early 2010 led to a breakdown of

 

Islamist - 5*

Separatist - 1353

Left Wing - 104

Right Wing - 2

Single Issue - 6 (only 2007, 2008)

Not Specified - 52 (includes Single Issue 2006)

 

The addition of 2009 data puts it at

Islamist - 6*

Separatist - 1590

Left Wing - 144

Right Wing - 6

Single Issue - 8 (only 2007, 2008, 2009)

Not Specified - 62 (includes Single Issue 2006)

 

*Apparently the report indicates an attack in 2008 in the UK that wasn't reported going strictly by the numbers published this would be 6 for 2009 like mkreku posted but should be 7 if the UK incident is counted.

 

3.1. types of terrorism

The TE-SAT categorises terrorist organisations according to their source of motivation. However, many groups have a mixture of motivating ideologies, although usually one ideology or motivation dominates. The choice of categories used in the TE-SAT refl ects the current situation in the EU, as reported by Member States. The categories are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

 

Islamist terrorism is perpetrated by individuals, groups,networks or organisations which evoke a certain interpretation of Islam to justify their actions. Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist groups, such as ETA (Euskadi ta Askatasuna) and PKK/KONGRA-GEL (Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan)4 seek international recognition and political self-determination. They are motivated by nationalism, ethnicity and/or religion.

 

Left-wing terrorist groups, such as Epanastatikos Agonas, seek to change the entire political, social and economic system of a state according to an extremist left-wing model. Their ideology is often Marxist-Leninist. The agenda of anarchist terrorist groups is usually revolutionary, anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian. Not all Member States distinguish between activities of left-wing and anarchist terrorist groups in their contributions. For this reason, both categories are discussed in the same chapter of this report.

 

Right-wing terrorist groups seek to change the entire political,social and economic system following an extremist right-wing model. The ideological roots of European right-wing extremism and terrorism can usually be traced back to National Socialism.

 

Single-issue terrorism is violence committed with the desire to change a specific policy or practice within a target society. The term is generally used to describe animal rights and environmentalist terrorist groups.

[Kaftan Barlast]

Yeah well, atleast they havent blown up the internets yet. If they did that, we'd be in serious trouble, bro.

 

 

 

Complete flippin' idiots, man. You could have gone chicken cottage, proper halal. Bargain bucket

[mkreku]

I am home now and was going to link the Europol reports, but I see Amentep beat me to it.

 

This is the summary I saw:

 

Total number: 1770

Islamic: 6 (0.34%)

Right Wing Ethno-Nationalist and Separatist: 1596 (90.17%)

Left Wing: 106 (5.99%)

Other/Not Specified: 62 (3.50%)

 

I had ONE number right, at least.

[Zoraptor]

Complete flippin' idiots, man. You could have gone chicken cottage, proper halal. Bargain bucket

[Kaftan Barlast]

It was a Zara clothing chain store. Im not sure if they sell condoms that make you want to bang white girs in there, but I dont think so.

[Walsingham]

Thanks for the links. I'll have a read this evening.

[Nepenthe]

It was a Zara clothing chain store. Im not sure if they sell condoms that make you want to bang white girs in there, but I dont think so.

Well, all the sluts I know frequent the place.

[213374U]

Right Wing Ethno-Nationalist and Separatist: 1596 (90.17%)

Funny, because the EUROPOL report does not specify a political colour for attacks categorised as "Separatist" - you'd know this if you had actually read the reports, instead of regurgitating something you read on the net's premier news outlet: Facebook. Funny, too, that it would be you to make such a "mistake". I know, I know; you were betrayed by your subconscious, is all - no hard feelings.

 

But I think it's necessary to clarify a few facts. For starters, the overwhelming majority of such attacks were carried out in France or Spain. And here's a little tidbit you may find interesting: the Basque and Corsican independence movements to which the armed clandestine groups responsible for those attacks are linked (or outright belong) are, guess what, left-wing. In the case of the Basque separatists, which are responsible for most, if not all attacks which resulted in deaths, they have gone so far as calling themselves "Communist Party of the Basque Lands", in a thankfully failed attempt to sidestep a previous ban to stand for election at the municipal level.

 

Not that it matters though, as for these thugs, "ideology" is just an excuse to keep running their criminal syndicates. Left or right, they will crush you if they can and you are in their way.

 

I was just thinking how remarkable it is that ignorant comments have a way of coming back to bite you in the ass, don't you agree?

Edited December 15, 2010 by 213374U

[Walsingham]

HI Numbers.

 

I didn't read the link this evening, as was working till 8 then shooting zombies soon after.

[mkreku]

Right Wing Ethno-Nationalist and Separatist: 1596 (90.17%)

Funny, because the EUROPOL report does not specify a political colour for attacks categorised as "Separatist" - you'd know this if you had actually read the reports, instead of regurgitating something you read on the net's premier news outlet: Facebook. Funny, too, that it would be you to make such a "mistake". I know, I know; you were betrayed by your subconscious, is all - no hard feelings.

There was supposed to be a comma between Right wing and Ethno-Nationalist. It would have been a regrettable mistake, but after seeing your ridiculous rant I'm not really regretting anything.

 

Who knows, maybe I did read the reports. Maybe I did understand that the distinction between Ethno-Nationalist and Right wing (nazi) is pretty vague.. just like the distinction between left wing and anarchist is not made because of practical reasons. Who knows.

 

But hey, if you want to think that there were 2 Right wing terrorist attacks in the entire Europe in 2010 (so far), don't let me stop you. I just happen to place the nazi movement in the Right Wing category. Shock! Horror! Must be my badly hidden agenda!

 

Did you really miss the fact that the 6 Islamic terror acts were the point?

[Walsingham]

I just finished reading the loonwatch report (although I'm slightly mistrustful of a site which has the sole aim of placating my concerns about muslim terror offerring a balanced analysis).

 

Far from backing mkreku up it suggest that after separatist attacks left wing, not right wing attacks are the main. Which is presumably the relic of left wing terror in the 60s and 70s.

 

The key point here is that no mention is made of plots which were thwarted, nor casualties. The former is important because jihadist terror is receiving massive priority from the security services. The latter is important because while separatist movements do kill, they tend not to engage in mass casualty attacks on civilian targets. The IRA or ETA are not going to do a Mumbai, or let off a dirty bomb.

[Amentep]

I only used the loon watch report for the Europol numbers summary of incidents (as I didn't want to do the maths myself); I figured their agenda might make their article itself somewhat suspect.

 

The numbers Europol actually reports are the number of "Failed, foiled and successful attacks"; they don't make a distinction in success, only that there was a terror plot.

 

One interesting thing scanning through the Europol numbers is that while their numbers indicate a low number of Islamist terror plots failed/foiled/successful in Europe, it seems to indicate that arrests and convictions for Islamist terror plots are second only to Seperatists. So either the few failed/foiled/successful plots have huge rings of accomplices or there are some people being convicted of being terrorist who perhaps shouldn't?

Edited December 16, 2010 by Amentep

[Walsingham]

Actually there are a lot of people getting arrested for Islamist plots who subsequently get released. You get people living in close proximity who the police detain on grounds that they had to know about the bomb making or what have, but whom courts won't convict. I don't know whether that's lousy police work, or failed jurisprudence. Just interesting.

[213374U]

There was supposed to be a comma between Right wing and Ethno-Nationalist. It would have been a regrettable mistake, but after seeing your ridiculous rant I'm not really regretting anything.

 

Who knows, maybe I did read the reports. Maybe I did understand that the distinction between Ethno-Nationalist and Right wing (nazi) is pretty vague.. just like the distinction between left wing and anarchist is not made because of practical reasons. Who knows.

 

But hey, if you want to think that there were 2 Right wing terrorist attacks in the entire Europe in 2010 (so far), don't let me stop you. I just happen to place the nazi movement in the Right Wing category. Shock! Horror! Must be my badly hidden agenda!

 

Did you really miss the fact that the 6 Islamic terror acts were the point?

If you think that right-wing = nazi, you either don't know what right-wing means, or don't know who the nazis were. Either way, you are only making it evident that your bigotry is only surpassed by your ignorance. Go read more on the Nazis and their policies. No, not on Facebook.

 

If you can't conceive a "left-wing" extremist ethno-nationalist political movement, then I'm afraid you aren't simply lacking imagination and intelligence, no -- you are also terribly uninformed. Go read on the Basque independence movement, and delight yourself in their mind-boggling attempts to assert an ethnically-rooted self-determination right based on... a greater presence of RH- in "true" Basques, compared to the rest of the population. That's right up there with phrenology, if you ask me.

 

But then, those are not the only ways in which you've demonstrated your dimwittedness, no. You are also quite easily taken in by tendentious interpretations of statistics. Six attacks may mean very little or quite a lot depending on how many people are killed. This is relevant in the sense that "traditional" separatist and right/left wing extremist attacks are usually in a much smaller scale than Islamic terrorist attacks. For reference, the worst attack perpetrated by Basque terrorists killed 21 in a mall in Barcelona, in 1987. The 2004 Madrid attacks killed 191. The most vicious (R)IRA action recorded killed 29 in Omagh, in 1998, in contraposition to the 270 dead from the Pan Am 747 jet blown out of the sky in 1988. If you don't want to count that as Islamic terrorism, then the 2005 London rush hour bus bombs still ranks higher than anything done by domestic terrorists, at 52 victims. So yes, Islamic terrorism is, in fact, worse than the other sorts.

 

 

But hey, if you want to think that there were 2 Right wing terrorist attacks in the entire Europe in 2010 (so far), don't let me stop you.

This is by far the best part of your post. When presented with data that doesn't support your preconceptions and monochrome vision of the world, then the automatic conclusion is that the data must be wrong. That's some really sophisticated reasoning, chum.

 

You were right, a badly hidden agenda is not behind your inane comments -- you obviously aren't smart enough to have one. You are nothing more than a loud-mouthed tool.

Edited December 16, 2010 by 213374U

[Meshugger]

It really is "Four Lions". I swear that films underated, it's absolutely boom on.

 

I agree. Tied as best movie of 2010 along with Rare Exports. When reading about how the attack was planned and conducted, i thought for a moment that i read the manuscript for the movie instead.

[mkreku]

blah blah

tl;dr

 

Please go on. Prove how intelligent you are. Again.

[Nepenthe]

http://verydemotivational.memebase.com/201...e-jager-bomber/

[213374U]

blah blah

tl;dr

Three short paragraphs is "too long" a read for you? Really? Or were you just trying to be cool again by posting something you saw on Facebook but actually have no idea what it means?

 

edit: I'm thinking that the fact that you think that reading half a page is too much effort explains a lot, so thanks. I couldn't ever ridicule you nearly as well as you do that yourself. Good job!

Edited December 17, 2010 by 213374U