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I like your 12 RAM. I only have 6. I need more. Oh ok, I don't need more, I just want more.

Don't worry about it, you won't be needing 12GB for a loooong while. Also, it's easier to overclock with fewer/smaller RAM sticks. The worst overclockers use 3GB (3x1GB).

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I don't over-clock, since knowing me I'd do more damage than good...but I have used up to 4.5GB of my RAM while running multiple instances of games at the same time. :p
But yea, don't need much for regular pc use. heh

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I don't over-clock, since knowing me I'd do more damage than good...but I have used up to 4.5GB of my RAM while running multiple instances of games at the same time. :rolleyes:
But yea, don't need much for regular pc use. heh

How do you play more than one game at once? Do you have four hands?

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lol! Sometimes I wish I did! :rolleyes:
...not playing all at once...just running them/having them open & switching back and forth.

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Anybody knows of any significant differences between Gigabyte, Asus and Sapphire when it comes to the same GPU? -_-

I.e. they all currently make 5970 cards, specs look similar, prices look similar etc. Same card with a different sticker slapped on it?

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Same card with a different sticker slapped on it?


Sometimes that's true and sometimes it's not. While I think that all the 5970s are reference designs -id est the stock coolers, clocks, etc.- you might want to make sure as non-reference designs can make one type better than other. XFX, if they make that card yet, is another company you might want to look at since their double-lifetime-guaranty, basically a transferable-warranty, might help if you ever want to re-sell the GPU (or simply need to REM it down the line, most cards come with more stringent time-limits). Hope this helps.

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Same card with a different sticker slapped on it?


Sometimes that's true and sometimes it's not. While I think that all the 5970s are reference designs -id est the stock coolers, clocks, etc.- you might want to make sure as non-reference designs can make one type better than other. XFX, if they make that card yet, is another company you might want to look at since their double-lifetime-guaranty, basically a transferable-warranty, might help if you ever want to re-sell the GPU (or simply need to REM it down the line, most cards come with more stringent time-limits). Hope this helps.

-_-

Warranty is probably a moot point for me, as one of the first things I do is take it apart, throw away the fan etc. and put a full sized watercooling block on it (I run it out of the box for a fortnight first to catch any doa or other obvious errors) :(

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Warranty is probably a moot point for me, as one of the first things I do is take it apart, throw away the fan etc. and put a full sized watercooling block on it...


There are sometimes watercooling editions of cards available, I don't know if that's helpful -I'm really not that familiar with watercooling- but if there was a pre-prepared one available that fit your needs that might be an option to consider.

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The only thing that differs between these cards are usually the quality of the little components that make up the card. Things like resistors and RAM modules etc. Powercolor (the brand I got stuck with), for example, is/was known for using a cheaper brand of RAM, making them a very bad choice for overclockers. But if they're all using the reference design, all you have to worry about is price, extra peripherals and warranty.

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Well, a good thing that I still have a couple of weeks to think about it. I wasn't too impressed by the manufacturing quality of the Sapphire card* and my trust in Asus plummeted like a rock with the motherboard that I'm in the process of retiring (I kept running into stability issues until I downclocked it from 1333 to 1111 which is a bit of a joke). Gigabyte is a completely unknown brand for me, my new MB being a first.

Well, got most of the parts for my upgrade stacked under my desk here at work. Need to take a taxi to work one of these days so I can get them home and start assembling it :)





*the metal "front" plate was placed all wrong, making it impossible to use monitor port 1 (because it was pressed too tightly against the casing) and I needed non standard screws etc. to actually get it fastened to anything. Sloppy design or sloppy construction, don't know. A lifespan of less than 2 years wasn't too impressive either.

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I think you must have been unlucky because I've had several Sapphire's and they've all been good quality. In fact, I think it's the brand that best balances prize/quality for ATI. They're also pretty generous with peripherals and games and stuff. Oh, and they come with three year warranty, which is most often longer than you'll ever want to keep your card anyhow.

Check out this one for example (since you mentioned 5970): http://www.overclock...e_toxic_hd5970/

(fastest card they've ever tested right out of the box)

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I hope it was just bad luck... as the warranty goes out the window when you start taking it apart and put your own cooling on it ;)

Thats a hefty model that Toxic. Takes a more serious gamer than me to even consider the crossfire option though. I'm a casual gamer at best (usually playing more old than new games), but fast OpenGL is a godsend for previewing scenes in my 3D apps, the latter also being what I need the processing power and memory for.

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Well keep in mind guys that regardless of the brand, two 'identical' cards probably contain components from at least 4 different manufacturers, and probably even countries. It makes comparing devices difficult, especially since the same manfuacturers supply the same parts to the different brands.

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Oh look, those nice guys at Gigabyte provided the motherboard with a stock watercooling block on the Northbridge :lol:

Yeah, finally got to unpack some of the boxes, just to realise that I forgot to order a wireless netcard (my old/current motherboard has it built in). Time to go shopping in one of the local retail stores over the Weekend.

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XFX for the win. I got burned by Sapphire and HIS and won't be buying any of their junk again. Diamond and MSI I've had luck with also.

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Whee, so Powercolor, Asus, XFX, Sapphire, HIS, Gigabyte and MSI all make 5970 cards. That will help narrowing down the selection process... not :w00t:

Only difference seems to be $100 between the cheapest and the most expensive. I seriously considered the Sapphire Toxic, but I wouldn't expect the cooling solution I've ordered to fit the double ram. Added a WD 600Gb Sata3 Velociraptor (10K RPM) to my cart while trying to sort out the gfx question.

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Recently, I had to uderclock my 4870 to avoid horrible artifacts. I've never overclock the card and the temperatures of my case are really good. I'm beginning to think that ati goes a little too far with the speed and this cause some kind of electronic decay. Perhaps you should go with the nvidia option, even if the perfomance is inferior by a small margin.

Edited by serch, 08 May 2010 - 01:20 AM.


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Recently, I had to uderclock my 4870 to avoid horrible artifacts. I've never overclock the card and the temperatures of my case are really good. I'm beginning to think that ati goes a little too far with the speed and this cause some kind of electronic decay. Perhaps you should go with the nvidia option, even if the perfomance is inferior by a small margin.

Heh, nice to know I'm not the only one in the world to have that particular experience. I've sort of got my mind set on this particular type of card though, not to mention already bought cooling solution for it (which wasn't cheap at around 150 Euro including shipping), so I just have to tell myself that it is better to burn out than fade away :w00t:

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XFX for the win. I got burned by Sapphire and HIS and won't be buying any of their junk again. Diamond and MSI I've had luck with also.

Looks like I'm going for the XFX (Black Edition).

Asus and Gigabyte has a reputation for not following reference layouts (according to a number of tech blogs and OC forums), Sapphire wasn't too impressive quality wise (although the speed and compatibility was execellent) and HIS and MSI is... completely unknown to me. So, the above wins by default ;)

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The fun of new hardware... :shifty:

Finally got most of the bits and pieces needed to assemble my computer, so I set out to plug in the new HDD, the XFX card and thats when the fun started. My old Windows Vista would crash with a bsod when shutting down causing the darn thing to restart autimatically and politely tell me that Windows experienced a problem when starting up again (completely "uninvited"). Ah well I thought, maybe there was an issue with the gfx card and the power consumption? It looked like it cut power prematurely somehow, before finishing the shutdown. Taking out my trusty old Radeon 2400 card and plugging that in instead, I set about installing Windows 7. Yep. 5 failed installation attempts later, it turned out that it wasn't the gfx card. It was the damn hdd :p

Finally got the XFX card in, removed the HDD, installed Windows 7 and things seems to be running. I tentatively tried (the day after) to plug the HDD back in (in a different SATA3 connection), though not as my primary/windows drive and the system appears stable. Either the motherboard has a single bad SATA3 connection or a good nights sleep did wonder for it. Go figure. I'll try installing Windows on it next time I need to reinstall. Of course, I have to take the thing apart again when the last bit arrives, as my cpu water block needs the backplate on the other side of the motherboard. Giving the XFX card a few weeks of work first before tearing off the stock cooling, just in case.

Had to remove the lower fan, between the bottom HDD's and power supply too, as the power supply is too long for the Antec case. Who dares wins.




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