LadyCrimson Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I didn't see the pilot but I caught the 2nd one last night, and thought it was ok. I thought the bow-guy was fine (maybe it helped he was cute? haha) for what the role called for. I mean, it wasn't a complicated role he had there, or anything. Echo's handler is the character that interested me right off. In a series where the main character (Echo) constantly changes or is a 'blank slate', one needs a constant chr. to gain sympathy/focus. I think the handler would be that, for me. He can kick arse in an efficient, impersonal way when he has to but obviously has potential moral dilemmas and emotional bonding with Echo. But it wasn't the type of show that makes you love it first sight. If it sticks around, I have the feeling it'd be the kind of series where everything would grow on you and by the end of a season you'd like it. Of course, the trick is to keep people watching for that whole season... “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 Ohh there was also a knife specialist assassin working for the other side in gunslinger girl. It's all coming together now. Joss got bored, though: "it's Fox who's gonna notice" and copied a random anime I didn't see the pilot but I caught the 2nd one last night, and thought it was ok. I thought the bow-guy was fine (maybe it helped he was cute? haha) for what the role called for. I mean, it wasn't a complicated role he had there, or anything. Echo's handler is the character that interested me right off. In a series where the main character (Echo) constantly changes or is a 'blank slate', one needs a constant chr. to gain sympathy/focus. I think the handler would be that, for me. He can kick arse in an efficient, impersonal way when he has to but obviously has potential moral dilemmas and emotional bonding with Echo. But it wasn't the type of show that makes you love it first sight. If it sticks around, I have the feeling it'd be the kind of series where everything would grow on you and by the end of a season you'd like it. Of course, the trick is to keep people watching for that whole season... Episode 6 is supposed to be the holy grail according to Joss. I'll keep watching, but I'm not liking it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 It's certainly not better than a random anime. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I watched the second episode. This one had more depth than the pilot, but everything lacks the "I want to be a crewmember on that spaceship" feeling that Firefly gave me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhomal Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I watched the second episode. This one had more depth than the pilot, but everything lacks the "I want to be a crewmember on that spaceship" feeling that Firefly gave me. They can't be all winners. Every writer has a miss for idea/concept. This may simply be his. As I think RDM is due for a miss and it is going to be caprica but I could be wrong. But I give caprica one, 2 seasons tops. damn sci-fi for forcing his hand and ending galactic.. it should have been 5 seasons... Admin of World of Darkness Online News News/Community site for the WoD MMORPG http://www.wodonlinenews.net --- Jericho sassed me so I broke into his house and stabbed him to death in his sleep. Problem solved. - J.E. Sawyer --- "I cannot profess to be a theologian; but it seems to me that Christians who believe in a super human Satan have got themselves into a logical impasse with regard to their own religion. For either God can not prevent the mischief of Satan, in which case he is not omnipotent; or else He could do so if he wished, but will not, in which case He is not benevolent. Fortunately, being a pagan witch, I am not called upon to solve this problem." - Doreen Valiente --- Expecting "innovation" from Bioware is like expecting "normality" from Valve -Moatilliatta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I dunno, I kinda suspect it would have been better if it had just been 3. Too much filler across the board. The pilots and the double headers where all excellent though. 45 minute intervals seem to spell doom. It's plenty of time do do nothing, and not enough time to do something worthwhile. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Well, ep3 didn't impress me. Echo's progression of seeming to remember itty-bitty memory/feelings despite mind programming/wiping could be interesting, but unless the show becomes consistently better fast, probably won't last long enough for us to care to watch it. The FBI guy is a complete waste of space. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted February 28, 2009 Author Share Posted February 28, 2009 Yeah, the pop singer plot was a real snoozefest. The possibilities for cool personas are limitless, but Joss goes with a negotiator, a date and a frickin' singer? How about an astronaut or a scientist or something? Oh my god, a bored pop star wants to die, stop the presses! I liked the cute girl next door and most of the Dollhouse scenes. It's cool that Victor the russian mobster is also a doll. Even Sierra's geeky fangirl persona was better than Echo's bland singer/secret bodyguard one. Still waiting for that 6th episode... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I liked the episode. I thought the 'twist' that the singer herself wanted to die was neat, and Echo's method of 'helping' her was definitely out of the box. I'm curiour about FBI agent's neighbour. And, oh btw, if that was Eliza actually singing (or wheover it was); please tell her to stop. People may rag on her acting (which I don't think is THAT bad); but her singing is atrocious. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted February 28, 2009 Author Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) I liked the episode. I thought the 'twist' that the singer herself wanted to die was neat, and Echo's method of 'helping' her was definitely out of the box. I'm curiour about FBI agent's neighbour. And, oh btw, if that was Eliza actually singing (or wheover it was); please tell her to stop. People may rag on her acting (which I don't think is THAT bad); but her singing is atrocious. I though that the twist itself was cool, but the presentation was pretty bad. It ended up as just another rich spoiled brat who is bored with life and wanted to die. I can't carry a tune to save my life, but it usually feels awkward when someone is singing without any music. I'm pretty sure it was her singing(Whedon has a thing for people who can sing. [Dr Horrible and all the musical episodes...]) and I really wanted her to stop. Edited February 28, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 but it usually feels awkward when someone is singing without any music. The singer has to have good voice control to sound great w/out music. Popular solo singers don't usually have to the control of, say, barbershop quartet singers to sound fine behind the music. And backup singers even less. I didn't think her singing in the show was that horrible. Which isn't to say it was good...kinda pitchy on the upnotes...but it didn't bother my ears. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 This week's epsiode was alright. Not special; but I actually enjoyed Echo's co thieves. I laughed when 'old stuff guy' ran out of the vault with the old stuff. L0L And, the two others' reactions to Echo's mindwipe was funny too. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) Wow, this episode was actually pretty good. It felt more Whedon-ish, even the secondary characters were interesting(the thieves and the intern girl). I liked the initial fakeout with the fake hooker and the wipe made things really interesting. I think that Eliza can play the tabula rasa Echo well, but is lacking a bit in other rolls. I keep thinking that Dichen Lachman(Sierra) would make a better main character, she sold me on Taffy way better than Eliza. Even the Victort/Paul scenes were pretty interesting this time around. What happened to the first three episodes, Whedon? Were you sleeping in the writers room? If the other episodes are at least as good as this then there might be hope for Dollhouse yet. EDIT: It's funny that they managed to find another set of high heels and leather pants for Sierra-Taffy, they must keep a lot of kinky stuff around Dollhouse. Edited March 8, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 I found something interesting, the script for the original Dollhouse pilot - Echo. I don't know why it's on the internet, but I think it's pretty good. Check it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I liked the last episode better than the singer one, and agree the guys in the vault w/her were fun. But the show still hasn't captured me. I keep watching because it's rare I see a show from the very beginning and I don't want to hear how great it became later and then be "lost"until syndication ... but ... Too bad it's on Friday nights. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) I liked the last episode better than the singer one, and agree the guys in the vault w/her were fun. But the show still hasn't captured me. I keep watching because it's rare I see a show from the very beginning and I don't want to hear how great it became later and then be "lost"until syndication ... but ... Too bad it's on Friday nights. Hulu, my dear. Hulu. The show has not particularly grabbed me either, yet, whereas Firefly had me hooked after an episode. I am sorry I continue to compare the two, but one would expect a writer/director to improve upon previous work, even if it's not in the same genre. Edited March 11, 2009 by Blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Keep it on the low-low, but apparently FOX has put the next episode online ahead of schedule. Try it if you're in the US. From the comments it seems that the episode is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Hulu, my dear. Hulu. Their commercials are funny. I occasionally use them to catch up on something, but watching on my pc monitor is not the same as watching it on the huge TV in HD. I'm visually spoiled now, and it's hard to sit still for less. We don't have a DVR at the moment, and I miss it. Plus my computer isn't set up with a comfy lounge chair, so it's not very appealing to watch TV on it. heh I think one of the issues I'm having with the show is that I thought originally it was supposed to be about rich people getting fantasy dates or social thingies, and it seems to be moving in the direction of it being rich people using the service for dangerous criminal missions. Which is it? The boss constantly mentioning the danger-risk percentage of a mission but allowing it anyway is akin to Kirk always mentioning (and then ignoring) the Prime Directive. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hulu, my dear. Hulu. Their commercials are funny. I occasionally use them to catch up on something, but watching on my pc monitor is not the same as watching it on the huge TV in HD. I'm visually spoiled now, and it's hard to sit still for less. We don't have a DVR at the moment, and I miss it. Plus my computer isn't set up with a comfy lounge chair, so it's not very appealing to watch TV on it. heh I think one of the issues I'm having with the show is that I thought originally it was supposed to be about rich people getting fantasy dates or social thingies, and it seems to be moving in the direction of it being rich people using the service for dangerous criminal missions. Which is it? The boss constantly mentioning the danger-risk percentage of a mission but allowing it anyway is akin to Kirk always mentioning (and then ignoring) the Prime Directive. Astute observation. Contact me on the com unit if anything else shows up. I'll be in my quarters. You have the bridge, number one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hulu, my dear. Hulu. Their commercials are funny. I occasionally use them to catch up on something, but watching on my pc monitor is not the same as watching it on the huge TV in HD. I'm visually spoiled now, and it's hard to sit still for less. We don't have a DVR at the moment, and I miss it. Plus my computer isn't set up with a comfy lounge chair, so it's not very appealing to watch TV on it. heh I think one of the issues I'm having with the show is that I thought originally it was supposed to be about rich people getting fantasy dates or social thingies, and it seems to be moving in the direction of it being rich people using the service for dangerous criminal missions. Which is it? The boss constantly mentioning the danger-risk percentage of a mission but allowing it anyway is akin to Kirk always mentioning (and then ignoring) the Prime Directive. You could always hook your computer up to your TV... This episode was okay, I like last week's better, but it wasn't bad. Maybe I just don't like suicide cults all that much, bank heists are way cooler. Everyone seems to be out to save their own ass, the evil ATF guy seemed a bit forced. The shower subplot was pretty funny, but what the heck was up with Adelle's speech at the end, it didn't fit her character one bit. Also nice seeing poor Mellie and Dr. Saunders get some screen time again. Next week is supposed to be the holy grail, so keep your eyes peeled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) You could always hook your computer up to your TV... Nah. We've done enough routers, switch-boxes and internet/cabletv wires in the attic/walls/running down the hallway to connect our multitude of internet pc's and small bedroom tvs in 4 different rooms as it is. My pc in here, big TV out there....more work, more wall/attic holes, not worth the effort. Plus the hulu vids would probably look terrible on a 50". Astute observation. Contact me on the com unit if anything else shows up. I'll be in my quarters. You have the bridge, number one. Edited March 15, 2009 by LadyCrimson “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 21, 2009 Author Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Wow, now we are getting somewhere! It's nice to see the "imprint of the week" stuff take a step back and focus being more on inner-Dollhouse dealings. Even Eliza managed to be funny for a few scenes. Poor Sierra, I knew from the start that it was her handler, that dude looked pretty skeevy from the start. I hope she isn't permanently scarred. Also nice to see Mellie finally get lucky. I didn't get the point of sending the handler to Mellie, only to get him arrested, though. They could just as well have boxed him in the dreaded "attic" or just have him be killed. I don't really know what to make of Echo's little speech to Ballard, I would think that it was all engineered by Adelle, but there probably is a anti-dollhouse thing out there. It's pretty obvious that there are more dollhouses out there. Maybe Alpha added the "message" to Echo's imprint? I really liked the news clips with people talking about the dollhouse "myth" that, along with the man who hired Echo do a great job of obscuring the morality of having programmable people. Joss Whedon and black and white morality just don't mix. Edited March 21, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 I tried to watch it last night, I really did. Not even Helo could bring me to complete it. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted March 21, 2009 Author Share Posted March 21, 2009 I tried to watch it last night, I really did. Not even Helo could bring me to complete it. Was it the first episode you watched? This is pretty much the episode where the story really gets going, it's a bit hard to get into it without seeing at least one of the previous episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 "I didn't get the point of sending the handler to Mellie, only to get him arrested, though." He's dead, I believe. Good episode; but not really all that much better than some earlier episodes. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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