Slowtrain Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Okay sounds good. I know my time is bad on a lot of stuff, because I am slow on chord transitions and whatnot. Though some early songs I do feel better with. One I play a lot is Leaving on a Jet Plane, and singing seems to help me keep time. Its better to try playing slowly and cleanly rather than fast and sloppy. Fast and sloppy just creates bad habits. Set your metronome to as slow a speed as you feel comfortable with. The speed will come all by itself as your body physically trains itself in what needs to be done. Learning to play an instrument is just as much a physical skill as playing a sport, and, just like a sport, practice is needed to allow your body to learn what to do. ANother helpful thing is to record yourself playing as much as possible. The quality of the recording doesn't matter. Even just a handheld recorder placed near the guitar is good enough. When you listen to the playback, you will really become aware of the weaknessess in your playing and what you need to work on. At first just work on keeping the tempo consistent and allow the notes to be full and smooth. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
alanschu Posted February 2, 2009 Author Posted February 2, 2009 I have indeed been playing slowly hahahaha.
thepixiesrock Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 What do you want to do with your guitar? What kind of music do you want to play and what not? Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there.
alanschu Posted February 2, 2009 Author Posted February 2, 2009 I like alternative rock. Foo Fighters and stuff like that. But I'm keen for anything really. It's fun! I am guessing a good drill is literally to do scales to a metronome for like 10-20 minutes, isn't it?
Tigranes Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Heh. When I learnt by myself I just set myself on learning songs, skipped every single sensible thing imaginable (including learning scales, practicing to metronomes, hell, knowing how to palm mute or change strings!) and just learning songs from Amazingly Easy (...Linkin Park) to Easy. But then I started playing very regularly with other people, and I could play other instruments before, so I picked up keeping in time and other such things as I went. If I didn't do that I would be one of those Teenage Horrors. I dunno alanschu. It *is* important to do scales and stuff but it's also important to keep yourself motivated, so maybe do half and half. Most Foo songs, esp. their older ones (Colour and the Shape, etc) are pretty easy once you can move around the frets relatively quickly, but you can find easier ones to start off with. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
thepixiesrock Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 I mean really, there's no reason for you to feel obligated to learn scales or read music, or anything like that. If you just want to play then you should be fine with just practicing the chords and whatever little melodies you want. Actually, what would be interesting is if you learned from this guy http://www.youtube.com/user/robbourassaguitarist If you start with his first lesson and keep doing those, I think that would actually be the best thing you could do. Like, if I could go back and relearn guitar, I would deffinetely use this. Basically, if you follow his method, ideally you'll be able to hear a melody, and then be able to immidiately play that melody harmonized within chords. Like, seriously Alan, you should really consider throwing out any other possible route to learning how to play guitar, and just focus all of your guitar time and attention on this method. Do it for me. Do it for yourself. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there.
alanschu Posted February 2, 2009 Author Posted February 2, 2009 Oh, I certainly don't plan on doing JUST scales Tigranes I would like to be good at guitar though, and I do about 5 minutes of scale practice to warm up. I haven't done it with a metronome though, so that will probably be helpful.
alanschu Posted February 4, 2009 Author Posted February 4, 2009 Hehehe, Chromatic scale at 60 bpm with metronome
Checkpoint Posted February 4, 2009 Posted February 4, 2009 Hey Allan, those suggestions about learning to read notations are a NO-NO. It's way too complicated at an early stage and will most likely only slow you down. Notation for a beginner is about as healthy as a fork in the toaster; I have played for 13 years and never learned anything more than basic notation. People say I'm pretty good, so DON'T DO IT. Notation won't give you good technique, it won't improve your rhythm and it sure as hell won't be as fun as just sitting down strumming away on one of your favourite songs, singing at the top of your voice. When it's fun, you learn. Otherwise it'll quickly become a chore and you'll lose interest. At least that's my belief. I remember getting a Beatles song book and just learning to play them and sing. In the beginning a technically more complicated song like Norwegian Wood wouldn't be too much fun, since you'd only strum one chord not being able to do the finger-work, but after a while you become confident and start looking at tabs so that you can learn to play the song properly. This will in turn expand your guitar world further and open up so many more possibilities. Hope you're making progress! ^Yes, that is a good observation, Checkpoint. /God
alanschu Posted February 4, 2009 Author Posted February 4, 2009 Define "notation" haha. I do the scales to warm up. Progress is going pretty good I think. The pinky is still weak
Starwars Posted February 4, 2009 Posted February 4, 2009 Notation = reading notes. As far as learning it, it just depends on what kind of person you are. I know people who've dived right into it, found it enjoyable and learned reading it at an early point in their playing. But yeah, for me it was definetely better to hold that off until I could play the guitar decently. I made the connection between notes on the paper and actually playing the guitar much easier then, but yeah... It's subjective. Pinky is usually "overlooked" by many players, at least in the beginning (since it's hard to use at first). It's great if you're trying to train that little guy right off the bat also. Building strength in all of your fingers is good. Also, don't forget your thumb also (on your fretting hand). You can bring it over and get some bass notes, and make some fingerings a bit easier to play. It isn't the "correct" way of playing according to classical guitarists, but hey... It's there, I say make use of it if you can make your playing flow better. Tears in Heaven is a piece that most guitarists starting out eventually runs into, and using your thumb there can be a great help. Listen to my home-made recordings (some original songs, some not): http://www.youtube.c...low=grid&view=0
alanschu Posted February 4, 2009 Author Posted February 4, 2009 Yeah I've seen people hit the 6th string on open G and whatnot with their thumb. Feels awkward to me :\ As for reading sheet music, don't care so much for that. This is mostly for fun (and any women that get impressed along the way...lets be honest here )
Meshugger Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Yeah I've seen people hit the 6th string on open G and whatnot with their thumb. Feels awkward to me :\ As for reading sheet music, don't care so much for that. This is mostly for fun (and any women that get impressed along the way...lets be honest here ) You're on the right track. That's why we do it at first, chicks simply dig it "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
alanschu Posted February 5, 2009 Author Posted February 5, 2009 That's why my Dad did it too actually haha. Turns out he's quite the rock star and I didn't even really know it until I was 20 years old. Watching him start playing All Along the Watchtower was pretty cool! Haha.
Kaftan Barlast Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Yeah I've seen people hit the 6th string on open G and whatnot with their thumb. Feels awkward to me :\ You need really big hands and a thin-necked guitar, most people cant do it. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
alanschu Posted February 5, 2009 Author Posted February 5, 2009 My Dad says a lot of people do it cheat, and mute the 5th string with their thumb, so they only need to use their fingers for the 1st string 3rd fret (for the open G anyway)
Slowtrain Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 My Dad says a lot of people do it cheat, and mute the 5th string with their thumb, so they only need to use their fingers for the 1st string 3rd fret (for the open G anyway) Its not cheating. You can voice chords in many different ways all along the neck. Changing your voicings will change how the chord sounds. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
Meshugger Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 My Dad says a lot of people do it cheat, and mute the 5th string with their thumb, so they only need to use their fingers for the 1st string 3rd fret (for the open G anyway) Nah, i do that myself, but i huge hands to boot. I am more accustomed to play on my 7-string, since it fits my hand more naturally. 6-strings usually feel to tiny. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
alanschu Posted February 5, 2009 Author Posted February 5, 2009 Well, "cheating" in the sense that it's not the standard full open G chord. It's still a legit chord obviously.
Checkpoint Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Yeah I've seen people hit the 6th string on open G and whatnot with their thumb. Feels awkward to me :\ You need really big hands and a thin-necked guitar to be Jimi Hendrix, most people cant do it. Yeh, I hear ya. ^Yes, that is a good observation, Checkpoint. /God
Krookie Posted February 17, 2009 Posted February 17, 2009 I bought a Macbook the other day and just realized there are free guitar lessons built into GarageBand. I completed the first two (learned to play E, G, and C chords). Having never played guitar I don't know how good the lessons are but it's fun. Now my fingers hurt.
Guest The Architect Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 What's that? Your fingers hurt? Oh, well, now your back's gonna hurt, 'cause you just pulled landscaping duty. Anybody else's fingers hurt? I didn't think so.
alanschu Posted February 18, 2009 Author Posted February 18, 2009 Haha classic. Got in some good practice today.
Llyranor Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 Whatever you do, don't follow pixies' advice. He sucks at guitars. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it)
thepixiesrock Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 That isn't what your dad said last night. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there.
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