Movies you have seen lately

[Lare Kikkeli]

Thriller: En Grym Film. Swedish (s)exploitation film from the 70's. Supposedly the only movie ever banned in Sweden. It was pretty good, chilling action sequences, weird plot and titties. Oh and the uncut version has some pretty filthy hardcore porn clips that were probably the least erotic i've ever seen. Great movie if you like oldschool exploitation revenge flicks. The main character was an inspiration for Daryl Hannah's character in Kill Bills. Edited July 23, 2008 by Lare Kikkeli

[Pope]

just noticed this on imdb:

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152836/

 

Mann + Bale + Depp = w00t overdose

[Gfted1]

Supposedly the only movie ever banned in Sweden.

 

Trivia: Swedish censorship banned the film in April 4, 1973. Despite the tag line, this is not the first Swedish film to be banned in Sweden, that was Tr

[Tale]

They just get a bit too sci fi (and silly).

Isn't that what the ending of Begins and the entirety of Dark Knight was about? Batman changed the rules. He opened the doors to ridiculous villains.

 

Admittedly, it'd be hard to have Mr. Freeze without feeling like the movies were making a drastic change of direction. Possibly for the worse, so I do agree with the point. But I'll be hopeful that they'll find a way.

Edited July 23, 2008 by Tale

[Jediphile]

So who is the next villian?

 

I say Riddler. The only Batman villains that I think would fit Nolan's realistic take are Riddler, Hugo Strange, and Black Mask. Black Mask is too new to use and Hugo Strange I don't think could carry a film. Use riddler, make him a polic cryptoanalyst on the Batman case

who was close to one of the dirty cops killed by Two-Face and blamed on batman.

Who decides the best way to lure Batman out for revenge is to become a criminal himself.

 

Considering how The Dark Knight ends, I'd say Hugo Strange's public psychoanalysis of Batman in the "Prey" storyline by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy would be perfect to open a third movie with. Hugo Strange has never been done on the big screen, and it would seem fitting in the light of Batman going nuts trying to take down the Joker for someone to pursue him for being a demented madman. And given how The Dark Knight unfolds for Bruce Wayne romantically, it also wouldn't be a bad time for Catwoman to enter the scene. She has always been the enticing femme fatale of Batman, whom he desires but knows he can never reach for. Depending on who could be cast, it could be fantastic to see the pair in a waltz of a chase across the rooftops of Gotham City similar to what can be seen in the animated Batman series.

 

I don't think the Riddler, Penguin, Bane, or Mr. Freeze are right for Nolan's vision of Batman without either heavy rewrites of the characters or being incredibly cheesy, and in either case why bother. Riddler and Penguin could only work as small time crooks, with Penguin working in the position the comic books eventually assigned to him as a fence using a night club as cover. Clayface, Bane, Mr. Freeze or Killer Croc (though he does appear in the "prequel of sorts" animated Batman: Gotham Knight) would all be too much "action-pumped" or "visual effects bonanza" for the type of Batman Nolan is doing, and we DON'T want ANY possibility of a repeat of Schumacher's "Batman and Robin", thanks. I consider myself a Batman fan, but I'll freely admit that must one of the worst movies ever (with Alicia Silverstone's bodytight latex-suit as the only redeeming detail... )

[Tale]

I think Riddler could work perfectly. However, he'd be little more than Joker2.

Edited July 23, 2008 by Tale

[Jediphile]

I think Riddler could work perfectly. However, he'd be little more than Joker2.

 

No, the Joker is an insane psychopath. The Riddler is "merely" a highly intelligent thief with a compulsion for overly elaborate schemes and challenging the Batman to outthink him.

[Hurlshort]

I really don't see the Joker coming back as another actor. If Ledger had been less stellar, maybe, but he's irreplaceable after his performance. They are already talking about a posthumous Oscar, for goodness sake. They will probably make vague hints and allusions about the Joker in the third film, but I'd put big money down on them not having another actor fill the role.

[Tale]

I think Riddler could work perfectly. However, he'd be little more than Joker2.

 

No, the Joker is an insane psychopath. The Riddler is "merely" a highly intelligent thief with a compulsion for overly elaborate schemes and challenging the Batman to outthink him.

That difference would be practically cosmetic. The Joker of the movie issues challenges to the city or he'll commit a crime. The Riddler issues challenges to Batman to stop a crime. The only major difference in activity is that Joker is asking the people to commit a crime for him.

[Jediphile]

I think Riddler could work perfectly. However, he'd be little more than Joker2.

 

No, the Joker is an insane psychopath. The Riddler is "merely" a highly intelligent thief with a compulsion for overly elaborate schemes and challenging the Batman to outthink him.

That difference would be practically cosmetic. The Joker of the movie issues challenges to the city or he'll commit a crime. The Riddler issues challenges to Batman to stop a crime. The only major difference in activity is that Joker is asking the people to commit a crime for him.

 

But that's the difference - the Joker does it to incite anarchy and chaos among the population. The Riddler merely wants to get rich. The whole point of The Dark Knight is that Batman is helpless against the Joker because there is no motive to figure out - "some people just want to see the world burn," as Alfred puts it. The Joker doesn't do it for personal gain. But Batman can always catch the Riddler by interpreting his clues, and unlike the Joker, the Riddler doesn't kill. So why should Batman even bother? Sure, the Riddler will rob money, but how bad is that to the drug money taken in by the mob or the chaos the Joker creates? The Riddler looks small time by comparison and scarcely someone likely to make Gotham City fall apart. The Batman simply has bigger fish to fry in these movies than hunting down some hoodlum looking for cash in a sleuth-plot with only himself and the Riddler, where Gotham City is not an issue. In these movies Batman's goal is to prevent Gotham City from falling apart and degeneration into total corruption and apathy. The Riddler simply presents no threat to that goal, and so his presence could not carry a movie by himself. He could only be a side-character.

[Tale]

Arguing that Riddler would only be a side character is making my point for me in spades. The thing against having the Riddler is that he couldn't top the Joker, but would step on the Joker's toes. The fact that he does it while not being nearly as interesting or pivotal as the Joker only makes it worse. Joker jr. instead of Joker 2.

Edited July 23, 2008 by Tale

[Pope]

Just saw TDK. Pure awesomeness does not even begin to describe how good it was.

 

I'm putting my money on Riddler and Catwoman for part 3.

[Musopticon?]

I have too see that movie, but I've promised to hold up until I can watch it together with the missus. It irks the bejesus out of me.

[Kelverin]

D.O.A. (1950) - "I want to report a murder" Good film, interesting plot device, it is a little dated. I thought it was well done and worth the time it took to watch it. I would stay away from the remake.

7.5/10

 

X-Men (2000) - Not bad at all, most of the characters are very different from the books I read X-Men 94-200. The cast did a good job, the story was interesting enough, did not like the costumes and would actually prefer the yellow/black spandex, or at least a reasonable resemblance to the costumes in the comics. At least Magneto is still a villain.

7/10

[Sand]

Arguing that Riddler would only be a side character is making my point for me in spades. The thing against having the Riddler is that he couldn't top the Joker, but would step on the Joker's toes. The fact that he does it while not being nearly as interesting or pivotal as the Joker only makes it worse. Joker jr. instead of Joker 2.

 

How about Solomon Grundy and Poison Ivy?

[Pidesco]

How about Superman as the villain? An altered Superman to fit Nolan's view of Batman.

[Jediphile]

How about Superman as the villain? An altered Superman to fit Nolan's view of Batman.

 

Why not just put Miller's "Dark Knight Returns" on the big screen then? Batman surely kicks Superman's rear at the end of that

 

But then I don't think they have the rights to do that. Or at least I don't think Nolan does.

[Kelverin]

How about Superman as the villain? An altered Superman to fit Nolan's view of Batman.

What you want a 20 second movie?...Bambi vs Godzilla comes to mind.

[Jediphile]

And in non-Dark Knight yet movie related news, I just had a chance to see Connery's last stint as Bond again in "Never Say Never Again" on dvd.

 

Ouch... I must say, Moore has nothing to be ashamed of as Bond after Connery did that bit. I just couldn't get over how much younger they try to make him look on the dvd cover, and how much older he looked in the film. Some things you just shouldn't return to...

[Kelverin]

And in non-Dark Knight yet movie related news, I just had a chance to see Connery's last stint as Bond again in "Never Say Never Again" on dvd.

 

Ouch... I must say, Moore has nothing to be ashamed of as Bond after Connery did that bit. I just couldn't get over how much younger they try to make him look on the dvd cover, and how much older he looked in the film. Some things you just shouldn't return to...

Seriously? Moore is 3 years older, and has never been the physical presence Connery has. Can you picture Moore in the PTS fight scene? The fight at the Heath Club? Any fight scene? Now if want to argue that Octopussy released the same year is a better film, then you might have an argument otherwise Connery>Moore

[Jediphile]

And in non-Dark Knight yet movie related news, I just had a chance to see Connery's last stint as Bond again in "Never Say Never Again" on dvd.

 

Ouch... I must say, Moore has nothing to be ashamed of as Bond after Connery did that bit. I just couldn't get over how much younger they try to make him look on the dvd cover, and how much older he looked in the film. Some things you just shouldn't return to...

Seriously? Moore is 3 years older, and has never been the physical presence Connery has. Can you picture Moore in the PTS fight scene? The fight at the Heath Club? Any fight scene? Now if want to argue that Octopussy released the same year is a better film, then you might have an argument otherwise Connery>Moore

 

My point was sort of that they should both have stopped long before they did. Moore shouldn't have done Moonraker (bleh...) and Connery shouldn't have done Never Say Never Again. Sure, Moore was a different Bond, but that doesn't make him worse by default - he had a certain classy (perhaps over-class, as in arrogang) style and finesse was resultet in some hilarious moments. I won't dismiss that so easily just because Connery excelled in other areas. And before anyone says Connery was the "real Bond", we all know that the real Bond must be the original, the person who first played the character, which would then be Barry Nelson

[Kelverin]

My point was sort of that they should both have stopped long before they did. Moore shouldn't have done Moonraker (bleh...) and Connery shouldn't have done Never Say Never Again. Sure, Moore was a different Bond, but that doesn't make him worse by default - he had a certain classy (perhaps over-class, as in arrogang) style and finesse was resultet in some hilarious moments. I won't dismiss that so easily just because Connery excelled in other areas.

I see your point, but I also find Connery just as funny (he also had better written scripts) and easily as sophisticated as Moore, but he could also kick your ass something Moore never was able to get across on the screen, hell I would wouldn't mess with Connery now and he must be 78 years old.

[Walsingham]

How about Superman as the villain? An altered Superman to fit Nolan's view of Batman.

 

To quote from a similar discussion in the game Band of Brothers: "...He can shoot lasers from his eyes. From his EYES!"

[Jediphile]

How about Superman as the villain? An altered Superman to fit Nolan's view of Batman.

 

To quote from a similar discussion in the game Band of Brothers: "...He can shoot lasers from his eyes. From his EYES!"

 

Superman doesn't have laser-sight, just heat-vision. That can be deadly, but then Batman seems to have a tendency to carry Kryptonite around, it seems...

[Walsingham]

The only thing going against superman is that he is a moron. I mean total goddamned moron.

 

He spends all his time fighting crooks. He could probably single handedly end all poverty, avoiding more crime than he can ever punch. .