Xard Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 If one really wants to destroy terrorism you must destroy roots that causes it, such as poverty, economic and social problems, and try to reach equality between people to name few. How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 It is in my opinion a nonsense to talk about fighting terrorism. That's like talking about fighting swimming. It's a technique of fighting. But we can fight a single guy who has chosen to pursue terrorsit goals, using the rule of law to try and avoid nobbling innocent people. We can also try to nobble terrorist operations, by tying their shoelaces together etc. But terrorism is emphatically not going to go away. On the other hand, if we fail to successfully prosecute our existing terrorist targets, and bring people like Bin Laden visibly to justice then we will only see a rise in this technique. And as Meta so kindly observed, that was my point. We've removed the Talibs from the capital and many other areas, but until we give the PBA (poor bloody Afghans) some sort of alternative to a subsistence/tribal/bandit economy then we can only expect trouble. This means actually spending some of the hundreds of millions of dollars in aid we promised them five years ago. I'm not saying prosperity is the whole answer, though. It's a complex problem and it needs a complex solution. I mean, hell, we have terrorists born and raised in the UK in quite comfy surroundings. EDIT: Gfted1. I don't know anyone in the services above the rank of corporal who feels more indiscriminate firepower is the answer. That road leads ultimately to a war of attrition and genocide. Which while a technical possibility isn't going to involve either of our countries. Half measures on that road are the worst of all worlds. You have only to look at the 'both hands' approaches of countries like Turkey, Colombia, and the old apartheid South Africa to see that unfettered does not mean more effective. Generally it means more brutal and sloppy. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) Nice sentiment, and I wish it can happen, Xard, but reality of it there is no way it ever will. It isn't within human nature. Right on, Wash. If we focused on Afganistan instead of wasted resources and lives on Iraq things would be quite different I am sure. Edited January 17, 2007 by Sand Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xard Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 And that's why war against terrorism is madness How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorian Drake Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 GG America, you guys are sure popular. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> exactly, and its even improving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I think they should benchpress Osama. This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Benchpress? How would using Osama as device for weight training stop terrorism? Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 EDIT: Gfted1. I don't know anyone in the services above the rank of corporal who feels more indiscriminate firepower is the answer. That road leads ultimately to a war of attrition and genocide. Which while a technical possibility isn't going to involve either of our countries. Half measures on that road are the worst of all worlds. You have only to look at the 'both hands' approaches of countries like Turkey, Colombia, and the old apartheid South Africa to see that unfettered does not mean more effective. Generally it means more brutal and sloppy. More brutal? Certainly. More sloppy? I suppose. One only needs to look at the complete annihilation of Germany to see with crystal clarity how an "idea" can be, while not completely destroyed, effecivly made to be moot. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xard Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nazism and terrosim are totally different kind of things. You can't use same methods. Besides, against Germany, it was open war. Against terrorism there can't be open war How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorian Drake Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nazism and terrosim are totally different kind of things. You can't use same methods. Besides, against Germany, it was open war. Against terrorism there can't be open war <{POST_SNAPBACK}> no open war is possible against something what doesn't have borders, thats like attacking flu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) Nazism and terrosim are totally different kind of things. You can't use same methods. Besides, against Germany, it was open war. Against terrorism there can't be open war no open war is possible against something what doesn't have borders, thats like attacking flu Obviously you've never gone to war with the flu. With futuristic miniaturization technology, we can bring modern weaponry and tactics into health care. Why, I remember one battle me and my squad had in the body of a sick child with chicken pox just a few weeks ago. It was a fierce battle. We lost johnny, he was so young. He was killed by friendly fire from a white blood cell. That idiotic cell pulled the grenade and threw the pin. Edited January 17, 2007 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nice sentiment, and I wish it can happen, Xard, but reality of it there is no way it ever will. It isn't within human nature. Right on, Wash. If we focused on Afganistan instead of wasted resources and lives on Iraq things would be quite different I am sure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey! You know damn well I was/am behind the regime change in Iraq. I just wanted it doen after we'd finished the job in Afghanistan. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I just wanted it doen after we'd finished the job in Afghanistan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't worry. Canada is taking care of that cleanup. I mean :'( http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 And a damn fine job you're doing too, if I may say. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 GG America, you guys are sure popular. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> exactly, and its even improving <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Found your twin soul, didn't you? - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) So, you are saying that it is okay to have threats against the US go unchecked, Alan? Interesting view. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I said no such thing. In fact, I made no implication whatsoever about my stance on the situation. You could not have concluded anything of the sort. Edited January 17, 2007 by alanschu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nice sentiment, and I wish it can happen, Xard, but reality of it there is no way it ever will. It isn't within human nature. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How would someone who doesn't do "What If" scenarios be able to definitively make such an outrageous claim? OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laozi Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) No, the problem in Iraq is that we have to be mindful of civilians and cannot properly raze locations that harbor terrorists. You cant win a fight with one hand tied behind your back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The biggest problem for Iraq is that the average citizen doesn't support the system of government that the U.S. is trying to impose there. Only a bit under 7% of citizens polled last spring would support a free market economy, where as about 65% would prefer a largely-state controlled economy. Without the support of the average citizen all efforts in Iraq are sure to fail. But that neither here nor there, this thread is about Bin Laden and his capture and/or death. It would be difficult to argue that the capturing of Bin Laden would validate our efforts in the eyes of alot of people, but its not like all terrorist sit at a big table with Bin Laden at the head. Edited January 17, 2007 by Laozi People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nice sentiment, and I wish it can happen, Xard, but reality of it there is no way it ever will. It isn't within human nature. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How would someone who doesn't do "What If" scenarios be able to definitively make such an outrageous claim? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A careful review of the last 5,000 years of human history. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nice sentiment, and I wish it can happen, Xard, but reality of it there is no way it ever will. It isn't within human nature. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How would someone who doesn't do "What If" scenarios be able to definitively make such an outrageous claim? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A careful OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 So, are you saying that the majority of human history hasn't been full of misery that we have caused ourselves? That it is replete of milk and honey? There have been individuals that have broken the norm of human behavior but we, as a people, have largely preyed upon each other for power, greed, and just general intolerance. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 No, I just question that you are qualified to make any logical conclusions about anything, as you start with an a priori conclusion and then look for evidence to support it (coincidental correlation with reality, notwithstanding). OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 You are good to question, because I am not. I just like a good argument, win or lose. :D Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purgatorio Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So, are you saying that the majority of human history hasn't been full of misery that we have caused ourselves? That it is replete of milk and honey? There have been individuals that have broken the norm of human behavior but we, as a people, have largely preyed upon each other for power, greed, and just general intolerance. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's a rather depressing view to take, if humanity was that bad we would have wiped ourselves out long ago..... problem solved. Capturing him wont make any difference, and he is more likely to be shot. But if he was found his fate would depend on who caught him. I am sure they made contingencies for what to do if their leader gets killed, I mean they are the greatest threat to democracy eva. No the only way to stop them is to commit barbaric slaughters of their own people in their name. Then we could move on to more important things like undermining governments to expand democracy. Yay! Democracy! No, I am not referring to the government of Iraq. S.A.S.I.S.P.G.M.D.G.S.M.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 That's a rather depressing view to take, if humanity was that bad we would have wiped ourselves out long ago..... problem solved. Nah. There is a counter to that. Sex. For the human being sex is very enjoyable and we do like to do things that give pleasure. Also add in our relative short pregnancy cycle we can spread out in a large population in a few decades. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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