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Well, since all I needed was patience to play Jade Empire I am going to wait for JE2 and ME come on PC, which they will eventually do.

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Alright I got my PS3 via UPS yesterday. I don't have any games for it yet, but I guess I'll give some first impressions on my experience with setting everything up and the Motorstorm Demo.

Setting up the PS3 is very, very, very easy. The main PS3 interface is actually very simple and intuitive. I thought it would be difficult, judging from some peoples opinions, but it was in fact very simple. Everything has a graphical picture which represents the area it leads to. You navigate by going left and right to select the area you wish to go to (Music, Display, Game, Movie, etc), then up and down to go through the subcategories. Pretty easy.

Downloading updates and demos takes a long time. It took me about 10 minutes to download and install the latest PS3 update, and about 20 minutes to download and install the Motorstorm demo. It's really not that slow, and considering you don't have to pay any sort of fee to use the service, I suppose it's adequate. The main problem I have with that is you can't do anything else while it's downloading. I guess when a PS3 update comes, it's time to go hop in the shower or grab a sandwich or something. :brows:

Motorstorm looks okay. It's nothing graphically overpowering. It didn't make me go "Wow!" or anything. It really wasn't all that fun to play, though. I don't even know how to say it. The game's probably going to suck.

The motion sensing in Motorstorm is fun for a few seconds, but it doesn't really work too well. It could work, I think, but it just isn't optimized. It's just too sensitive. Plus, swaying the controller back and forth kind of gets irritating after a while. I think the best thing gaming devs can do with the motion sensing is just implement minor features to help immerse you in the game, instead of giving you full on "gameplay experiences" using it to control your guy. The motion sensing with Motorstorm is optional, and I turned it off after a while. Maybe it'll be better when the game's released, I know it's a few months off.

The PS3 controller is lighter than the PS2's, but it doesn't really feel "cheap". It's exactly the same as the PS2's, except that L2 and R2 are trigger buttons now. I'll say this now...

I DO NOT LIKE THESE TRIGGER BUTTONS. My finger constantly slipped off of them. They felt uncomfortable. There's no "up slide" at the back of it to hold your finger on it and keep it from slipping off. The angle is strange. I just don't like them at all. It probably isn't so bad if you use it as a trigger in say, a shooting game, but in a game like Motorstorm where you have to hold it down practically the entire time (as it's the main acceleration), it's awful. I don't like the trigger buttons at all. Some people love them though...we'll see I guess.

The last thing I (briefly) looked at was the PS3's browser. I only messed with it once, but it pissed me off. I tried to go to gamespot.com, and it wouldn't go. So I tried to go to rpgamer.com and my PS3 froze completely. Bleh.

I watched a Blu-Ray movie, Space Cowboys, and it looked great!

So, in retrospect...good interface, crappy browser, crappy trigger buttons on the otherwise flawless (my opinion) tried and true PS2 controller converted to uber PS3 wireless omgz0rzness, Blu-Ray plays great, system runs completely silent, touch buttons for ejecting disks and turning the PS3 on make it "cool" (Don't ask), the Chrome Trim and shiny surface are sexy as hell. Until you touch it. Then it's a fingerprint magnet. :brows:

I really need a game to try out on it. All in all, I can see the potential the PS3 has. There's some minor problems I have though. The biggest being those freakin trigger buttons.

Edit: Oh, PSN ID. Mine is: Incinerat3. If any of you Obsidian / Old School Black Isle Fans happen to be on Resistance later today, hit me up.

Edited by TravisPennington, 30 November 2006 - 06:05 AM.


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A non-gaming review of the PS3 is actually quite useful, especially since Sony has marketed as some kind of living room multimedia entertainment behemoth.

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I was searching for a tidbit about the Playstation 3 that we argued about on these forums a while back, but then I ended up reading a bunch of old threads and forgot what I was looking for.. But it wasn't entirely fruitless! I found this post, by our very own profit Epiphany, that I thought was kind of funny in hindsight:

Yet, continually, as more information is released regarding the X360/PS3, I'm proven correct.

He starts off strong with this bold claim (we'll ignore his DirectX 10 debacle for now)..

Well, the proof is in the pudding, and the simple fact of the matter is Bethesda made it publicly known time and time again, that every console that could handle Oblivion would get it - Guess what, it's X360 exclusive.

..and a few lines later in the post comes this claim: Oblivion is Xbox 360 exclusive!

I think it's common knowledge by now that Oblivion will indeed come to the Playstation 3.

The only prediction/opinion I was proven wrong on (and not even by you people), was when I said that MS would most likely put HD-DVD drives in the X360 before launch, and that decision would be made in late August.

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Because he was so clearly proven wrong earlier in the same post I thought this last little paragraph was hilarious. :))

Ahem.. back to searching! :brows:

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How is my comment on Oblivion wrong? Oh yeah, it's not. Bethesda said time and time again that every console that could handle it would get it. - It was 360 exclusive, they continually claimed so, and then got it up and running on the PS3. How is that comment wrong?

Dig up quotes, I couldn't care less, but I've been right the vast majority of the time. Multiplatform games are better on the 360, be it by color contrast or by framerate/stability. I constantly said 360 games would be better, or equal to PS3 games. Hell, even 1up's "What the cell is going on?" article is an utter mockery of what Sony claimed the PS3 would be, versus what it actually turned out to be.

The hardware is almost a joke - the lack of unified memory will cripple the system. Epic (who is a multiplatform developer) has already said the 360 runs the UE3 better than the PS3, and that Gears of War would be impossible to run on the PS3 due to its lack of memory.

Online is better on the 360, as Sony's free service doesn't even begin to compare to the quality of Live. Nothing is global and everything is slapped together. Sony was so sloppy with their online component that some games had to have online support completely removed - THPS 8 for instance.

No hardware scaler? LOL - I guess Sony is still waiting to let everyone play in HD - since it (next-gen) was supposed to start when they said so.

I fully understand that most of the people here are anti Xbox/MS, that's fine and no big deal. I'll continue to post, and I'll continue to be here to laugh and chuckle when another PS3 failing comes to light.

Dig up more quotes though, it saves you from actually participating in the topic itself.

Oh and you wanted games, but can't "find" anything good on the 360?

Sandbox = Just Cause and Saints Row [GTA 4 with exclusive episodic content next year]
RPG = Oblivion and Enchanted Arms - [Blue Dragon (9/9/9/10 in Famitsu and second most wanted game in Japan - per a Famitsu poll), Lost Odyssey, Fable 2, Infinite Undiscovery, Eternal Sonata, and Mass Effect next year (except perhaps Fable 2)]

Edited by Fionavar, 30 November 2006 - 10:52 AM.


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The problem is that any CRPG coming out or is out on the X Box 360 that I want or will want to play is also on or eventually be on the PC. Why get a X Box 360 then?

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Because you could stop upgrading your PC every time a game comes out. Buy a $400 console and you're set for 5 years.

Edited by Krookie, 30 November 2006 - 02:06 PM.


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The problem is, I had to go to "Urban Dictionary" to find out what "Vaporware" was.

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It's a good thing they wrote that urban dictionary in the last decade, then. ^_^

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Because you could stop upgrading your PC every time a game comes out. Buy a $400 console and you're set for 5 years.

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The majority of my games that I play are on the PC.

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Because you could stop upgrading your PC every time a game comes out. Buy a $400 console and you're set for 5 years.

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So a bunch of games developed for a static platform will DEMAND upgraded specs on a PC?

I'm playing NwN2 on a three year old laptop; the only imperative to upgrade remains personal whim.

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Because you could stop upgrading your PC every time a game comes out. Buy a $400 console and you're set for 5 years.

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So a bunch of games developed for a static platform will DEMAND upgraded specs on a PC?

I'm playing NwN2 on a three year old laptop; the only imperative to upgrade remains personal whim.

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I disagree. Very few games are optimized for the lowest-common denominator. Most PC games are designed to run well only on the latest hardware configurations and provide a sub-par gaming experience on older machines. Some are very well made in that you can experience most of the content as the developer intended even on slightly dated hardware, but if you have a new system you will get additional bells-and-whistles and eye candy that enhance your experience. HL2 and Guild Wars are two such games. I can't think of many other games that use this philosophy. Most are designed to provide a satisfactory experience only with "recommended" configurations.

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Yes, I had to upgrade (meaning buying a brand new rig) for NWN2.

(I had a 4 year old laptop).

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I'll endup downloading Linux on my PS3 in the future, but at the moment I'm preoccupied with playing games.

I messed around with the Motorstorm Demo a bit more. I must have sucked really bad at it before, but I'm starting to enjoy it a lot now. You feel like you're going *really* fast when you hold boost down for a while, and there's a geat motion blur. It feels like a Burnout game, but done in a different style. We'll see how it turns out at the end.

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Because you could stop upgrading your PC every time a game comes out. Buy a $400 console and you're set for 5 years.

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So a bunch of games developed for a static platform will DEMAND upgraded specs on a PC?

I'm playing NwN2 on a three year old laptop; the only imperative to upgrade remains personal whim.

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I disagree. Very few games are optimized for the lowest-common denominator. Most PC games are designed to run well only on the latest hardware configurations and provide a sub-par gaming experience on older machines. Some are very well made in that you can experience most of the content as the developer intended even on slightly dated hardware, but if you have a new system you will get additional bells-and-whistles and eye candy that enhance your experience. HL2 and Guild Wars are two such games. I can't think of many other games that use this philosophy. Most are designed to provide a satisfactory experience only with "recommended" configurations.

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No, I didn't say there was no reason to upgrade, I was refuting the claim that playing games on a PC REQUIRED one to spend money continually upgrading. Which is untrue.

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No, I didn't say there was no reason to upgrade, I was refuting the claim that playing games on a PC REQUIRED one to spend money continually upgrading. Which is untrue.

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Depends on your "upgrade style". If you tend to buy newer and more expensive hardware, you'd upgrade less often; on the other hand, if you upgrade just to meet minimum requirements, yes, you will be continually upgrading.

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One interesting point is, there are no JRPGs among the PS3's launch titles but two 'rpg wannabe' hack&slash games.

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I really don't know how people can say this "PS3 is a bargain" stuff and still take themselves seriously. When I look at the PS3, I see a more expensive version of my 360 with an inferior controller and $200 tacked onto the price for a next-gen storage format that my games don't need and my TV can't use. I see a much smaller game library, with the only exclusives being games I have absolutely zero interest in. But this is somehow a bargain because it forces me to pay for things I don't need (Blu-ray, wifi, etc) while the 360 lets me save money by making those things optional. I just don't get it.

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Gamespot.com did a graphic comparison for the XBox 360 and PS3, XBox 360 won. It generally had better lighting and the same graphics if not very close every time.

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I really don't know how people can say this "PS3 is a bargain" stuff and still take themselves seriously.  When I look at the PS3, I see a more expensive version of my 360 with an inferior controller and $200 tacked onto the price for a next-gen storage format that my games don't need and my TV can't use.  I see a much smaller game library, with the only exclusives being games I have absolutely zero interest in.  But this is somehow a bargain because it forces me to pay for things I don't need (Blu-ray, wifi, etc) while the 360 lets me save money by making those things optional.  I just don't get it.

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I sure as hell don't feel that the Playstation 3 is a bargain right now either. But I do have the ability to foresee the potential and future development of the machine and all that surrounds it (and I won't even mention the Linux part of it). The Playstation 2 had the biggest library of games of all the consoles. The Playstation 3 might get there someday, thanks to Sony's connections with third party publishers.

The controller sucks right now (as some people miss the rumble feature, me not included) but perhaps someone will find a way to make it work? Like perhaps a LocoRoco for the Playstation 3, where tilting the controller will tilt the world? It has potential to become good and useful.

The Blu-Ray inclusion doesn't really bother me. History tells me that we'll need bigger storage formats soon. Perhaps not this year or next year, but soon. I mean, I am pissed if a game of today is being sold on a bundle of CD's instead of a DVD. It wasn't long ago when games were sold on floppy disks and CD's were the future. Blu-Ray will come in handy in two to three years. The bad thing about it is that it's not optional. The good thing about it not being optional is that it can be used for games, unlike the HD-DVD for the Xbox 360. It's all about potential and different trade-offs.

I agree that almost noone has any use for 1080p right now. And, as expected, almost no games are using that resolution on the Playstation 3 yet. But flat screen TV's are outselling fat TV's by four to one in Sweden already. They are mostly 720p, with a few being 1080p. More and more TV's produced will be 1080p compatible though, as the screens for making LCD's will become cheaper and cheaper. Who knows what kind of TV we'll be using in two to three years time. Again, potential.

The "next-gen" console games I am most interested in right now are Bioshock and Mass Effect (I'll exclude Assassin's Creed right now), two Xbox 360 exclusive games and that's a huge advantage for the Xbox 360. But the game I am actually playing the most right now? Singstar on the Playstation 2. Don't think for a second that the Playstation 3 won't be getting its fair deal of must-have titles too.

The Playstation 3 is (still) all about potential. Some people like paying for potential, some people don't. It's all a matter of taste. Take our own money-pooping board member Bokishi for example: he just spent $600+ on a eVGA Geforce 8800GTX video card for his PC. That's more than what you'd have to pay for a Playstation 3. What made Bokishi shell out so much for that single video card? For one thing, it has hardware support for DirectX 10, even though no games will actually use DirectX10 until around February 2007. It's all about the potential.

I should get a Wii.

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I hear Sony talking about potential all the time, but it really just isn't there, it's a sham, like everything else Sony has talked about and hyped up for their consoles. The Playstation 2 had the largest library of games because it had the largest userbase and was out for a longer period of time than the other consoles, not because of any "connections with 3rd party publishers". The playstation 3 doesn't have that, the "potential" isn't there for a larger game library any moreso than it is with any of the other consoles. And no, blu-ray is absolutely not needed by most developers. Go look up a game called Roboblitz sometime. A little lossless compression goes a long, long way. The only time developers are truly going to eat up a DVD this gen is when they're not using reasonable compression, or are overusing CG. So no, blu-ray has no real potential to deliver gaming experiences that I can't find elsewhere. It remains a $200 addition to the PS3's price for something I can't even use, nor have any interest in. The PS3's "potential" is a lot of hype, and not a lot of substance. There's no truth behind any of it.

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And no, blu-ray is absolutely not needed by most developers.

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I agree. Itīs just lazyness of modern game makers that games take more than 1.44mb of space.




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