We only talk about Fallout

[Monte Carlo]

It came from the bowels of 2006.

 

So, like, from the past?

 

That's spooky.

[CoM_Solaufein]

Necroposting?

[sorophx]

ahaha, Monte, brilliant as always

[Gfted1]

^I dont get it.

[Monte Carlo]

^I dont get it.

 

Sorophx and I are members of a tiny, two-man sect that find me amusing. There's me and him. Don't worry.

[Gfted1]

I totally understand, I find me hilarious also.

[Rostere]

I'm replaying Fallout Tactics right now and the turn based-combat system is very good, just as I remember it.

 

The problem with Fallout is that you control only one character, which in many cases eliminates the thinking. Combat in Fallout is essentially about moving one guy and then waiting for hours for it to become your turn again. You'll always have your plan ready and there are extremely few situations in the game where you'll have to use the time you opponent moves to adapt a new plan.

 

In games which are balanced for more characters such as F:T, you need more time to think because of the more complex situations. In Fallout, unless you are playing for the first time, you'll always have your plan ready. You could compare the combat in the old Fallout games with playing chess with only two pieces.

 

Okay so some of you might argue that there were allies in Fallout, but you couldn't control them directly and either they were either always suicidally running to charge the enemy or shooting you in the back at the first sight of them. Basically, on a tactical level they were only nuisances providing no real tactical depth.

 

Generally I prefer turn-based combat to real-time, however Fallout is the worst example of how to make turn-based combat a chore.

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Isn't VATS pretty much useless in New Vegas? I know I don't use it and just play it like a first person shooter and it's a lot more fun. I could never play it turn-based that's for sure.

[Pidesco]

VATS isn't turn based.

[Nightshape]

Haha

 

I think he'd have laughed

[Majek]

VATS is for when you're clumsy enough to get swarmed or when your computer just stutters and you can't aim properly.

 

And combat in FT had plenty weaknesses, bad almost nonexistent enemy AI, the duck crouch, unbalanced weaponry,... If they had enough time to balance it it might have been as good as or even better than Ja2 combat.

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

VATS isn't turn based.

Well it's still Fallout combat.

 

Just the more... clumsy Bethesda variation.

[Pidesco]

Still, no...

 

It's a system for location based damage that breaks Fallout 3's combat.

[Lexx]

VATS isn't Fallout combat. Not at all. It's funny how many journalists called it turn-based mode, though.