'Restoring Deleted Material'='Changing the Story'

[DarthMethos]

'Restoring Deleted Material' = 'Changing the Story"

Since the story is complete, why restore information that is irrelevant? If the game is incomplete because of bad editing, what do you gain from restoring irrelevant information? Wouldn't that change the story to something that may not reflect the future?

Edited August 15, 2006 by DarthMethos

[Meshugger]

'Restoring Deleted Material' = 'Changing the Story"

Since the story is complete, why restore information that is irrelevant? If the game is incomplete because of bad editing, what do you gain from restoring irrelevant information? Wouldn't that change the story to something that may not reflect the future?

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Don't be silly. It's not the story itself that carries 99% of all games trough. It's how it's told that matters. And that's why there's a restoration mod in the works.

[Knights&Darths]

i always thought of TSLRP as a big nice mod i'd like to see, nothing more. just personally i believe much of the cut content was already meant to be cut before the deadline problem. take the

DiscipleVSAtton/VisasVSHandmaiden cut content, it doesn't make sense, those people are the lost jedi meant to rebuild the order (jedi or sith) if they go all the way slaughtering each other

then things are over before they even begin. take master Vash,

if she told the Exile what she knew about force bonds and how the bond would fade out should Kreia fall to the dark side then what reason in space would have had the Exile to go after Kreia on Malachor V?? she could simply let Kreia suicide in the Trayus Core

and story is over, does it make sense? No (Chewbacca defense )

[DarthMethos]

i always thought of TSLRP as a big nice mod i'd like to see, nothing more. just personally i believe much of the cut content was already meant to be cut before the deadline problem. take the

DiscipleVSAtton/VisasVSHandmaiden cut content, it doesn't make sense, those people are the lost jedi meant to rebuild the order (jedi or sith) if they go all the way slaughtering each other

then things are over before they even begin. take master Vash,

if she told the Exile what she knew about force bonds and how the bond would fade out should Kreia fall to the dark side then what reason in space would have had the Exile to go after Kreia on Malachor V?? she could simply let Kreia suicide in the Trayus Core

and story is over, does it make sense? No (Chewbacca defense )

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The ending did seem weird. <_<

 

After the gamer talks to Kreia, you get the low-down on what happens to the crew. She talks about the fate of your crew in completion. Truthfully, I thought the game was complete, and all it needed were a few tweaks here or there. :">

[Wild Storm]

i always thought of TSLRP as a big nice mod i'd like to see, nothing more. just personally i believe much of the cut content was already meant to be cut before the deadline problem. take the

DiscipleVSAtton/VisasVSHandmaiden cut content, it doesn't make sense, those people are the lost jedi meant to rebuild the order (jedi or sith) if they go all the way slaughtering each other

then things are over before they even begin. take master Vash,

if she told the Exile what she knew about force bonds and how the bond would fade out should Kreia fall to the dark side then what reason in space would have had the Exile to go after Kreia on Malachor V?? she could simply let Kreia suicide in the Trayus Core

and story is over, does it make sense? No (Chewbacca defense )

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The ending did seem weird. <_<

 

After the gamer talks to Kreia, you get the low-down on what happens to the crew. She talks about the fate of your crew in completion. Truthfully, I thought the game was complete, and all it needed were a few tweaks here or there. :">

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Ah, but she threw you a little thing at the beginning, "IF they leave this place...". Plus, the endings were much more interesting then listening to Kreia tell us. Word of suggestion: read the dlg trees and then come back to us. I can almost guarantee a change of opinion.

[DarthMethos]

i always thought of TSLRP as a big nice mod i'd like to see, nothing more. just personally i believe much of the cut content was already meant to be cut before the deadline problem. take the

DiscipleVSAtton/VisasVSHandmaiden cut content, it doesn't make sense, those people are the lost jedi meant to rebuild the order (jedi or sith) if they go all the way slaughtering each other

then things are over before they even begin. take master Vash,

if she told the Exile what she knew about force bonds and how the bond would fade out should Kreia fall to the dark side then what reason in space would have had the Exile to go after Kreia on Malachor V?? she could simply let Kreia suicide in the Trayus Core

and story is over, does it make sense? No (Chewbacca defense )

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The ending did seem weird. <_<

 

After the gamer talks to Kreia, you get the low-down on what happens to the crew. She talks about the fate of your crew in completion. Truthfully, I thought the game was complete, and all it needed were a few tweaks here or there. :">

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Ah, but she threw you a little thing at the beginning, "IF they leave this place...". Plus, the endings were much more interesting then listening to Kreia tell us. Word of suggestion: read the dlg trees and then come back to us. I can almost guarantee a change of opinion.

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I will check out her dialouge tonight.

[Wild Storm]

No, no, no. I don't mean Kreia's. I mean the cut content. Using the KOTOR Tool.

[DarthMethos]

No, no, no. I don't mean Kreia's. I mean the cut content. Using the KOTOR Tool. 

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Cool. Thanks. I think I saw a link to it in the modding thread.

[Darth_Nihlus]

i dont need the fight between atton and disciple or visas and handmaiden to make me happy. i do like the idea of atton fighting sion and losing an arm though. he can get a robo one later...

[Knights&Darths]

Ah, but she threw you a little thing at the beginning, "IF they leave this place...".

only about Handmaiden as i recall, "if SHE leaves this place" means that if the Exile

chooses to preserve Malachor she will remain there and train others there instead of Telos, and Atton is supposed to be on the Ebon Hawk making repairs anyway, otherwise when the ship falls whithout a pilot onboard

[Xard]

Who gives a ****? Current endings sucks, just be happy when Team Gizka is generous enough to restore ORIGINAL and INTENTED ending

[kalimeeri]

Who gives a ****? Current endings sucks, just be happy when Team Gizka is generous enough to restore ORIGINAL and INTENTED ending

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Not that I don't appreciate what TSLRP is doing, or that I'm not excited to see more Kotor... but only Obsidian knows for sure what was 'intended', and they're not talking. It's a plain bald truth that any story goes through extensive revision before completion. As an example, I generally save false starts or cut portions until the bitter end, if they contain useful material that might be reworked and inserted elsewhere. If they're good enough, they could even show up in another work or a sequel.

 

I do believe some of K2's content was cut due to time constraints, but as for how much was time and how much was LA pointing at the Canon book and flexing its muscles, we'll likely never know. In either case, had there been more time, any unused files would probably have been removed. So for that reason (and legal considerations) TSLRP has to be regarded only as a mod, nothing more.

[CrowPusher]

It doesn't have to be cut content in order for something to be missing. All stories have a problem with something missing - some more than others.

 

But then the cut content we restore might bring up other issues that weren't there before, or it might totally refocus the story. That may not be a bad thing.

[Xard]

Once again I have to state this: ****ing K2, messing up with whole Kotor storyline and ruining perfect, complete storyarch with True Siths, ridiculous planet-destroying Nihilus and its uncanon life without force characters like Exile and Nihilus, and forcing non-existant - maybe forever non-existant- K3 to clear everything. Not to forget whole absurd "killing the force" sh*t.

 

Only particularly good thing in K2 was Kreia, one of the best villains ever.

 

Without K2 all would be well <_<

Edited August 16, 2006 by Xard

[kirottu]

Lucasarts OK

Edited August 16, 2006 by kirottu

[DarthMethos]

Not that I don't appreciate what TSLRP is doing, or that I'm not excited to see more Kotor... but only Obsidian knows for sure what was 'intended', and they're not talking. It's a plain bald truth that any story goes through extensive revision before completion. As an example, I generally save false starts or cut portions until the bitter end, if they contain useful material that might be reworked and inserted elsewhere. If they're good enough, they could even show up in another work or a sequel.

 

I do believe some of K2's content was cut due to time constraints, but as for how much was time and how much was LA pointing at the Canon book and flexing its muscles, we'll likely never know. In either case, had there been more time, any unused files would probably have been removed. So for that reason (and legal considerations) TSLRP has to be regarded only as a mod, nothing more.

I agree. You make the same points that I was looking into.

 

Lucasarts OK

Edited August 16, 2006 by DarthMethos

[Knights&Darths]

arguably can we call what generous Team Gizka is working out "original" or "intended", they're stating themselves that some things have to be invented, and though some other things may have been itended to make it to the final game, the arrangements that have been made make it difficult (as i'm sure Team Gizka is aware of) if not impossible for that material to be put back into place and make sense, or result in a more satisfactory less bashable story.

[DarthMethos]

arguably can we call what generous Team Gizka is working out "original" or "intended", they're stating themselves that some things have to be invented, and though some other things  may have been itended to make it to the final game, the arrangements that have been made make it difficult (as i'm sure Team Gizka is aware of) if not impossible for that material to be put back into place and make sense, or result in a more satisfactory less bashable story.

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You really couldn't make that argument either. Since the files were designed by Obsidian, the first draft of the story was designed by LA and Obsidian, they would be considered plagerizing (Stealing someone eles 'original' idea, and repackaging it for their own.).

 

Even though the final draft of the story was changed, they would be considered 'stealing' from someone elses concept'.

 

If they were to take those files and 100% alter them for their own story, they would be coming up with an 'original' idea.

Edited August 16, 2006 by DarthMethos

[Wild Storm]

i dont need the fight between atton and disciple or visas and handmaiden to make me happy.  i do like the idea of atton fighting sion and losing an arm though.  he can get a robo one later...

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Uhhh...Atton getting his arm chopped off is the first thing Sion does to Atton if he looses. Then, he remakes Atton into a spitting image of himself...then, he lets Atton die (in which he does).

If they were to take those files and 100% alter them for their own story, they would be coming up with an 'original' idea.

It's actually quite obvious what was originally intended just by looking at all the files. The only places where it gets scratchy is the Atton/Sion scene. The problem is that what is Atton doing there, when he was previously captured during the assault on Traya and imprisoned?

Edited August 16, 2006 by Wild Storm

[DarthMethos]

If they were to take those files and 100% alter them for their own story, they would be coming up with an 'original' idea.

It's restoration. Taking what little they are given in the files, make hypothothis about them and putting it back in.

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Read the question that I am responding to first. I was answering his question.

 

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I just noticed that you edited your post. Hehehe... You must have reread the conversation. The question was on: Could 'Team-Gizka' declare thier project as their own original work?" The answer is 'no'.

 

Originally, their work is based upon someone's first draft of the story. In true essence, they would be stealing someone's idea if they call it their own.

 

At the end of the whole project, by bringing back someone elses first draft, they will be altering the story that is in place. Eventhough some of it is canon, the pieces were removed for other reasons besides 'time restraints'.

 

From looking around the forums, I am willing to bet that all the 'cut content' that includes: dialouge, characters, and anything else, will all be altered into another draft. Since 'next generation' consoles use a different engine, I bet they will scrap the original idea inorder to create something different for a third. Thus, the player could visit a HK Factory or Droid Planet. If they decide to use their concepts. If they are not found in KotOR III, they were not relevant to the story.

Edited August 16, 2006 by DarthMethos

[Wild Storm]

If they were to take those files and 100% alter them for their own story, they would be coming up with an 'original' idea.

It's restoration. Taking what little they are given in the files, make hypothothis about them and putting it back in.

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Read the question that I am responding to first. I was answering his question.

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And I was answering the basic question of your that it's not restoration.

[DarthMethos]

If they were to take those files and 100% alter them for their own story, they would be coming up with an 'original' idea.

It's restoration. Taking what little they are given in the files, make hypothothis about them and putting it back in.

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Read the question that I am responding to first. I was answering his question.

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And I was answering the basic question of your that it's not restoration.

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They are still following someone elses draft, so it would be considered stealing someone elses idea. Plagurism.

[kirottu]

Lucasarts OK

[DarthMethos]

^^^^

No problem. Everything seems to be bleeding together. Sorry about that.

[kirottu]

If they were to take those files and 100% alter them for their own story, they would be coming up with an 'original' idea.

It's restoration. Taking what little they are given in the files, make hypothothis about them and putting it back in.

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Read the question that I am responding to first. I was answering his question.

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And I was answering the basic question of your that it's not restoration.

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They are still following someone elses draft, so it would be considered stealing someone elses idea. Plagurism.

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No. Plagurims is when it