Cantousent Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Oh, I agree, Colrom. He's bad through and through. He's completely amoral. That's why I said that, underneath the gritty setting, this game brings ugly to a new level. Take from that what you will. ...But this is not a nice game. It's a great game, but it's not a nice game. There's no moment of discovery where you find the gentler side of 47. When he puts a bullet in the head of his mark, that is his gentle side. His hard side? Well, if you can't stomach his gentle side, you simply must not play this game. I don't say that with any rancor or irony. This game is not for everyone. For you, Colrom, whom I know to possess a rather gentle and good spirit, I would not suggest this game. It is both ugly and beautiful. It is the closest thing to a computer game become art in a long time. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
Bokishi Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 I consider him more ruthless than bad, seeing how he'll kill anything as long as he gets paid to do it, and that all of his targets are villians in their own right anyway. Though he'd probably do it if he got paid, I have never seen him undertake a mission to murder an innocent. Current 3DMark
Tigranes Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 So it's okay to kill villains? Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
Cantousent Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 If you play the game to the bitter end, it's not only the villains who get the ax. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
alanschu Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Mr. Clean's ruthlessness really comes out at the end.
Bokishi Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 If you play the game to the bitter end, it's not only the villains who get the ax. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Forgot that one. But yeah that was a ruthless manuver because he wanted zero witnessess. Current 3DMark
Hell Kitty Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 If you play the game to the bitter end, it's not only the villains who get the ax. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That little mission was forced upon him, though, unlike all the others.
alanschu Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 He still had no problems shooting dudes in the face begging for their lives.
Cantousent Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 He also had no qualms about shooting a delivery-man. Think of the moment when the only person who might be considered his friend says she doesn't think she'll live much longer. He says that's too bad and immediately asks if his fee has been transferred. I liked the story. 47 is an intriguing character, but he is completely amoral. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
thepixiesrock Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Eldar is right. He is a moral guy. They don't come any more moral than that. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there.
Bokishi Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 He also had no qualms about shooting a delivery-man. Think of the moment when the only person who might be considered his friend says she doesn't think she'll live much longer. He says that's too bad and immediately asks if his fee has been transferred. I liked the story. 47 is an intriguing character, but he is completely amoral. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's pretty much just a tool that others use to get jobs done for them. He doesn't exhibit many human emotions because he's just a clone who was created to kill. I think of 47 like a robot. Current 3DMark
Fenghuang Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) He also had no qualms about shooting a delivery-man. Think of the moment when the only person who might be considered his friend says she doesn't think she'll live much longer. He says that's too bad and immediately asks if his fee has been transferred. I liked the story. 47 is an intriguing character, but he is completely amoral. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wrote what I wrote in the thread earlier when I'd only played up to Flatline. I disliked him killing the delivery man a lot. It made no sense. In past games he's always gone for the clean kill, been careful with innocent lives, even saving them a few times. Then here we have the poor delivery guy, doesn't know who 47 is, all he knows is he's just delivered a package. And 47 kills him, with a gun no less. Terribly messy way to kill a person if you ask me, and it broke the character they'd established for 47 thus far. So much for the evidence of him developing a conscience in #2. In other news I figured out a way to do A New Life without killing any innocents. Either pistolgrab the poolboy and then knock him out and you have enough sedative for the donuts and the wife, or sedate the clown to gain access to the house take the wife back for a 'joke' and then use the ether on the panties to get the pervy Fed's clothes. I like the first way better because I don't have to put up with a search. Edited July 11, 2006 by Fenghuang RIP
Lucius Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) You could also just sedate the donuts and enter the van for a Fed suit, and use the other sedate for the groggy wife, that's what I did at any rate. My problem was hitting the mark without having to take out his escort. As for the delivery man, I thought 47 suspected he was a spy or some such, couldn't quite grasp that he would wack a non-target as it seems so not like him. Perhaps it was the developers way of implementing the new concept of 'no witnesses' into a cinematic. Edited July 11, 2006 by Lucius DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
alanschu Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 With respect to the deliver guy, I think his actions were more in response to the letter he received. He didn't want to take any chances that maybe the guy had read it or anything like that. His security is paramount!
Fenghuang Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 You could also just sedate the donuts and enter the van for a Fed suit, and use the other sedate for the groggy wife, that's what I did at any rate. My problem was hitting the mark without having to take out his escort. As for the delivery man, I thought 47 suspected he was a spy or some such, couldn't quite grasp that he would wack a non-target as it seems so not like him. Perhaps it was the developers way of implementing the new concept of 'no witnesses' into a cinematic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But the thing is witnesses really don't matter as long as you're just another face. I mean, there's hundreds of witnesses on any given mission in Blood Money, you just have to make sure they never see you doing anything wrong. RIP
Cantousent Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 I just pistol whack the escort into submission. if you grab them with the pistol and then knock them out before they see your face, it doesn't count as a witness. In fact, I did this to at least one person in every mission. BTW: Yay, I managed to get SA in Murder of Crows. Woo Hoo! That and that Mississippi mission were the biggest pains. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
alanschu Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 My SA in Murder of Crows: Followed the bird out of the bar, eventually into an ally with a conveniently located dumpster. I sedated him, and took his suit. Dumped him in the dumpster, and went on my way. Along the way to the hideout, I ducked into an alley with a piano hanging above it. Naturally, Agent 47 thinks "Hmm, if there's a piano conveniently hanging there, I bet a badguy walks under it. I'm lucky in that sense." So I climb up, plant a mine up top, and then proceed to the hideout. Inside the hideout, I go up the stairs, and into the room to drop off the diamonds. On my way out the door, I duck to the side railing. When the guard comes out, he accidentally leans over the railing to far and falls to his death, poor guy. I then return to the room, wait patiently. When the boss walks to the couch, he encounters fiber wire. Dump him in the freezer, take the walkie talkie, and proceed. The woman is much easier. She likes to hide under suspended pianos. Still in my suit, with the diamonds in toe, I walk out into the alley. I can hear her on the walkie-talkie, and she ends up underneath the piano. I hit the detonator, and I definitely get a sounds similar to a B-flat in the commotion. Continuing on, I learn that the baddie is on the second floor of one of the bars. I go into the hotel, sneak past the partying women in one of the rooms, and go on to the balcony. I'm still in my bird suit, and wait patiently for my mark to stick his head out. A quick shot with the silverballer in the head puts him on his butt, before he can even step outside. I return to my suit, pick it up, and walk out the gate.
Lucius Posted July 16, 2006 Posted July 16, 2006 On the wine cellar level, I went on a rampage, and I still managed to not get seen "Police has absolutely no clue of the killers appearance" ... despite the camera man filming me on the entire rampage, I let him live. lol DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
Fenghuang Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 I found the neatest way to do A Dance with the Devil. Entered the glass doors, talked to the guard, followed him back, pistolgrab, knockout, stole his clothes. Went down to the garage, stole the videotape. Went down further, put on the Guest of Heaven costume. Went back up, stuck a mine to the side of the limo over by the door I entered the garage from. Went back down to the door by the elevator shaft. Detonated the mine and all the guards ran up to see what happened. Picked the lock, climed the ladder, dropped into the elevator, went up to the party still carrying my Silverballers and Tactical SMG. Went back to the bathrooms, waited for the CIA Agent, wired him. Stole his clothes, walked back out, waited for a performance. Went back to the singer's room during the performance, got the info off the laptop. Grabbed the Druganov. Went back out, let her seduce me. Walked back. Jabbed her with poison as she was entering the room just after looking over my shoulder to make sure nobody was watching. Dragged her over to the laptop, left her there with her arm pointing at my still open dossier. Went back to the elevator, hit the down button, climed up and entered the other elevator via the connecting shaft. Down to Hell. Walked into the party, avoided the chick and the other assassin. Rigged the Pyro show when nobody was looking. Watched the next time she was out on stage and laffed when she caught fire and fell into the shark tank. Laughed harder when the guests commented on how amazing it was and wondering how they faked the shark attack that well. Went and met the assassin. He took me back to the room and then locked himself behind a door where he was hard to get at. Pansy. Took out my Silverballer (was still holding the Rifle Case so only one) and looked through the scope. Headshot with a silenced low velocity round. Left the Torture Chamber. Went back up the Elevator. Got my suit from the guard room. Ran like hell when everybody started freaking out after seeing a normally dressed dude in the parking garage, got in the van. RIP
Lucius Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 I'm thinking popping angle girl while on stage from the rig (or whatever it is) above with a suitcase sniper would be a fitting end. Right between the eyes. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
Fenghuang Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 And your rating? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Silent Assassin, on Pro. Explosion doesn't count since I didn't hit anyone with it. It was just a distraction to move the guards. RIP
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