Communism

[LoneWolf16]

Yeah, that whole "reality" thing seems to be the biggest obstacle in the way of a truly communist society.

[Baley]

Then please tell us what you think of Lenin? If he is no Dictator why is his body still preserved!

 

Also people back then would rather have lived under Lenin then the Tzar

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Do you actually know what a dictator is?

[julianw]

People need to understand that Karl Marx defined the communism revolution into stages. First, the ruling class must be overthrown and a totalitarian government of socialists put in its place. When the conditions I mentioned before are met, governments will be abolished and everyone lives happily ever after.

 

And in a pure capitalistic society, there would be no taxes or governments, either. As you see, all countries today are neither pure communists nor pure capitalists.

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Then please tell us what you think of Lenin? If he is no Dictator why is his body still preserved!

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The butterflies in my glass box are also communists then.

[213374U]

What? Most basic reason for crime is poverty, not power.

No... the basic reason for crime is law. And beyond that, greed.

 

Law is necessary for society as we know it, and greed seems to be hard-coded in us, so...

[Elven6]

hmm Im a one man army here

 

Baley a dictator is someone who uses force to implement their rules

 

Julian if you recall Lenin modified it to suite the needs of the Russian people, many communist countrys probably followed Lenin's rule.

 

For all you American posters if Communism is pathetic why did it make your presidents shake in their boots

[Lucius]

Ehm, I learned in school that Lenin was a bad man. Is anyone here saying the opposite? :ph34r:

[Meshugger]

Then please tell us what you think of Lenin? If he is no Dictator why is his body still preserved!

 

Also people back then would rather have lived under Lenin then the Tzar

 

If your going to argue at least use examples

 

 

Has for JulianW's point I have to do a bit of research on what you said, what I do know is Swithzernd is a Socialist soceity and the taxes thing works like this

 

If you work at Mc Donalds and earn $2000US a year that means your taxes would probably be $50 (Don't know what formula they use but you get the point)

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I'm not even going to debate that. You're funny.

[Dark Moth]

Then please tell us what you think of Lenin? If he is no Dictator why is his body still preserved!

 

Also people back then would rather have lived under Lenin then the Tzar

 

If your going to argue at least use examples

 

 

Has for JulianW's point I have to do a bit of research on what you said, what I do know is Swithzernd is a Socialist soceity and the taxes thing works like this

 

If you work at Mc Donalds and earn $2000US a year that means your taxes would probably be $50 (Don't know what formula they use but you get the point)

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Lenin? Wow. Granted Lenin he was no Stalin, but he was no benevolent ruler. I'd suggest you read up on the Bolshevik Revolution as well. And in case you need examples, many statues of Lenin have been torn down since him being in power.

 

One of the tenants of Communism is also the abolition of private property and a classless system. In a sense it is forced equality, and by no means free. Definitely not a prerequisite to democracy. As for your last example, in a truly communist state, if the community saw fit, you may only see $50 of that $2000.

Edited March 16, 2006 by Mothman

[Blarghagh]

My opinion?

 

Communism doesn't work, capitalism doesn't work either.

 

Why?

 

People are bastards.

 

And that's really all I have to say on the matter.

[Elven6]

In other words your out of ideas HA

 

I said I wasen't sure which country it was but their was one that did this,

 

 

Mothman you realize Wikipedia can be edited by anyone right

 

Do you think George Washington didn't encounter resistance when he fought the British?

 

When things change people don't agree with it which causes rebellions

Edited March 16, 2006 by Elven6

[julianw]

Julian if you recall Lenin modified it to suite the needs of the Russian people, many communist countrys probably followed Lenin's rule.

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Oh yeah. I remember learning about that as well as how Mao modified Marx's theories to suit the situation in China where the the population is consisted of mainly peasants. However, both Lenin and Mao's final goal is the same as Marx's: to provide a utopia for their people at all cost. Both made some strides but ultimately failed because as I stated before pure communism could not be achieved.

Edited March 16, 2006 by julianw

[Pidesco]

Elven6 needs to go read the Capital and the Communist Manifesto. Also, I's like to remind you that Marxism-Leninism and Marxism are 2 different things.

 

Then please tell us what you think of Lenin? If he is no Dictator why is his body still preserved!

 

The butterflies in my glass box are also communists then.

 

 

[kirottu]

What? Most basic reason for crime is poverty, not power.

No... the basic reason for crime is law. And beyond that, greed.

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Well, yeah.

[kirottu]

I bet $10 that Fionavar is going to close this thread.

[Meshugger]

Tell me something Elven6, was Lenin true to the communist idea when he,

 

- Established a Secret Police

- Established Labour camps

- Executed people in the opposition

- Agreed that executing the Czar family was a swell idea

[Elven6]

Elven6 needs to go read the Capital and the Communist Manifesto. Also, I's like to remind you that Marxism-Leninism and Marxism are 2 different things.

 

Then please tell us what you think of Lenin? If he is no Dictator why is his body still preserved!

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The butterflies in my glass box are also communists then.

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I never said they were the same did I

 

Also under Lenin many people who were poor propspered, they had food to eat and money to spend, under the Tzar what did the poeple have? Besides he was leader for 7 years and then he died, he coulden't build a utophia and everyone has diffrent mind. For instance Lenin worked on prospering and Stalin worked on strength

[Meshugger]

Elven6 needs to go read the Capital and the Communist Manifesto. Also, I's like to remind you that Marxism-Leninism and Marxism are 2 different things.

 

Then please tell us what you think of Lenin? If he is no Dictator why is his body still preserved!

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The butterflies in my glass box are also communists then.

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I never said they were the same did I

 

Also under Lenin many people who were poor propspered, they had food to eat and money to spend, under the Tzar what did the poeple have? Besides he was leader for 7 years and then he died, he coulden't build a utophia and everyone has diffrent mind. For instance Lenin worked on prospering and Stalin worked on strength

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Lenin let 3 000 000 people starve to death. Was that communistic?

[Dark Moth]

Mothman you realize Wikipedia can be edited by anyone right

 

Do you think George Washington didn't encounter resistance when he fought the British?

 

When things change people don't agree with it which causes rebellions

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If it's good enough for meta, it's good enough for me.

 

Anyway, did you have a point anywhere else in that post?

[kirottu]

Also under Lenin many people who were poor propspered, they had food to eat and money to spend, under the Tzar what did the poeple have?

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They had the very same. Food to eat and money to spend.

 

Have like read history or something?

[Elven6]

Links?

 

The point is many people who were dying were Loyal to the Tzar, these people were part of the White army

[Dark Moth]

Also under Lenin many people who were poor propspered, they had food to eat and money to spend, under the Tzar what did the poeple have?

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They had the very same. Food to eat and money to spend.

 

Have like read history or something?

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I think he has. He just may want to try not using old history textbooks from the U.S.S.R.

[Meshugger]

Links?

 

The point is many people who were dying were Loyal to the Tzar, these people were part of the White army

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So genocide is acceptable mean in order achieve a communistic utopia?

[Elven6]

Hey I could if I wanted, just need to go to India they had a cultural exchange during their Alliance I mean their are a lot of people who speak Hindi in the former republics.

 

Also if you know how to read a book you would notice people thought the new Tzar could help them but he kept the wealth for himself and let his people starve.

 

 

I didn't say Genocide was neceassry, I am saying many of the people who die are revolutinarys which means they fight in a battlle were they can die.

 

In lamens terms

 

Change= disapointment= rebellion= fighting= death for many

Edited March 16, 2006 by Elven6

[Dark Moth]

Hey I could if I wanted, just need to go to India they had a cultural exchange during their Alliance I mean their are a lot of people who speak Hindi in the former republics.

 

Also if you know how to read a book you would notice people thought the new Tzar could help them but he kept the wealth for himself and let his people starve.

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Yeah, so that makes Lenin a peaceful, benevolent leader despite all the deaths he caused in his own rise to power? Maybe you never heard of the time in 1918 when a circus clown in Moscow was making fun of the Bolsheviks, and Chekists (secret police set up by Lenin) in the crowd pulled out their guns and shot several laughing people. Yeah, Lenin was a great guy.

Edited March 16, 2006 by Mothman