Ellester Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 linky Interesting, Jacques Chirac and France are now sharing the same views as the US concerning global affairs... Life is like a clam. Years of filtering crap then some bastard cracks you open and scrapes you into its damned mouth, end of story. - Steven Erikson
metadigital Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 Looks like this is the reason: Chirac was a close friend of the murdered Lebanese prime minister, Rafik Hariri ...Chirac understands that posturing over Iraq has not protected France from Islamofascism. Militant Islamist preachers are active among the nation's 5 million Muslim citizens, many of whom willingly believe that all their problems will get better if they follow Sharia and reject French secularism. ... Reality is a harsh tutor. It is, unfortuantely, inevitable that the class of supremacy of sacred and secular law will directly effect all free societies. But Chirac has gone further. In a little-noticed speech on French nuclear doctrine earlier this year, he announced that France's nuclear-weapons capability should be reckoned with by states tempted to sponsor terrorism on French soil. Although wrapped up in Gaullist tropes, this amounts to something akin to a pre-emptive-strike doctrine for Europe, not far removed from the U.S. policy that caused such a flap after 9/11. Belated or not, it echoes Washington's determination to tell terrorists and their state sponsors that there are lines not to be crossed. Cute. Not that this is ANY different from historical fact, regardless of the spin. Nations always act in their interests, only the stupid/arrogant ones declare war first, however (Hitler). OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Moose Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 Don't see why this is shocking. Historically France has always been the U.S's strongest ally. There are none that are right, only strong of opinion. There are none that are wrong, only ignorant of facts
kumquatq3 Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 ^ Well, if you count the revolution, sure. Modern times, that easily goes to the Brits or Canada.
astr0creep Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 ^ Well, if you count the revolution, sure. Modern times, that easily goes to the Brits or Canada. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Canada is not so much of an ally as it is, well, another State... http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/
kumquatq3 Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 ^ Well, if you count the revolution, sure. Modern times, that easily goes to the Brits or Canada. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Canada is not so much of an ally as it is, well, another State... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Funny thing is, you wouldn't even be the biggest state, population wise.
SteveThaiBinh Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 France did its best to dissuade the US from making its biggest foreign policy mistake since Viet Nam, a mistake that has led to disaster and significant loss of life. They were better friends to the US than Tony 'Poodle' Blair. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov)
astr0creep Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 ^ Well, if you count the revolution, sure. Modern times, that easily goes to the Brits or Canada. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Canada is not so much of an ally as it is, well, another State... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Funny thing is, you wouldn't even be the biggest state, population wise. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Size doesn't matter. Only the alcohol % in beer matters. And hockey. http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/
kumquatq3 Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 Size doesn't matter. Only the alcohol % in beer matters. And hockey. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1. Sam Adams has the worlds strongest beer (% alcohol) 2. If hockey matters, then we're both in a bit of a bind.
taks Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 1. Sam Adams has the worlds strongest beer (% alcohol) ? are you sure... i've had a swiss beer that was 17% alcohol. this must be a new beer... the swiss stuff tasted like chocolate, btw. taks comrade taks... just because.
metadigital Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 Chocolate beer? Those sneaky Swiss! OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Dark Moth Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 Screw France. They're useless. All they know how to do in foreign policy is say "I surrender!" in German and "Help me!" in English. j/k
metadigital Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 I'm still wondering how the President of the United States started quoting a Simpson's character ... OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Ellester Posted March 7, 2006 Author Posted March 7, 2006 Don't see why this is shocking. Historically France has always been the U.S's strongest ally. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well after France pretty much spearheaded Europe against the US when the US invaded Iraq, and wanted to start an anti-American coalition, it seems like a 360-degree turnaround to me. It especially hurt when I heard about the French defaming, urinating, and whatever to our military cemeteries in France from the world wars. Last thing in the world I thought of was an ally; what I felt was hatred toward France. Life is like a clam. Years of filtering crap then some bastard cracks you open and scrapes you into its damned mouth, end of story. - Steven Erikson
Ellester Posted March 7, 2006 Author Posted March 7, 2006 I'm still wondering how the President of the United States started quoting a Simpson's character ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you honestly surprised? Didn Life is like a clam. Years of filtering crap then some bastard cracks you open and scrapes you into its damned mouth, end of story. - Steven Erikson
thepixiesrock Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 Screw France. They're useless. All they know how to do in foreign policy is say "I surrender!" in German and "Help me!" in English. j/k <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats getting a bit tired. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there.
Dark Moth Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 What do you call 100,000 men with their hands up? The French army! For sale: French rifle. Never used, dropped once. HA! It never gets old! It never gets old!
Moose Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 *tumble weed* There are none that are right, only strong of opinion. There are none that are wrong, only ignorant of facts
Dark Moth Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 (edited) Why are the cannons on French tanks able to pivot 180 degrees? So they can see behind them while they're retreating! Yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk... Edited March 7, 2006 by Mothman
alanschu Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 Don't see why this is shocking. Historically France has always been the U.S's strongest ally. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well after France pretty much spearheaded Europe against the US when the US invaded Iraq, and wanted to start an anti-American coalition, it seems like a 360-degree turnaround to me. It especially hurt when I heard about the French defaming, urinating, and whatever to our military cemeteries in France from the world wars. Last thing in the world I thought of was an ally; what I felt was hatred toward France. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Shouldn't that be a 180 degree turnaround?
kumquatq3 Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 I'm still wondering how the President of the United States started quoting a Simpson's character ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you honestly surprised? Didn
kumquatq3 Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 (edited) 1. Sam Adams has the worlds strongest beer (% alcohol) ? are you sure... i've had a swiss beer that was 17% alcohol. this must be a new beer... the swiss stuff tasted like chocolate, btw. taks <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sam Adams: 25.6% (strongest commercial beer) Yep, good old American inginuity. It prolly tastes like ass, but it'll get ya drunk!: http://www.samueladams.com/world_of_beer.aspx ^see "extreme beers" (they have a chocolate one too) Edited March 7, 2006 by kumquatq3
Dark_Raven Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 OK lets steer this back on topic. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
metadigital Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 I'm still wondering how the President of the United States started quoting a Simpson's character ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you honestly surprised? Didn OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
HaPhApAbLaP Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 (edited) I don't know if its the accent. Bush always seemed to me to be one of them types that can talk for hours without saying a single thing. oh dang! back on topic huh? ok - GO! Edited March 8, 2006 by HaPhApAbLaP
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