Well my intrest in NWN2 just tripled =)

[Darque]

"I'm sorry familiars are gimped in NWN2, but as a Warlock I won't need one..."

 

I'm about to make an oath to kill all warlocks I see in MP in the faint hope a little piece of you dies with them.

 

R00fles! :D

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[Judge Hades]

Probably. The pennisula prison was particularly nasty in this regard.

[Judge Hades]

Yes, I know. But since the script language in NWN 2 is going to be backwards compatible to NWN 1 it shouldn't take too much effort to convert it over if any actual work needs to be done.

[Gabrielle]

Warlocks? They're traitorous witches.

[Judge Hades]

Who did they betray?

[Kaftan Barlast]

Familiars are useless. Their only function seems to consist of dying horribly when their owner is hit by an area spell.

[Judge Hades]

That is what evasion is for. They get it for free you know.

[Gabrielle]

Who did they betray? 

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To Wiccans they are an oath breaker who betrayed their coven.

 

Strange to have a class like this in a game.

[Gabrielle]

Familiars are useless. Their only function seems to consist of dying horribly when their owner is hit by an area spell.

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Well at least they died in their masters service.

[Judge Hades]

Oh, okay. Don't know much about Wiccan folklore and religion. Didn't take that class while at the Uni.

 

Darque: They died while servicing their masters, wha?

Edited January 18, 2006 by Judge Hades

[Volourn]

"That is what evasion is for. They get it for free you know."

 

In fact, they have improved invasion. I wish people knew what they were discussing before discussing it. Though, in NWN, most familiars don't have (improved) invasion yet people have the gall to claim that they're soooo overpowered comapred to their pnp counterparts.

 

Heck, a familiar can survive a red dragon breathing on them.

 

R00fles!

[Dark_Raven]

Heck, a familiar can survive a red dragon breathing on them.

 

R00fles!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Interesting. Surely you jest.

[Volourn]

No.

[GhostofAnakin]

Off topic, but holy crap do you play NWN a lot Volo.

[Dyan]

To the original topic - I'm not so sure about the Warlock being implimented as a *good* thing. It makes me sceptical. Then again, I've never been fond of warlocks *or* psionics.

 

A question though... will it be possible to impliment your own classes into NWN2 via the toolset? I know that it could cause a lot of imbalance, but it would still be a useful tool. Or is everything hardcoded?

[Darque]

Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're a bad thing (w00t)

 

I don't like Barbarians, Paladins, Monks, Clerics or Rangers... but I don't see them being added as a bad thing. "

Edited January 18, 2006 by Darque

[Dark_Raven]

Off topic, but holy crap do you play NWN a lot Volo.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

He is most assuredly a dedicated player. When I first bought Baldur

[Llyranor]

Warlocks remind me a lot of Shifters, trading in absolute power for more versatility and endurance - thus limiting need to constantly rest. I like.

[Weiser_Cain]

They picked the easiest class to implement in an effort to dumb down the game for people better off buying and unreal game.

[alanschu]

That almost makes sense.

[Llyranor]

No, that was when they made the game real-time instead of turn-based LOL

 

ROFLTUNASANDWICH

[Dark_Raven]

No.

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A red dragon is not weak. It would seem that the game is flawed ithen if a familiar can survive.

[Darque]

Not if it was immune to fire somehow.

[Deraldin]

No.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A red dragon is not weak. It would seem that the game is flawed ithen if a familiar can survive.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Well he didn't say what age group the dragon belonged to... " But let's take a look shall we?

 

Max damage for a red dragon would be at great wyrm stage. A Great Wyrm Red Dragon has a 24d10 breath weapon. Maximum damage with that breath weapon is 240, however it allows a reflex save for half damage. Since Familiars have Improved Evasion they only take half damage even if they fail their save for a maximum total damage from the breath weapon of 120 points.

 

Now if we also take maximum HP for the mage at level 20 (to give the familiar the best possible chance to survive the hit) we have 80HP for the master and half that, or 40HP, for the familiar.

 

Discounting any con bonuses that the wizard has the familiar has a 1 in 3 chance of surviving the hit from the dragon (120 damage/40HP=3) providing that it fails the saving throw to negate all damage. Of course any con bonuses from the wizard will only increase the chance that the familiar survives.

 

+1 Con bonus: 120 damage/50HP = 41.67%

+2 Con bonus: 120 damage/60HP = 50.00%

+3 Con bonus: 120 damage/70HP = 58.82%

+4 Con bonus: 120 damage/80HP = 66.67%

and so on and so forth...

 

I really don't want to go into it's overall chance by factoring in the chance that the familiar will make the reflex save, because I've just spent the last 5 hours working on a math data management project dealing with statistics and frankly I'm sick of them now. <_<

[alanschu]

Errr...is your math sound?

 

Why would you take max damage and divide it by the total HP?

 

 

I mean, if Max damage = min damage = 120, then the only chance it has for survival if its HP is less than or equal to 120 is if the evasion roll succeeds.

 

You'd need to do a whole schlock of work, determining the probabilities of each damage time and all that for yours to work. I mean, a guy with 1 HP and a Reflex save of +23432 is probably going to survive more often than not.

 

 

Though you did comment that you didn't want to calculate the reflex save.

 

Even then, if it takes 120 damage and has no reflex save...then how does it surivive 1/3 of the time if it has 40 HP?

Edited January 18, 2006 by alanschu