Visas vs. Bastila

[Blank]

Visas for sure. Bastila will win... which disappoints me, but not really.

 

Visas' character was gentler and more resolved than Bastila's. She was more introverted than Bastila too, and i like that. She also truly loved the exile whereas Bastila has to be coaxed into it and then she still goes darkside (shows her weak personality. if she was a real jedi she could take a force-created cyanide pill or something like that and kill herself before Malak got to torturing her). It did frustrate me that the romance could have been more complete with Visas, but at the same time, the romance with Bastila was cheesy at parts, somebody around this site has a sig with a parody that made fun of that.

 

I also think Visas would win in a fight because i just like her better, oh, but objectively? um... i can't tell. She is programmed to be a two-bladed/blades wielder and so is Bastila. Both are sentinels, but we all know that sentinels in K2 are the best class out of both games. in K1 LS you have a fight with DS Bastila at the end of the game that is fairly difficult, but you can't compare that to Visas' fight because she was tortured and weakened or whatever by Nihilus.

 

I liked Visas before i found out her voice-actor was Kelly Hu, now i like her more (i know its a video game guys, shut up and look what website you are on). The eye thing? i don't know, she is pretty good looking other than the fact that you can't see half her face, and bastila is all around good looking. In the looks department, they are about the same i guess, but i revert to the character and voice-actor, so i like Visas better.

[Gabrielle]

Visas was more servitude toward the Exile. She is the classic "weak" woman.

 

Bastila is a strong female who gives out her opinion and isn't afraid to throw her attitude around.

[dufflover]

The whole game to win Bastila over is very gratifying and romantic (kinda like a happy Episode 2)...

[Vashanti]

Visas was more servitude toward the Exile.  She is the classic "weak" woman.

 

Hah! Try getting her to dance for Vogga the Hutt. She's not weak then!

She's got guts, but those years of "serve or die" have left their mark on her tortured delicate lovely mind. She needs wub.

[DeathScepter]

I take both fo them

[Kalfear]

Visas

Handmaiden

Mira

THEN Bastilla

 

LOL, still dont understand the fanism of Bastilla!

 

She was good but theose 3 were far far far better in every catagory!

[Blank]

Visas was more servitude toward the Exile.  She is the classic "weak" woman.

 

Bastila is a strong female who gives out her opinion and isn't afraid to throw her attitude around.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hah! Try getting her to dance for Vogga the Hutt. She's not weak then! 

She's got guts, but those years of "serve or die" have left their mark on her tortured delicate lovely mind. She needs wub.

Like Vashanti said, Visas is a woman undone. Her planet and all she cared about was destroyed and she is a forced apprentice/slave to Nihilus. She had no reason left to live and went to find the exile, but because the exile spares her after the battle, and because she sees the exile as a reason to live, then it makes sense that she is always in servitude and ends up loving him.

[Sikon]

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[Kalfear]

Visas was more servitude toward the Exile.  She is the classic "weak" woman.

 

Bastila is a strong female who gives out her opinion and isn't afraid to throw her attitude around.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hah! Try getting her to dance for Vogga the Hutt. She's not weak then! 

She's got guts, but those years of "serve or die" have left their mark on her tortured delicate lovely mind. She needs wub.

Like Vashanti said, Visas is a woman undone. Her planet and all she cared about was destroyed and she is a forced apprentice/slave to Nihilus. She had no reason left to live and went to find the exile, but because the exile spares her after the battle, and because she sees the exile as a reason to live, then it makes sense that she is always in servitude and ends up loving him.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Well said Blank and Vashanti

 

I never EVER thought of Visas as weak btw. Shes protecting the Exile. She says from the get go that her master and the Exile will meet and its her job to make sure HEs (gender neutrality is stupid, you dont call a cat a dog after all) ready and can win when that time comes.

 

Bastila on other hand was just pushy, egotitical, and obnoxious for 1/2 of K1 and then became TOTALLY the stereotype of weak willed and subservant in the last half.

 

Lets see the comparison.

 

Ego:

Bastila thinks she is the savior of the republic

Visas really doesnt have a ego

 

Reaction to adversity

 

Visas homeworld destroyed, shes enslaved and over YEARS slowly being broken until she becomes subservant to Nimbus.

 

When Visas does eventually face Nimbus, she either stands up to him or makes the ultimate sacrafice (herself) to save the one she loves.

 

Bastila blames everything on her mother and then seriously conciders with holding the last remaining effect of her father from her EVEN after learning the truth! (IE: Bitter and whinny brat that desperately needs a spanking).

 

When Bastila eventually faces Malak, shes broken in record time and then is turned against her new master in even shorter time proving once and for all she has no will of her own and no spine! She just goes with who ever she thinks will win.

 

Obnoxious:

 

See pretty much any early quote by Bastila

Visas has no obnoxiousness in her personality

 

Relationship:

 

When the attraction becomes appearent, Bastila runs and hides from her feelings

 

Visas on other hand makes no excuses and stands by her convictions and goes after what she wants, and doesnt run away when she gets it!

 

So in the end, Visas stands by her man not as a slave but as his protector, willing to sacrafice everything she is for that love

 

Bastila jumps sides at a heart beat based on who she thinks will win, loyal ties and relations be damned!

 

Personally, I think Visas a far better female role model then some spoiled, mouthy child.

Edited December 1, 2005 by Kalfear

[foxdez]

Visas was more servitude toward the Exile.  She is the classic "weak" woman.

 

Bastila is a strong female who gives out her opinion and isn't afraid to throw her attitude around.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hah! Try getting her to dance for Vogga the Hutt. She's not weak then! 

She's got guts, but those years of "serve or die" have left their mark on her tortured delicate lovely mind. She needs wub.

Like Vashanti said, Visas is a woman undone. Her planet and all she cared about was destroyed and she is a forced apprentice/slave to Nihilus. She had no reason left to live and went to find the exile, but because the exile spares her after the battle, and because she sees the exile as a reason to live, then it makes sense that she is always in servitude and ends up loving him.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Well said Blank and Vashanti

 

I never EVER thought of Visas as weak btw. Shes protecting the Exile. She says from the get go that her master and the Exile will meet and its her job to make sure HEs (gender neutrality is stupid, you dont call a cat a dog after all) ready and can win when that time comes.

 

Bastila on other hand was just pushy, egotitical, and obnoxious for 1/2 of K1 and then became TOTALLY the stereotype of weak willed and subservant in the last half.

 

Lets see the comparison.

 

Ego:

Bastila thinks she is the savior of the republic

Visas really doesnt have a ego

 

Reaction to adversity

 

Visas homeworld destroyed, shes enslaved and over YEARS slowly being broken until she becomes subservant to Nimbus.

 

When Visas does eventually face Nimbus, she either stands up to him or makes the ultimate sacrafice (herself) to save the one she loves.

 

Bastila blames everything on her mother and then seriously conciders with holding the last remaining effect of her father from her EVEN after learning the truth! (IE: Bitter and whinny brat that desperately needs a spanking).

 

When Bastila eventually faces Malak, shes broken in record time and then is turned against her new master in even shorter time proving once and for all she has no will of her own and no spine! She just goes with who ever she thinks will win.

 

Obnoxious:

 

See pretty much any early quote by Bastila

Visas has no obnoxiousness in her personality

 

Relationship:

 

When the attraction becomes appearent, Bastila runs and hides from her feelings

 

Visas on other hand makes no excuses and stands by her convictions and goes after what she wants, and doesnt run away when she gets it!

 

So in the end, Visas stands by her man not as a slave but as his protector, willing to sacrafice everything she is for that love

 

Bastila jumps sides at a heart beat based on who she thinks will win, loyal ties and relations be damned!

 

Personally, I think Visas a far better female role model then some spoiled, mouthy child.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

We don't know how long it exactly took for Visas to fall to the darkside. I will admit that Bastila did fall rather easily but look at her circumstances: her dad's death, destruction of the dantooine(spl?), and Malak. Malak is pretty persuading given the fact that he was the one who enlisted the Exile. Another thing that's bothering me is your viewpoint of Bastila's feelings. What do jedi teach from a young age? To suppress their feelings. Bastila was acting like any jedi should and that would be to suppress her feelings like any other time but this time it was different. It was love and she just didn't know how to suppress it. I guess it is another indication why love leads to the darkside(anakin ). Visas was a sith and was trained differently. Bastila was a way more complex character. You can see her evolve in the game from a "by the book" jedi, to a emotional wreck, and eventually a person who understands herself better. In the end, I felt more gratification from the Bastila romance then the Visas. I know Visas romance was incomplete c'mon like we don't know what would happen next?

[Kalfear]

We don't know how long it exactly took for Visas to fall to the darkside.

 

True enough, but if you remember in the med bay after you defeat Visas, her body shows signs of long abuse and scaring so that does suggest her turning took more then a couple days, least it does to me. Course Nimbus was 100000 times more brutal as a master and sith lord then Malak was so could have been caused after she was turned to remind her.

 

I will admit that Bastila did fall rather easily but look at her circumstances: her dad's death, destruction of the dantooine(spl?), and Malak.

 

hmmm, some how none of that compares to the destruction of ones homeworld and ALL relatives in my book. I could understand Visas being turned, but the death of Bastila's father came from his own doing, not Malak's, Destruction of Dantooine sure, but they were at war. It wasnt as if Malak didnt know about the enclave there. It was an obvious tactic to be used.

 

Her circumstances were, the side she was on was losing so she changed sides in a heart beat once the oppertunity presented itself. Even on the Star Forge if you want to argue she hated Malak even while on his side, she could easily have been his undoing while alone and doing battle meditation (at the cost of her life) instead she didnt change back until it was obvious Revan was going to face and defeat Malak, once again hopping to the winning side when the opertunity presented itself.

 

Malak is pretty persuading given the fact that he was the one who enlisted the Exile. Another thing that's bothering me is your viewpoint of Bastila's feelings. What do jedi teach from a young age? To suppress their feelings. Bastila was acting like any jedi should and that would be to suppress her feelings like any other time but this time it was different. It was love and she just didn't know how to suppress it. I guess it is another indication why love leads to the darkside(anakin ).

 

True Fox, but we all learn how devoted Bastila really is to those Jedi teachings later on in the story dont we

 

Should also say, think back to when you RESCUE Bastila from the swoop gangs, her reaction to that was clear indication that this was a flawed Jedi from the start and one not strictly following the jedi code.

 

Lastly (on relations) when Bastila does finally accept (and not run away) her emotions (on Star Forge) she tells you she has decired you for long before this started, once again showing shes not 100% Jedi Code follower for a real jedi would think it once or twice and over come those feelings. Course the whole "thou shall not love" thing the Jedi have going has always seemed stupid to me to be honest.

 

I dont think Malak "Convinced or pursuaded" the Exile to goto war, I think the Exile choose to go because he could no longer stand by while worlds suffered at the hands of the Mandalorians. After all, the Exile refused to follow Revan or Malak once that threat was removed.

 

So Malaks ability to pursuade (which you drastically over stated, Malak was brute force, not leadership and thinking ability, Revan was the thinker) really doesnt play into it, Exile just did what he felt was right.

 

Id go so far as to say, Darth Vader was more a thinker and more likely to pursuade someone with out using force then Malak ever was.

 

Visas was a sith and was trained differently. Bastila was a way more complex character. You can see her evolve in the game from a "by the book" jedi, to a emotional wreck, and eventually a person who understands herself better. In the end, I felt more gratification from the Bastila romance then the Visas. I know Visas romance was incomplete c'mon like we don't know what would happen next?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Was Visas a sith though? Now its you jumping to conclusions

 

At no time is any sith activity ever associated to Visas, she was how ever a Sith Lords slave.

 

When the chance (the Exile) presented itself, she didnt try to kill her master and take his role as the sith teachings say. In fact she offers her life so the Exile can win (very unsithlike).

 

I do think she misunderstood the "wound" or "echo" in the force for Love at the start of the game though. But in her defence, after being a slave to something as brutal as Nimbus for so long and then spared and healed and taken care of, you could understand her misunderstanding of the subject. Over time the real connection started to grow until finally the force shareing (which was a tasteful way of having the act of sex in game) happened. (IE: Ob sidian rushed her story to much in how fast you could get it all, they should have slowed down and let many of her lines appear after some time spent with the Exile).

 

LOL, and what happens next? Frankly it all depends on who you talk to.

 

some say Ebon hawk and crew died (I hate that one)

some say Exile would hook up with Visas

Some say Exile would hook up with Handmaiden

Some say Exile would hook up with both (my fav! LOL)

And even others say Exile goes back into Exile now he understands his powers are from the powers of others draining them (like Nimbus but on a person to person level rather then planet wide level).

 

Future is hardly clear from what I saw

 

PS: I felt more gratification from Handmaiden then Visas or Bastila when she told me her real name! That one scene was hands down the best of any of them as it protrayed more trust and real emotion then any kiss, force sharing, or just saying "I love you" could as the back story explained so well WHY it was so important a sacrafice on Handmaidens part.

 

Second though was definately the force sharing. Altho Im always in favor of more adult content in game (not porn but adult graphics or speach that fit adult situations if that makes any sence) I was glad Obsidian did it that way as it had more aura or feeling to it.

 

Bastila's 2 romance sceens were well done as well (dont mistake thinking I hated them) but lacked presence when compared to the other two.

Edited December 2, 2005 by Kalfear

[Blank]

Another thing that's bothering me is your viewpoint of Bastila's feelings. What do jedi teach from a young age? To suppress their feelings. Bastila was acting like any jedi should and that would be to suppress her feelings like any other time but this time it was different. It was love and she just didn't know how to suppress it. I guess it is another indication why love leads to the darkside(anakin ).

Foxdez, that is exactly the point. Only lame jedi like Bastila and Anakin will fall to the darkside because of love. All the other pimp LS/grey Jedi like Exile, Revan, and Jolee have no problem with love and are actually motivated by it. You have to be a real loser to love somebody and then kill them (anakin) or try to kill them and fail (bastila)

 

The thing about Visas is, her personality reveals no real cruelty or hate as one would expect from a sith. Even though she claims to be a sith, at heart, it doesn't seem that way. even when you go darkside, she doesn't display debauchery or a survival of the fittest sith attitude.

 

Basically everyone replying here but you thinks Visas is better.

 

And about love. Why else would one do charitable acts for others? there is no reason to, it would make no sense unless you were to gain something for yourself, and that is rarely the case during one's lifetime. Without love you just have selfishness and/or hate.

 

Kalfear, i liked that scene with the handmaiden too. i agree with your rating of which scenes were better in the order you did.

Edited December 2, 2005 by Blank

[Kalfear]

Another thing that's bothering me is your viewpoint of Bastila's feelings. What do jedi teach from a young age? To suppress their feelings. Bastila was acting like any jedi should and that would be to suppress her feelings like any other time but this time it was different. It was love and she just didn't know how to suppress it. I guess it is another indication why love leads to the darkside(anakin ).

Foxdez, that is exactly the point. Only lame jedi like Bastila and Anakin will fall to the darkside because of love. All the other pimp LS/grey Jedi like Exile, Revan, and Jolee have no problem with love and are actually motivated by it. You have to be a real loser to love somebody and then kill them (anakin) or try to kill them and fail (bastila)

 

The thing about Visas is, her personality reveals no real cruelty or hate as one would expect from a sith. Even though she claims to be a sith, at heart, it doesn't seem that way. even when you go darkside, she doesn't display debauchery or a survival of the fittest sith attitude.

 

Basically everyone replying here but you thinks Visas is better.

 

And about love. Why else would one do charitable acts for others? there is no reason to, it would make no sense unless you were to gain something for yourself, and that is rarely the case during one's lifetime. Without love you just have selfishness and/or hate.

 

Kalfear, i liked that scene with the handmaiden too. i agree with your rating of which scenes were better in the order you did.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

LOL (just to expand on Blanks statement), should also point out, Anakin didnt fall to the darkside because of love, he wanted the power to save her, not hurt her, anouther key difference between Anakin and Bastila, (which was a darkside power, which is funny as its a universal power in K2) sure. But it was politics and religion, not love that eventually pushed him over the edge.

 

He turned to SAVE (in his eyes) the republic, or more specifically, what he thought a better form of governing that helps the people overall. After that he became Darth Vader and evil but up to the actual turn, he thought he was helping, not hurting.

 

Basically he became what we commonly refer to as Fanatics (be it religion or politics). The love part was really only a side story in the whole picture and didnt actually cause any real issues until he forsaw Padama's death in childbirth, so he fought to save her.

 

Also remember, he didnt hurt Padama (in action or words) until after he had turned, commited terrible acts of death and violence, AND thought she had betrayed him. He was already twisted by the time he actually hurt her. Not to mention Anakins fall took careful planning and dubious pushes to achieve by Palpatine. It also wasnt an over night thing, and there was ALOT more at stake then Anakins own survival involved.

 

Bastila cant hold on to any of those reasons, she DIDNT turn to make the world a better place (even using flawed logic like Anakin was), and she DIDNT turn back to the lightside because she realized what she was doing was wrong. The wellfare of the people never entered the equation, she had no great love for the people at any time. Only HER own personal desires, goals, and will to survive at any cost or alligence. Hell, im pretty sure if the Mandalorians had won the war she would have been a dutiful mandalorian wife/slave. Her loyalties layed with who was winning and would keep her alive. Everything else, her family, teachers, friends, and general population came well behind her first and formost priority, survive at any cost regardless of what type of survival it is.

 

LOL, dig even further into that mind set. Her passive capture by the Vulkars just proves the point. She thought she was alone on Taris so rather then try to escape (which she stated she could have done anytime at all) she accepted the role of captive and slave UNTIL Revan showed up and she realized she wasnt alone. Only then did she fight back against her captures. Again seeing you were going to win so she CHOSE the winning side.

 

Think about it, if she cared what so ever for the jedi order and truely believed Revan and Carth died on the ship (as she thought) would it not have been in the Jedi's best interest to be notified of this? Yet she ignored that fact and just accepted the role of Captive and slave until someone stronger then her captives came along! Jedi best interest didnt enter the equation, only her self survival did.

 

LOL, I dont understand where Bastila gets this huge fan base from, I really dont, she was a flawed jedi from the start. Hell she was a flawed person from the start! Only things she truely had going for her was she was drawn VERY well and had a great voice added to her! If you read about her in a book (having never played K1) she would come off as a less then likeable (or memorable) character.

[Blank]

Bastila cant hold on to any of those reasons, she DIDNT turn to make the world a better place (even using flawed logic like Anakin was), and she DIDNT turn back to the lightside because she realized what she was doing was wrong. The wellfare of the people never entered the equation, she had no great love for the people at any time. Only HER own personal desires, goals, and will to survive at any cost or alligence. Hell, im pretty sure if the Mandalorians had won the war she would have been a dutiful mandalorian wife/slave. Her loyalties layed with who was winning and would keep her alive. Everything else, her family, teachers, friends, and general population came well behind her first and formost priority, survive at any cost regardless of what type of survival it is.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

LOL. Her personality is horrible no matter what!

 

I think few people realise that because they are too busy analysing her physical attributes as opposed to her mental ones. well, i do that too sometimes... but i like Visas better in about every way.

Edited December 2, 2005 by Blank

[CoM_Solaufein]

Bastila. I like every thing about her. Visas is good I like her voice.

[BattleCookiee]

To Kalfear and Blank:

 

First, Visas' capture was very recent. The Republic didn't notice the destruction of Katarr untill you reached far on Telos Citadel Station (and before that you usually have Visas' movie)...

 

Also; even if Bastila might have been a horrible character/Jedi, she was worked out WAY better than Visas. I mean; 5 sentances about totally general things (well, general?) and you were already in love?

Wish it was like that in real life

[Bulgarian Jedi]

Both characters have pros and cons.

The romance processes with both of them are strangly easy and at times not very convincing. Bastila's lines were quite boring and repetative until "Oh, you are great. I love you, blah, blah, blah, kiss me you fool, and again some more blah, blah, blah." Visas has about five dialoge lines you can talk about, and after exploring them all, you suddenly are in love?? At least, a very good thing about K2 is that you have two characters that are available for romancing, no matter your gender, unlike K1,where is either Bastila for male or Carth for female(I doubt many people preferred Juhani as an alternative romance). Anyway, both Bastila and Visas are really great and awful and suck badly at the same time, each in their own way unique way. :D

[Mellypie]

I voted for Visas, just because I think Bastila is childish.

[Blank]

To Kalfear and Blank:

 

First, Visas' capture was very recent. The Republic didn't notice the destruction of Katarr untill you reached far on Telos Citadel Station (and before that you usually have Visas' movie)...

 

Also; even if Bastila might have been a horrible character/Jedi, she was worked out WAY better than Visas. I mean; 5 sentances about totally general things (well, general?) and you were already in love?

Wish it was like that in real life 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hey man, the fact that she won me over with five general lines is a tribute to her character... or my stupidity. but i would like to think it was the former.

 

edit: visas broke the 1/3 of the votes mark

Edited December 3, 2005 by Blank

[Kalfear]

To Kalfear and Blank:

 

First, Visas' capture was very recent. The Republic didn't notice the destruction of Katarr untill you reached far on Telos Citadel Station (and before that you usually have Visas' movie)...

 

Also; even if Bastila might have been a horrible character/Jedi, she was worked out WAY better than Visas. I mean; 5 sentances about totally general things (well, general?) and you were already in love?

Wish it was like that in real life 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Generic?

 

Lets see, when you first meet Visas she speaks about

1) her master (pretty important)

2) Why shes here (pretty important)

3) How she found you (super important)

4) Forshadows that you will meet her master eventually (huge forshadowing)

5) Why she is loyal to you (pretty important)

 

just saying something is "general" doesnt make it so. Visas dialog was definately to compacted by Obsidian (should have been spread out more) but NOTHING she says is just general stuff, everything had relivance to the storyline.

 

Compared to Bastilas first five statements:

1) Berates you saying you didnt save her

2) Berates you for not having a plan in place beyond rescuing her sorry arse

3) Argues about who is leader

4) Whines about Carth berating her for being so obnoxious and egotistical

5) finally admits you saved her in a LESS then convincing voice

 

LOL, (sarcasm) WOW, Bastila did add alot to the storytline after all! ROFL!

 

also not true, you hear of the destruction on Kattar while on Peragus and even then its refered to as a PAST happening, not centuries old but a good year or so. So its not as fresh as you make it out.

 

Remember, K2 happens (if I remember previous Obsidian statements correctly) 5-10 years AFTER K1 ends. So Kattar had to happen and THEN Jedi spread out and set up bases (Kavar says as much, "after Kattar, those of us that survived seperated and agreed to meet back on Dantoine if our enemy exposes himself). That means that Kattar happened and then there was a period of time before these happenings.

 

Also General whats his name (Onderon) joined forces with the unseen sith AFTER Kattar, and thats when his plan went into motion. Or do you think he just put his people under military rule and blockaded the planet from the republic in a day?

 

PS: The fact you can grow s uch an attachment to Visas so quickly is a compliment to Obsidian and their creation of her. A complete character that sparked interest backed up by the storyline.

 

With Bastila, all the claims regarding her are not backed up by the storyline, its just wishful thinking so to speak. How people see her here and how shes actually protrayed are two drastically different ideals.

[Blank]

Remember, K2 happens (if I remember previous Obsidian statements correctly) 5-10 years AFTER K1 ends. So Kattar had to happen and THEN Jedi spread out and set up bases (Kavar says as much, "after Kattar, those of us that survived seperated and agreed to meet back on Dantoine if our enemy exposes himself). That means that Kattar happened and then there was a period of time before these  happenings.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Also, she says in one of her five dialogue paths that her master showed her the surface of the planet devoid of life. and i think that also contributed to what broke her into being a slave to Nihilus.

 

Her story is actually slightly completed when you are on Nihilus' ship and you walk next to her meditation room.

 

edit: i thought everyone got that cutscene, it'd be hard not to, but i might be mistaken...

Edited December 3, 2005 by Blank

[ProgenitorHK47]

Visas. I know many people who are messed up as Visas, also I hate Bastila for her patronizing "Light side good, dark side bad!" attitude, she's not one to talk afterall. Look how easily she fell to the dark side!

[Taran'atar]

Only HER own personal desires, goals, and will to survive at any cost or alligence. Hell, im pretty sure if the Mandalorians had won the war she would have been a dutiful mandalorian wife/slave. Her loyalties layed with who was winning and would keep her alive. Everything else, her family, teachers, friends, and general population came well behind her first and formost priority, survive at any cost regardless of what type of survival it is.

 

If your characterization of Bastila was correct, why did she serve the Republic on the front lines, voluntarily (the Jedi aren't the army after all), and with distinction for two years before the events of the game? The Sith were winning even then. No matter how good she thought she was, she knew she was putting her life on the line with every battle. She did get some recognition from her actions, and maybe scoring points with her Jedi masters, but if your characterization of her was correct, how would a little fame compare with survival? It's not like defecting to the Sith would have been hard. Apparently, even during the war, civillian ships could travel between Republic and Sith worlds (like, for example, Koriban) with ease, and the Republic/Jedi would have no reason to keep her confined or under surveillance.

 

LOL, dig even further into that mind set. Her passive capture by the Vulkars just proves the point. She thought she was alone on Taris so rather then try to escape (which she stated she could have done anytime at all) she accepted the role of captive and slave UNTIL Revan showed up and she realized she wasnt alone. Only then did she fight back against her captures. Again seeing you were going to win so she CHOSE the winning side.

 

She did nothing of the sort. Even Bastila admitted that she probably couldn't have escaped if not for the brawl Revan started at the swoop track. She wasn't accepting her captivity until someone stronger than the Vulkers (which Revan by himself at the time wasn't) came along, she was biding her time until she saw the best opportunity to escape. She was probably right when she said that the Vulkers would have killed Revan if not for her help. It can't be accurately said that she chose the winning side, because the side she chose wasn't the winning one until she chose it.

[Kalfear]

Only HER own personal desires, goals, and will to survive at any cost or alligence. Hell, im pretty sure if the Mandalorians had won the war she would have been a dutiful mandalorian wife/slave. Her loyalties layed with who was winning and would keep her alive. Everything else, her family, teachers, friends, and general population came well behind her first and formost priority, survive at any cost regardless of what type of survival it is.

 

If your characterization of Bastila was correct, why did she serve the Republic on the front lines, voluntarily (the Jedi aren't the army after all), and with distinction for two years before the events of the game? The Sith were winning even then. No matter how good she thought she was, she knew she was putting her life on the line with every battle. She did get some recognition from her actions, and maybe scoring points with her Jedi masters, but if your characterization of her was correct, how would a little fame compare with survival? It's not like defecting to the Sith would have been hard. Apparently, even during the war, civillian ships could travel between Republic and Sith worlds (like, for example, Koriban) with ease, and the Republic/Jedi would have no reason to keep her confined or under surveillance.

 

 

LOL, she didnt serve on frontlines, she stayed behind the scene to use her battle meditation EXCEPT for the assult on Revans ship where they captured Revan.

 

so sorry, she wasnt in the thick of things as you state.

 

Also you misrepresent what I said, what I said was when Bastila is forced into a situation (IE: being captured) thats when her survival instincts kick in and loyalty holds no sway. When faced with join or die choices. She ALWAYS chooses join (or subservant) rather then stand up for her supposive confictions.

 

Visas on other hand, choose to die (well offered it anyways) so Exile could defeat Nimbus. Her loyalties were stronger then her will to continue living. The makings of a REAL hero and ROLE MODEL!

 

MAJOR KEY DIFFERENCE between the two!

 

Wont argue Vulkars with you, go replay game. She FIRST states she could have escaped anytime and then LATER begrudgingly admits she needed help but her original statements were already made! Unlike Visas who is honest with you from the get go and not into childish games.

 

BTW: Still looking for a LEGIT reason for all this Bastila fanism! No ones supported their claim at all yet regarding her popularity.

Edited December 3, 2005 by Kalfear

[DeathScepter]

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